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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe
Hill and Kelce being elite has significantly more to do with who their QB is than how good they are. Put them on the 2021 Broncos and they'd struggle to get 1,000 yards and 5 TD's. Put them with Mahomes and they're among the best, most productive players at their position. I'm not knocking them, it's just the truth.
Hill went from 1,100 yards and 7 TD's to 1,400 yards and 12 TD's from 2017 to 2018 not because he got better, but his QB did.
Kelce went from 1,000 yards and 8 TD's to 1,300 yards and 10 TD's because of his QB. Not because he was any better.
There are a TON of awesome WR's/TE's out there who are just as good as some "name" guys, but they don't have a QB who can get them the ball.
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Yeah.
A ****ing TE "only" got his team 1000 yards and 8 TDs.
A ****ing college RB/kick returner in his 2nd year in the league "only" got his team 1100 yards and 7 TDs in spite of learning the position just the prior season.
Those two turds "only" did that level of production with a game manager at QB.
Meanwhile, in three seasons, Noah Fant's best year was 670 yards and 4 TDs. Give Tyreek Hill's two seasons to a player like Jerry Jeudy who's been playing WR ever since high school and the best he can come up with is 856 yards and 3 TDs in his rookie season. The best that KJ "Tyreek Hill minus the off-the-field reputation" Hamler can do is 381 yards and 3 TDs.
In order for these players to live up to your lofty image of them, they're not looking at just a bump of a couple hundred yards and a TD or two that Hill and Kelce got from Mahomes-- they would each need ****ing miracle breakout seasons. You think Jeudy can be a legit #1 WR if he just has a QB? Well, he's going to need 500+ yards and any number of TDs more than 0. You think Fant can be in the same realm as Kelce and Andrews and even Waller? He needs at least 4 TDs and 400 yards just to match Kelce's "shitty" last year with Alex.
Like I said before, the Broncos offense is basically the 2011 Chiefs. Fans get encouraged by players like Tony Moeaki and Jonathan Baldwin-- guys who either show flashes or have expectations of being great because of where they went in the draft. Chiefs fans also had Steve Breaston to get excited about, and hell, you add that to established and productive guys like Jamaal Charles and Dwayne Bowe, and the Chiefs could really be something if they just had a real QB!
The only difference is that the 2011 Chiefs had guys on the roster with playoff experience and knew what it was like to do things like win a division and not lose 13 straight games to a single division opponent. Nobody on your team except your ****ing kicker knows what that's like.