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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut
I do keep coming back to DeSean Jackson.
Jackson was a monster in space. It feels like a lazy comparison due to the Andy Reid connection, but I can't come up with anyone else better.
Here's my biggest worry - by FAR. This passing game is hugely dependent on timing. And Toney does some weird shit in his routes. He cuts off the wrong leg. He throws in a dead leg or some weird hesi step to get DBs off balance. He does one extra juke than seems necessary.
I don't know how a QB can possibly throw to a spot with him because there's seemingly no consistency to when or how he throws those moves in there.
I can't figure out how him and Mahomes can get their timing synched up. So I think for pretty much this entire season, he'll need to be a guy who's schemed into space as a 3rd read when a play breaks down, someone who has designed quick hitters and someone who acts as a decoy.
I just don't think there's a chance we get him dialed into the timing of this offense on the fly. He's just so different in how he moves out there.
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Let me start by saying I agree with all of this.
However, a point of order: Kelce also does a lot of extra stuff running routes, and often times doesn't even run the route as scripted, and yet is the most successful TE in NFL history (a little hyperbolic, but whatever you guys get it).
And the key with Pat to Kelce is that Travis gets open on the route exactly when he needs to be open, so I THINK that Toney can do the same thing. Not saying they necessarily want Toney running ad lib routes, just that he can get open at the right time during the route, if that makes sense.
And Toney was able to get on the same page as Daniel Jones, fcs. I think Pat can figure Toney out if Danny Dimes could for a couple games.
And there have been a lot of receives that did odd things running routes that became wildly successful with lesser QBs getting them the ball. Steve Largent, Edelman, Renfrow, etc.
So maybe not this year, but eventually Patrick and Toney will get sorted out.