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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut
That's the thing - 5 years ago I'd have been right there alongside Wallcrawler with this argument. But then I saw guys, DBs especially, coming off the field with NOTHING left in the tank. And DEs tapping their helmets during drives where it was all passes because the drives upfield were sapping their legs.
So I studied. I looked into the research on it. And man this stuff is getting to the point of damn near unassailable - again, at least over large numbers. Then you saw the apex of the philosophy in some of those games last year when the offense was not only exhausting guys that week, but running them so ragged that the teams they were playing were suffering hangover effects the following week.
I ain't new to this game, this isn't an opinion I came into this world fully formed with. It's a product of seeing stuff on the field that made me take pause and investigate. And when you're willing to explore this stuff with an open mind you realize that so much of the stuff we've believed to be true for decades simply doesn't stand up to scrutiny. Then you start really listening to former players and they say some of the same things.
Bottom line is that there's no sense in arguing with people in the internet age. "Perry Mason Moments" where some dude confesses the error of his ways and breaks down just don't happen w/ the veil of anonymity the internet allows. When you engage in these debates, it's not for the benefit of the opponent, but rather for the benefit of other readers who may be reading this with an open mind.
Wallcrawler wishes to remain militantly ignorant. So be it - there's no law against it. If he wants to call anyone who shares a pretty informed contrary opinion to his a dipshit, well more power to him. Enjoy your flat earth, Chief. This limpwrist character has brought effectively nothing with him to the discussion apart from quoting headlines and pining for Martyball. I'm pretty sure he's a dupe account and if he's not, he's largely irrelevant as I have no independent recollection of him anyway. Glorydaze wants to sit in the peanut gallery and thumb-down posts while not adding any counter-points of his own.
These aren't your target audience. The knuckle dragger, the troll and the peanut gallery will not be swayed, no matter how hard you try.
But someone else might. Ultimately reading discussions similar to this is how I slowly came to change my mind on a lot of stuff like this. That and the fact that I have the intellectual curiosity to bother to inform myself.
Others don't. But that's their cross to bear and not mine.
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First, I never quoted any headline - I think you have me confused with Jimmya. I just jumped into this because people were glossing over Reid's well-documented flaws. I'm not one of the people just shitting all over andy. My position is that he's a great coach but with some very concerning flaws. So i'm not just trying to be a contrarian troll - i can find some common ground with what most people are saying.
Second, I'm not pining for Martyball. I brought up Marty b/c I believe he was also a great coach with deeply concerning flaws that proved to be fatal to winning a super bowl. I agreed with ChiefsFanatic's point about how we can all admit Marty's flaws yet some people are glossing over Reid's (one poster is even trying to rewrite history to erase them). Since I believe that Marty's flaws were fatal to winning a super bowl, why would that be something I would pine for? Notice I never agreed with the point about wearing out a defense with the running game - i actually agree with Chris Meck that it is the snap count and keeping the D on the field that matters more.
Finally, I'm not a dupe account. You don't have a recollection of me b/c I'm a fairly new poster. I've been a lurker since 2011/2012 and before that I was a poster on Wild Bill's Chiefs since 1999 and then some on Chiefs Coalition. I just joined the fray to have solid conversations about football, but I hesitated doing this for many years b/c I was worried about getting dragged into stupid petty sidetrack arguments and name-calling, which has predictably occurred. And that's fine - i knew what i was getting into (instead of responding logically, I should have just responded by calling my critics butt****ing morons). For the record, it was the ball-powdering thread that won me over to chiefsplanet - that and I've seen how people here rally to help each other when in need and how most people here are actually good people despite being butt****ing morons on the internet.