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Direckshun 11-19-2024 02:06 PM

Breaking down the "pressures" film.
 
(I think this justifies its own thread -- it not, mods can combine them.)

In another thread, this was posted:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here are the cutups of the plays where Patrick Mahomes was listed as pressured. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ChiefsKingdom?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ChiefsKingdom</a> <a href="https://t.co/nmJWOrom9T">pic.twitter.com/nmJWOrom9T</a></p>&mdash; Nick Jacobs (@Jacobs71) <a href="https://twitter.com/Jacobs71/status/1858711424446484932?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 19, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Okay, watching the entirety of the tape, here's what happens and who I blame each play.

Spoiler!


Conclusions:

There are 13 plays here, but one of them is not a pressure, so there's 12 plays.

Mahomes either has the primary or secondary blame on exactly half of them. It is mostly him not hanging in the pocket when he could have -- once was for an absurd 11 yard dropback that his OL was not ready to protect against.

In the other thread, there was much ballyhooing about Trey Smith -- this seems justified. Smith was the primary or secondary blame-ee on five of the plays.

Not enough was made of this in the other thread, but the receivers share plenty of blame in this. Five of the plays became pressures because the WRs could not get open.

Anything involving bad play design I just put on Matt Nagy, for simplicity's sake. Nagy had a few boneheaded decisions, a couple times dialing up slow-development plays when the Bills are putting tons of heat on Mahomes, and a couple times dialing up weird protection schemes.

Steele made such a catastrophic error on one play, he may not even get a snap against Carolina.

Here's a surprise: Wanya Morris contributed to some of these issues in a secondary way, but not once in those 13 snaps did I view him as the primary reason the play collapsed. Not once!

KCUnited 11-19-2024 02:09 PM

We’re having the “this guy doesn’t belong on an NFL roster”, “ these lineman have Regressed!” and “what’s wrong with Pat?!” conversations at the same time

I know it’s cold out most places but maybe touch some grass this week, folks

dlphg9 11-19-2024 02:12 PM

I keep saying it. Wanya Morris is not the ****ing problem. It just keeps getting said and people don't like him because of last year against the Raiders.

Morris is a perfectly capable LT if the other guys can do there jobs better.

Sassy Squatch 11-19-2024 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 17815074)
I keep saying it. Wanya Morris is not the ****ing problem. It just keeps getting said and people don't like him because of last year against the Raiders.

Morris is a perfectly capable LT if the other guys can do there jobs better.

Keep saying it if you want. Still on pace to be a bottom tier OT in pressures given up.

Bl00dyBizkitz 11-19-2024 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 17815064)
We’re having the “this guy doesn’t belong on an NFL roster”, “ these lineman have Regressed!” and “what’s wrong with Pat?!” conversations at the same time

I know it’s cold out most places but maybe touch some grass this week, folks

1. Mahomes is having his 2nd straight "meh" year when we're used to him being our Football Jesus Christ.
2. The year of the potential three-peat.

Those are the two things unique to this season that I think has us flipping the **** out over issues I think most every other team in the league is also dealing with.

KCUnited 11-19-2024 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz (Post 17815098)
1. Mahomes is having his 2nd straight "meh" year when we're used to him being our Football Jesus Christ.
2. The year of the potential three-peat.

Those are the two things unique to this season that I think has us flipping the **** out over issues I think most every other team in the league is also dealing with.

Agree

The crown weighs heavy

htismaqe 11-19-2024 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 17815078)
Keep saying it if you want. Still on pace to be a bottom tier OT in pressures given up.

He's also not wanting a record setting contract. Trey Smith is a huge problem right now.

Tonka83 11-19-2024 02:37 PM

Good breakdown of those plays op. The thing that stands out for me after watching that video, is Kelce. (or lack thereof)
On the plays where he was on the field, he usually had only one guy covering him, was still blanketed, and looked slow. Not having the Kelce of old who always found away to get open, isn't helping Patrick deal with the pressure situations either. I hope I'm wrong, but that really seems to be becoming an issue.

DJ's left nut 11-19-2024 03:33 PM

Part of the issue is that the Bills complementary rush is just WAY better than ours.

If Jones doesn't get home, the rush doesn't do much.

But watch those plays, they have 2 and often 3 guys winning a rep on any given play. The entire line is often giving ground. Smith was a significant culprit, sometimes it was Tylor, more often it was Morris. Sometimes it was communication. Sometimes it was blitz pickup.

There's a play that isn't in here -- the Worthy deep ball. For some bizarre ****ing reason, Creed hits the guy in the A gap then releases to swing out and pick up the DE while Taylor crashes inside to try to execute a reach block on the DT that Creed passes off. It wasn't a stunt or anything, just movement for movement's sake and it made ZERO sense at all. Just have Taylor take the DE and Creed take the DT and that's an easy pitch and catch.

But the bottom line is that the Bills DL just flatly outplayed our OL across the board. Call it effort or desire if you want, but those guys played their asses off.

Ours didn't. Their OL held up. And the instant our guys got sloppy in their rush lanes, Allen took off and made us pay with his legs.

We just got waxed in the trenches.

TheGuardian 11-19-2024 05:05 PM

There's a bunch of plays in there where Ed Oliver just owns Trey. I mean badly.

Rewatching this Trey was a big time issue in this game. He absolutely got worked on a lot of these plays

Chiefspants 11-19-2024 05:13 PM

Are we looking at Mahomes being the root cause? Andy Heck? Total system failure? Did the NFL call it in for us to take the fall?

I was working on my “The Uncomfortable Reality of a Fading Patrick Mahomes” thread but now I’m not sure where to direct my rage.

TheGuardian 11-19-2024 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 17815375)
Are we looking at Mahomes being the root cause? Andy Heck? Total system failure? Did the NFL call it in for us to take the fall?

I was working on my “The Uncomfortable Reality of a Fading Patrick Mahomes” thread but now I’m not sure where to direct my rage.

IT looks like both.

Pat breaks several clean pockets when he doesn't need to. Other times it's def the line.

But even times when Morris was fine the interior got shredded.

duncan_idaho 11-19-2024 06:02 PM

I think Smith generally has some problems with Ed Oliver.

Not sure what it is, but Oliver is a small/quick interior DT. I think sometimes those quick dudes really give Trey fits.

KCUnited 11-19-2024 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefspants (Post 17815375)
Are we looking at Mahomes being the root cause? Andy Heck? Total system failure? Did the NFL call it in for us to take the fall?

I was working on my “The Uncomfortable Reality of a Fading Patrick Mahomes” thread but now I’m not sure where to direct my rage.

All these problems across the board on offense but it seems to be on the individuals and not the...uh nevermind

TheGuardian 11-19-2024 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17815470)
I think Smith generally has some problems with Ed Oliver.

Not sure what it is, but Oliver is a small/quick interior DT. I think sometimes those quick dudes really give Trey fits.

Vae wrecked him too tho


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