What part of the OL are you more confident in?
 

Thought this was an interesting debate. What are you more confident in?

Poll incoming

Good question, good poll.

Do we know that Kingsley at guard is for sure the plan? Seems everybody has assumed that but can't remember if it was something anybody from the Chiefs actually communicated.

I have little confidence in Saumataia.

Where's the Gaz option, or, none of the above. :arrow:

The sample size of Moore starting and playing LT is bigger than Kingsley playing LG.

Lots of faith being put in how Kingsley looked playing guard in the Week 18 Denver game and in practice.

I think I’m gonna take Kingsley for multiple reasons:

-LT is way harder than LG
-Moore has to play an 2 All-Pro edge rushers (Bonitto/Crosby) and Mack in 6 divisional games
-Don’t trust Jaylon Moore’s foot speed or arm length completely

Also keep in mind that when Kingsley struggled it was from the outside through leverage and hand technique. His foot speed wasn’t good enough. Against power and slower rushers he was fine much. Playing in the box takes away his biggest weakness IMO. Kid also looked really good against an elite interior rusher (Zach Allen) giving up only 1 pressure.

We saw a young raw player with all the traits succeed at G before with this staff. LDT is very similar to Kingsley IMO

I have confidence in Moore and that Veach solved the LT issue at least for the 2025 season, I think we are mathematically by chance due for one of these LT's to finally work out

Honestly, probably guard

Until I see a reason to feel otherwise, the only position on the OL I have confidence in is C.

Jaylon Moore is more proven.

Guard is an easier position. We had lots of success in 2018-2020 when the interior O-line wasn't that great. We all saw what problems at tackle can become during the Super Bowl.

Moore is more proven but he's got a harder role to fill.

Caliendo confirmed that you can still be a liability at guard.

No, he confirmed that you can still be a DISASTER at guard.

Both Super Bowl losses...

Kingsley is going to be fine at guard. He's not likely going to be Trey or Thuney; but I'd bet he's better than average at the position.

Caliendo was a really poor choice to be on this roster. He isn’t really athletic, his arms are super short being just under 31 inches and he wasn’t very strong.

Compare that to Kingsley who is 25 lbs heavier, arms are over 3 inches longer, is super athletic and benched 31 reps of 225.

The Denver game against Zach Allen was Kingsley’s first ever game playing G and he did a nice job, likely in large part to his physical traits.

Yeah.

Maybe we should just draft a guy with the measurables every year until we have a line five across of superior, athletic, long armed monsters.

Not kidding, really.

It’s easier to believe in Moore bc we haven’t seen him play for us yet I think.

I hate to say I don’t believe in Kingsly after just a couple of games.

Hoping both develop into positive players for us!

I have no real reason to be confident in either. It's all a mystery, hope it works out

not sure what the plan for lt is. Moore is here for two years I guess we could draft one next year

My thoughts are that we can never sign a big name at left tackle so we gotta end up drafting and developing

Wasnt wild about resigning Caliendo at 3.26m even as depth. Hope I'm wrong and he proves his keep.

Caliendo makes like 1M. I agree he's a nothing burger, but we are not paying him 3M to hopefully sit on the bench.

If we don't draft OT, then we're basically trusting Moore to get the job done. It also presents some depth concerns because we know that what we had last year wasn't working. Additionally, if OTs have to be developed unless you're picking near the top, doesn't that dictate that we need to draft an OT to develop while we have Moore? I can't speak about who we ought to take and where we should take him, but it sure seems like a position we need to prioritize even if that only means getting someone to develop.

I'm pretty confident that Moore will be better than any of the LTs of the last few years.

I am confident Moore will be better but I would still take a swing at LT in the draft if you find someone you like. We really are set at every position except maybe safety.

We should also remember that we're not exactly golden at RT. Any OT we draft is, at a minimum, depth at both LT and RT and possibly a replacement for either.

I am abundantly confident that both will be fine.

I agree but at RT its a money commitment issue. We have Taylor on a contract that is LT money playing RT and for two more years.

That contract is really something. Did Veach think Taylor would transition to LT when that deal was made?

Yes, yes he did

The part I have the LEAST amount of faith in is, Andy ****ing Heck!

Taylor thing was odd. We gave him money of a 100% sure thing. And he has penalty issues. Weird scouting job - which causes me hesitation with current ot scouting

We were desperate.

We tried to give OBJ a very fair offer. He just wouldn't accept it.

Supply and demand. Very short supply and extremely high demand

We needed a dude, badly.

He's what was available.

It's easy in hindsight to say we overpaid, and he's not been great-but we needed to fill that spot with a proven NFL player. He was the best we could get at the time.

Overpaying isn't the bad part. You have to overpay to sign a free agent. That's just how it works. They have all the leverage.

Overpaying AND him having a ton of penalty issues and playing a style of football that puts a ton of pressure on the All pro guard that plays next to him means the deal wasn't worth it. It's the money, and the penalties, and at best he's a passable player.

:clap: Nailed it!

Yes, and this shows what a hole we can put ourselves in when we aren't developing talent at a highly paid position. We have issues at both LT and RT and those guys get top dollar in the free agent market, so we need to be developing Tackles all the time. It reminds me of the way the Chiefs failed to develop QBs and were constantly getting them from the 49ers.

I am not confident on either of them. I don't think Kingsley will be the starting G next year, its quite possible they keep Caliendo, at least for the first few games of the season, Reid and Co. love continuity. And I am not confident that Moore won't get exposed outside of the San Fran schemes and also given his lateral mobility, will have a hard time with the wide arcs he will need to protect given Mahome's higher than usual drop backs.

Gun to head choice, I would go with KS being a decent guard by game 5 or 6, much easier position to play than LT.

And AGAIN, that is the price we pay for drafting #30 or later for half a decade.

Going to the conference championship game or Super Bowl every year for 6 or 7 years in a row makes it harder every year to get there again.

Quality offensive tackles are really difficult to find, and near impossible when you are in the draft position we are every year.

Don't know about the San Francisco "schemes" but they definitely have a bigger threat in the run game than KC. Our offense is predictable enough where opposing defenses know we're passing. That puts a bigger strain on the tackles without the danger of a running game. It will be interesting to see how Moore pans out.

Also, what is Humphries' official status? Is he on the team next year?

Again, I agree with you, but this is also a first world problem. There is no "fix" for our draft position other than losing and none of us want that. So, we just have to adapt as well as we can. Off the top of my head, that yields just 3 choices.

1) Draft and develop Tackles

2) Trade for them

3) Acquire them in free agency

We drafted Kingsley and he didn't develop like we hoped. We traded for Orlando Brown, and that was only moderately successful, but he bolted for Cincinnati at first opportunity. We signed a couple others out of free agency and none of us are all that happy with the results.

Clearly, we'll approach the problem with whatever is necessary, but good Tackles are very expensive in free agency and passable ones are expensive too. Drafting good Tackles is difficult when you pick last, or near last, but they are much cheaper that way. Finally, trading for a good Tackle can be very expensive too.

That's life in the big city. Vereach doesn't have the Midas touch with everything, but he's done a fantastic job overall. We sure as hell can't complain (much) about the results he has given us.

This is just the way it is. None of the choices is great, but ignoring the problem only makes it worse. You pick your poison here and live with the consequences.

We drafted Kingsley and gave up on him after a couple of games.

That's not good.

Nope, but they clearly have plans to deal with the situation and it's not a good idea to abandon the idea of drafting a Tackle just because it didn't work out last time.

I’m surprised by the answers - kc has had good luck with the plug and play guards. But almost no luck with tackles (we had diff gm when we had our good tackles)

Except that I don't think that's true.

You don't draft a raw prospect with all of the traits and give up after like 3 games.

If you DO, then you should not be in charge of drafting NFL players.

Center.

Taylor and Trey are overpaid.

LG is a black box.

Moore is a projection based on limited PT.

I don't think they've given up on Kingsley. There might be a lot of debate as to exactly how to proceed with him, but I'm sure they haven't given up. OTOH, We just spent a lot of money on OT in free agency that appears to relegate Kingsley to either backup OT, or possibly to start at LG.

We have issues with both OTs and we just bought a 2 year mercenary to bridge the gap for us at LT. Taylor's contract is up after this year and I'm pretty sure he won't get another without a massive pay cut, so between his expiring contract and Moore's 2-year deal, we're going to be needing OTs. Even if they only work out to be backups, we need those too because the ones we have aren't cutting the mustard.

Or is competition. He's not getting paid a ton, and it's not a long term deal. Unlike everyone else on CP, I see playing Kingsley some at OG as getting him used to NFL game speed and strength/contact but not a white flag on him as an OT.

Jaylon Moore will literally decide our season. If he plays even decent ball like we got with Donovan Smith then we’ll be the best team in the league. If he struggles like Wanya and Kingsley then well won’t win the SB.

I hope this guy is at least decent.

TBH, I don't think we win that SB even with great LT and LG play. The game wasn't close enough to pin the entire loss on one position. The Eagles were just loaded, had a better gameplan, and were more motivated and hungry. The game would have been closer of course with more competent line play.

We're a contender regardless of LT, but yes, a solid LT makes the Chiefs less prone to falling apart when it counts.