Found the Gilroy Interview
https://www.theringer.com/2022/9/21/...en-waiting-for
Apparently they did another one with him after E10. I haven't listened to it yet. But I will. You and I should listen because it is interesting. Everybody in the industry should listen because they can learn shit. He's very good at what he does.
https://www.theringer.com/2022/11/9/...dor-episode-10