How are we feeling about our O-Line?
 

A big focus this off season was to fix the O-line. How are you feeling going into this season with this line? .

LT - Jaylon Moore
LG - Kingsley Suamataia
C - Creed Humphrey
RG - Trey Smith
RT - Jawaan Taylor

could be better, could be worse. a lot depends on how you think moore will do. chiefs are clearly projecting him to take a step forward. if he does, we’ll be in pretty good shape

Cautiously optimistic.

Looking for the horney option on the poll

Add to that Kingsley being next to him. That whole left side is still concerning.

Oh, and big concern that Heck is still the OL Coach.

The first step is to make it work and we can do that. This is a worst case scenario. I expect we will stay hungry in the draft and free agency. Creed is the only guy we’re committed to long term. Keep in mind that last time we did an overhaul we signed guys like thuney and Blythe only to draft creed/trey then trade for obj much later. Jawaan and to some extent Moore are movable next year. Trey is still on franchise tag and Kingsley is an unknown. So we can pretty much fire away at both guard and OT and see which one sticks the best.

All we need is solid play and I don't see any reason we can't get at least that from them.

I’m glad we didn’t throw a huge contract at Dan Moore.

I understand being concerned with Kingsley, but Veach trading Thuney should make you feel more confident in him. What would it say about him if Veach felt the need to pay big money to all three IOL?

Good points.

The entire left side is a question mark right now.

That's true. BUT, my biggest concern last year going into the season was our Left Tackle position. And I bought into the line of thinking that Kingsley must have shown Veach and the coaching staff "something" for them to start a raw rookie at LT. So, I have a concerned, wait and see approach, based on recent past experience.

Huge question mark but given the constraints I’m not sure we could have done much better without overspending or harming other parts of the team.

Yes, that's the dilemma that we're going to face just about every year in some aspect.

Too early to tell.....

I'd feel alot better about it if Trey Smith signed a long-term deal or got traded, one or the other. That 23.4m hanging over our heads right now is impactful in terms of adding another upper-tier FA. It sure would be nice to get in on a pass rusher.

As for the current talent, I think it's better than where we were sitting last year at this time.

Scary times!

Yes, Moore is a stop gap right now, but with further development, could be OK. Really need to get Smith taken care of (as kccrow has already said). I would like more FA wise.

Want Mahomes to look like he is comfortable in the pocket again and no more happy feet. As he ages his mobility is going to go down and injury risk will also go up. We need him to get a lot more comfortable in the pocket and make plays from there as his career enters the third act (he is still in the 2nd act of his career). I wish we had Jaylon Moore in the Superbowl and Thuney at LG I wonder how the game would have gone but whatever. I am excited about Moore he seems to have substantial upside and he learned from the master LT in SF.

Seems about best he could within reason. An LT that we feel pretty good about was 90% of what needed to happen. Hate losing Thuney, but that's a move that looks pretty obvious from an age and cap perspective. If I have a gripe, it's tagging Trey Smith. But even that is at least good for the O-line and gives continuity on the right side while we figure out the left.

It’s still a work in progress. If the right tackle falls to 31 I’m still not ruling that out.

I personally think Wanya is a better fit at guard than Kingsley. And I would give Kingsley one more year to work at tackle. He obviously has potential there. Plenty of franchise LT’s have struggled mightily their rookie year. Kingsley just had a super short leash given our team goals.

Still alot of questions on the left side with Moore and Kingsley but if they play up to their potential this will be a very good line

Fair, but the Chiefs also didn’t trade away an All Pro LT for cap space to start Kingsley at LT. They did that for him to start at LG.

This is the ultimate example of we won’t know until the bullets start flying.

If Jaylon Brown turns out to be steady and Kingsley slides into LG adequately then it’s a home run.

If not, then we’re right back where we started and you’d have to call it a failure.

I know that’s a cop out answer but that’s kind of what you’re faced with when the tackle you signed is a relative unknown and not an established player.

Same CP mouth breathers would bitch no matter what they did

They're paying out big contracts elsewhere, they win alot, and draft low.

It's just the way you're gonna have to build at some spots.

Lot of question marks because its March but cum August they'll be reminding me of the 90s Cowboys oline

Well, the entire season hinges on two unproven projects protecting the blind side of the best QB ever. So, safe to say I’ve been more confident. The ceiling is higher than it’s been in years, but the floor might be rough, too. It’s going to be interesting.

This a Skky Moore/Toney situation all over again. All their eggs are in Kingsley and Moore’s baskets. Good luck kids, go do it.

It appears it could be serviceable for 2025 but nothing really settled beyond.

We know Humphrey will be the center long-term but everything else becomes a question mark after this season.

Will Taylor and Smith be here in 2026?
Is Moore a long-term answer?
Will Suamataia remain at guard?
What are we doing with Morris and Nourzad?

Just a lot of questions going forward.

This is what you get when you draft and develop guys.

It isn’t like last years question mark where we totally rolled the dice. We know what we have in Moore / caliendo at worst with upside if Kingsley is even better. That is most certainly better than Wanya and caliendo. Probably even better than Wanya/thuney because Wanya was that bad.

So at least as a starting point we are competent. The work now goes into making it better to much better.

As of now, yes. But we still have the rest of free agency (though an other OL move is unlikely) and the draft.

Caliendo is not even a worst case option… he’s a no option (see the Super Bowl).

And all the optimistic projection for Kingsley at LG is similar to the optimism for him at LT during training camp last year.

Signing a veteran LG as a back-up option in case Kingsley is not the answer at LG is imperative.

Nah as one of the lead critics of that ****ed up wr situation it isn’t the same to me. We know exactly what we have in Moore and caliendo and they’re both playing in position. Many of us knew it was hell of a reach to believe Toney or skyy could ever step up to a full time x/y role. These guys may not be world beaters but at worst they’re competent enough.

The entire OL was a mess during the Super Bowl for a lot of reasons. As a worst case scenario we could do a lot worse and I suspect he’ll be at least a little better when lined up next to a halfway decent LT.

But i don’t think that will even be an issue because I think between Wanya and Kingsley and the draft we will have plenty to choose from that will end up winning the job

Similar, but the risk isn’t near the same.

LG is nowhere near as important as LT.

Better than I was 4 weeks ago.

Who's gonna be the swing T?

I have no idea other than drafting 29-32 for seven years makes things a bit difficult. Given how much the cap is invested in other players, some shortcuts have to be taken. LT just seems like an odd choice for a shortcut. It's not supposed to be easy to pay everyone. Just please do something to help Patrick, if this is it, then fine. I'm just uneasy dealing with the 49ers because of past trades (which mean nothing today however feelings aren't rational).

Humphries or Wanya?

I'd like to see them sign Jedrick Wills too. Then I'd feel great about this OL.

My God! I hope things work out better for us than it did for them!

I feel better, and I feel the floor is higher. I'm not as convinced by Kingsley as most, but I kinda feel we get average from, if not him, then Morris or Nourzad at LG.

Saw Matt Lane wetting his knickers about Moore not being a great fit. Meh, sure, there's a non-zero chance he also sucks, but he absolutely is better than what we had, and he should give us more in the running game. I think that's more important than we might expect.

I guess ideally I'd have kept Thuney over Smith, even at his age, but I get it. I'd also ideally like an upgrade over Morris as swing/backup. Even DJ coming back, though I'm not sure that's now likely.

We should be better, possibly inching back to average on that left side. Would love Mahomes to have elite OTs, but it is what it is, I think that's all we need to be.

Trading Thuney got us the cap room to tag Smith and sign Bolton. Plus Veach has does wonders with our defense with those 4th round picks.

If you think we're going to have zero question marks in March, you're not being realistic.

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Whole left side is uncertain. JUST LIKE LAST SEASON.

The left side wasn't uncertain last year - just Tackle.

The more relevant question now is do you trust Andy Heck to coach up and get the most out of Moore, Kingsley at LG, etc.?

Are they changing how the tackles block this year?

I just read some blogger trash saying that since Seattle traded DK that Cross might be available for trade. Lol. That would be nice, but I don't see them trading away a young cornerstone tackle like that. SMH.

I think they have raised the floor at LT and obviously taking a step back at LG. Even if Suamataia is good at LG, you’re replacing an all-pro, hall of fame guy there.

Moore looks to me like a guy you can deploy and know he has the same types of flaws as Orlando Brown. He’s susceptible to outside speed rushes, but he is NOT a player who is going to bull-rushed into the QB.

Guess it depends on what point in the season your comparing the line. Think most likely raised the floor on both when you compare it to the end of the year.

I think Veach did the best he could under the circumstances.

This...the O-line, esp. the interior, has had praise heaped upon them for a few years now. They probably have had very good PFF grades for the passing game, but have obviously been underwhelming in short-yardage situations. This is the year Heck proves his worth, because the left side could be a bit of a disaster.

We good. Need a backup LT.

Don’t love that the Bills are bolstering their DLine. We should be fine, but it’s annoying.

As God as my witness I thought turkeys could fly.

Come on down Humphries. If teams thought he was a good option, he would be signed already. Should be able to keep him on the cheap 1 year deal.

The whole world just witnessed what happens when you create immense pressure with just the front 4 versus today's NFL offenses who are pass first, signing Bosa was 100% a move to help the Bills defeat the Chiefs. Chiefs need to get MUCH better at running the ball as the gameplan to smoke them (as long as you have a good front 4) like the Eagles did in the Superbowl is widely known now.

What would you do?

Crickets...

Lol. I came across another clickbait article today. This one said Cam Robinson to sign with the Chiefs. I found that perplexing after the contract to Moore, so I clicked. A box popped up to register, but there was one part under the box that said look for the Chiefs to go after Robinson. SMH. I get sick of that crap.

Creed Humphrey All-Pro
Trey Smith Pro Bowler, got All-Pro votes
Nick Allegretti 6th rd pick got paid
Andrew Wylie journeyman G turned RT on his 4th team, got paid

Yeah I trust his track record

It's... always been known. This is not a new development.

Pat Kirwan on NFL Radio said the same thing... that the Chiefs might still have interest in signing Cam Robinson, even after signing Moore.

Maybe if Robinson's market collapses.

Right, my post was really more about needing a premier running game again to keep defenses honest and help what seems to be our perennial struggling offensive lines. Obviously everyone knows if the defensive front four are in the backfield in < 1.5 seconds that is pretty much fatal for any offense.