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Originally Posted by Megatron96
DHop averages about 8 tgts/gm. So, don't see why you'd have to force-feed him the ball. He allows Andy to dictate terms to the defense in ways he couldn't this season. And his cap hit can be structured.
This isn't realistic. Depending solely on the draft to develop high echelon players is what NE did. They produced no quality offensive players in that time. Now, I believe Andy/Veach can do better, but opting to ignore perfectly good, reasonably pirced offensive talent just because we didn't draft them is not very intelligent.
Here's the thing, and this is all I'm really doing here, because I've already said multiple times that I don't think DHop will be a Chief.
The thread title is "Do we WANT DHop?" I think the answer should be yes, no question. The value of his performance on the field is obvious, or should be. He's a prototypical WCO WR. He's exactly what Bill Walsh would've wanted, period. Next, he would take some of the pressure off Kelce to be Superman in every big game. thirdly, he'd get open early and Mahomes wouldn't have to run so much. Fourth, he could be a great influence on our young WR room.
Now, you want to bring up the cap hit, which has legs (and is the number one reason I don't think he's going to be a Chief), and for some reason how it would force Pat to throw umpteen hundred balls at him, and mess up the offense. This is just speculation, especially the second part. You also want to have blind faith that we'll just draft and develop enough top-tier WR talent through the draft for the next two or three seasons, in spite of the fact that we're drawing from the bottom of the pile, and will be for the foreseeable future. That's not a great recipe for success. It's not impossible, but the odds aren't stacked in our favor by any means.
And it strikes me as odd that you think Veach will just eternally pull rabbits out of his ass every year. Probability doesn't exactly support the notion, for any GM in history. Veach has done extremely well over the last two drafts, but it's a safer bet to believe that the math will catch up to him eventually and he won't draft quite so many solid players each and every year. Some years he'll do better than others. That's just the cold math of it.
Anyway, my function here is to build DHop's value through facts with as little speculation as possible, in response to the OP, in order to carry on the conversation. Your job (and others) is to diminish his value, I guess.
And why am I playing DA?
Because it's going to be a long offseason. I need something to amuse myself other than Jackson Mahomes doing stupid shit, et al.
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I don't think you are paying any attention at all to the fact that we already won a SB, setting a record with a QB or any other single player taking up over 13% of the cap-and Mahomes was 17%. Nobody else has ever done that. And next year it goes up to 23%. Not only can we not go on a spending spree, we're going to have to be pretty thrifty to keep the guys we've got and developed as they come up for extensions.
If we traded for Hopkins, and gave the expected new deal, you've got like a fourth of your ENTIRE CAP tied up in two guys. That's madness, especially considering you just won a SB with the #1 offense in football with a WR corps consisting of good but not great WR's.
It's not good cap value. Hopkins is a good player, no doubt, but not worth the percentage of our cap that we'd have to pay to have him, and it's not smart to do a multi-year deal and backload it because he's already over 30. This is not the way.
We may well sign a Paris Campbell type. We'll almost certainly bring back Watson. I'd just about bet the farm that Hardman will come back on a one year deal to try to improve his stock in '24 since he missed half of the season. You've already got MVS under contract. And you've got Toney, and Skyy.
But mostly, yeah, for the next couple of seasons, we'd be wise to lean heavily on the draft. In '25, Mahomes starts to be less of the cap, and then we can start taking some bigger swings.
Now, I'm not expecting 6 or 7 studs from every draft, but there's no reason to think Veach is suddenly going to start striking out when it appears he's just got into a lockstep with the coaching staff.
Brett Veach said recently that due to financial reasons, we'd be leaning on the draft. Because, yeah, duh, it's obvious when you're paying an elite QB elite QB money. Andy Reid said that Toney and Moore would be taking bigger roles next season.
So you guys can ignore the financial truths, you can ignore how bad of an investment it historically is to pay top market money to over 30 players in the NFL, and you can ignore what your GM and coach are literally telling you in interviews if you want to. You can ignore the last two years of team building, and you can ignore that signing a guy like Hopkins means UNDOING a chunk of what you've built to be able to afford it.
But this is dumb. Really dumb, it's not going to happen, and it's like arguing with children who want to have their cake and eat it too.