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Originally Posted by kcgreene

In my opinion, Elway has received a lot more credit than he deserves because of 2 things:

1.)Counting stats (Look I have more wins/passing yds/Passing TDs, etc when I played substantially more games)

2.) His "story" in college as well as being part of that 83 draft

Of the 15 Qbs who started at least 80 games in Elway's first 10 years (1983-1992) he ranks 14th of 15 in passer rating, only beating out journeyman Jay Schroeder, and losing out to legends like Jim Everett, Steve Deberg, and Dave Krieg!!! (Not to mention how the truly, uncontested elite are 1-3 in Big Joe, Marino, and Kelly.) Half of your career can't be garbage and you're somehow waived of it. That's not how it works. The good comes with the bad.

The Reeves argument makes absolutely no sense other than a couple of outlier seasons because no dataset anyone has ever been able to find (except for cherry picking the prementioned 2 or 3 outlier seasons of his whole career) and he didn't win a ring out of a very weak AFC until he basically piggybacked on a Vaseline'd greasy ass OLine and Terrell Davis.

In order to be one of the greatest of all time, you need to be one of the top of your era. Elway was never inarguably that guy. Looking back, some will act like he was, but at no point was he inarguably Top 2 or even 3 of his era, rendering him unable to even compete to be in the Top 5 of all time. Not even going to compare him outside of his era.

Also, for those of you who think he was this huge thorn in our side, he was 17-12 against us in those years (8-4 in the 80s, 9-8 when we actually had competent leadership in the 90s). Not ideal sure, but too many people act like he just rocked us constantly when it's nothing like that. He got roughly 3 to every 2 we got, but it was more like 50/50 when we were a competent team and not in the dumpster fire for us that was the 80s.

Also, its great to see some Otto Graham love on this thread. That is a guy that ALWAYS deserves more discussion. Somebody that several don't even know the name, but was simply wrecking his era.

This all checks out. Elways was a lucky fraud