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Originally Posted by Chris Meck
who said anything about that?
I said 'on a trajectory', as in they are playing in such a way as to end up hall of famers. And that's not a stretch to say.
Now, if you guys want to go full reerun and say hall of famers aren't elite, then that's your business, and you guys have fun arguing utter horseshit, but I'll just bow on out and you can have your fantasy world arguments.
And sometimes guys are 'elite' for a season, like Matt Ryan, but unable to sustain that. Sometimes guys get injured and all off, or age out, and are no longer elite, etc.
But for the last couple of seasons, there is no question that Mahomes, Burrow, and Allen have been pretty ****ing elite and to argue against that is just nonsense.
Allen played hurt, and Hurts is hurt now, but both when 100% were favorites to win MVP. Now, Hurts was elite most of one season; If he can repeat that another year or two, then you can add him into that top 5 'elite' class.
You guys are so blinded by Mahomes that you can't acknowledge greatness in others. These guys are absolutely elite, and sometimes they're going to beat us, Mahomes or no. They're great. Allen has. Burrow has. It's a fact.
I wouldn't trade our guy for anyone, but there are other guys that are also great.
This is a stupid argument and I'm out.
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I agree that Burrow is elite. Strange thing is his QBR grade has been lower than expected to be honest. I think QBR is more accurate than passer rating, since QBR accounts for passing, rushing, clutch plays, etc. These are the QBR rankings for the main 3 guys:
Mahomes: #1 in 2018 & 2022, #2 in 2019 & 2020, #5 in 2021
Allen: #2 in 2022, #3 in 2020, #6 in 2021, #24 in 2018 & 2019
Burrow: #10 in 2022, #12 in 2021, #24 in 2020
Even a "bad" year for Mahomes was Top 5, which is pretty amazing. Now if we want to remove the rushing element and focus only on passing aspect of QBR, here's what it looks like:
Mahomes: #1 in 2018, 2019, 2020, & 2022. #5 in 2021
Allen: #2 in 2020, #6 in 2022, #7 in 2021, #24 in 2019, #31 in 2018
Burrow: #9 in 2022, #11 in 2021, #21 in 2020
Allen's improvement from 2019 to 2020 is pretty incredible, gotta give him some big props for that. That was also the year they added Stefon Diggs, which helped quite a bit.