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Sassy Squatch 03-10-2025 04:36 PM

Wharton to the Panthers
 
https://x.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1899226557022929069

Twitter is ****ing up so can't embed.

3 years 54 million

Hammock Parties 03-10-2025 04:37 PM

LMAO

way overpaid

smithandrew051 03-10-2025 04:37 PM

Big money. Good for him.

PHOG 03-10-2025 04:38 PM

Whoa, I knew he did good last year, but not THAT good.

Deberg_1990 03-10-2025 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PHOG (Post 17995084)
Whoa, I knew he did good last year, but not THAT good.

Average fatties make big money. It’s just the modern NFL

T-post Tom 03-10-2025 04:39 PM

26, undrafted from small school. Good on him.

Megatron96 03-10-2025 04:40 PM

Darn. Kinda hoped he would stay somehow.

St. Patty's Fire 03-10-2025 04:40 PM

holy shit. dude should give chris jones half his game checks

KC Hawks 03-10-2025 04:41 PM

****! ****!!

FloridaMan88 03-10-2025 04:42 PM

Carolina really wanted Milton Williams and they overpaid for their back-up option.

Mecca 03-10-2025 04:42 PM

We all knew he was gone but that's more than I expected.

Easy 6 03-10-2025 04:43 PM

Another king of poop mountain

Thanks for the memories, tho

Chris Meck 03-10-2025 04:44 PM

WHOA!

Yeah, guys, the cap went up a BUNCH this year, and is supposed to go up a BUNCH next year, too. There are going to be some crazy deals, just get used to it.

pugsnotdrugs19 03-10-2025 04:44 PM

Panthers man. They just can’t stop.

ThaVirus 03-10-2025 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17995081)
LMAO

way overpaid

The 49ers are saying the same about Moore..

This is why great teams don’t lean heavily on Free Agency.

JPH83 03-10-2025 04:44 PM

JFC that is insane.

RealSNR 03-10-2025 04:45 PM

Not gonna fault Turk for getting that big of a bag.

Is he our most successful undrafted guy we've developed in the Reid era? I think he might be.

Mecca 03-10-2025 04:45 PM

Every year you quickly learn why signing guys early in FA isn't a great idea.

ThaVirus 03-10-2025 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by T-post Tom (Post 17995087)
26, undrafted from small school. Good on him.

Yep, generational wealth secured. I’m happy for him.

He was a great UDFA, cost us basically nothing, outperformed the little resources we did use on him, never got in trouble, didn’t appear to be any sort of locker room cancer.

Since he went to the Panthers I can also continue rooting for him.

RunKC 03-10-2025 04:48 PM

Twitter isn’t working but Nick Norte posted this:

Assuming that Justin Watson qualifies as a compensatory free agent--and I'd be stunned if he didn't--Tershawn Wharton signing for $18M APY with the Panthers will get the Chiefs on the 2026 compensatory picks board with a 4th rounder.

Depends on what we do here on but it would be awesome to get that back and have three 4th rd picks in the 2026 draft

MahomesMagic 03-10-2025 04:50 PM

Good for us.

Helps comp pick formula.

DJ's left nut 03-10-2025 04:51 PM

He got HOW ****ing much?!?!?!?!

That is absolutely insane.

Rain Man 03-10-2025 04:52 PM

Wow, I didn't even realize he was on the market. I hate to lose our Rolla guy and an ascending DT in the league.

Well, good for him. He's been on an amazing career arc. I was surprised that he stayed at DT in his career. Is he the lightest starting DT in the league?

smithandrew051 03-10-2025 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17995113)
Twitter isn’t working but Nick Norte posted this:

Assuming that Justin Watson qualifies as a compensatory free agent--and I'd be stunned if he didn't--Tershawn Wharton signing for $18M APY with the Panthers will get the Chiefs on the 2026 compensatory picks board with a 4th rounder.

Depends on what we do here on but it would be awesome to get that back and have three 4th rd picks in the 2026 draft

UFA with several cheap quality years turns into a mid round pick.

It’s a beautiful thing.

Gary Cooper 03-10-2025 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17995081)
LMAO

way overpaid

No such thing as overpaid after today. The market has changed.

Pepe Silvia 03-10-2025 04:55 PM

The Panthers will always be irrelevant.

Jewish Rabbi 03-10-2025 05:00 PM

Happy for him. Happy KC didn’t pay him that much as well.

Bump 03-10-2025 05:00 PM

That's a lot more than I thought he would get. Good for him though, he got a big bag

louie aguiar 03-10-2025 05:03 PM

Don’t know why people seem to always comment that these guys are overpaid. That’s the market price for an ascending player that can provide some pass rush (he got 6.5 sacks last year) at DT and is one of the few players to play well in the SB. The salary cap is mostly fake anyway.

MahomesMagic 03-10-2025 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by louie aguiar (Post 17995150)
Don’t know why people seem to always comment that these guys are overpaid. That’s the market price for an ascending player that can provide some pass rush (he got 6.5 sacks last year) at DT and is one of the few players to play well in the SB. The salary cap is mostly fake anyway.

It's close to what we paid Omenihu a few years ago based on today's cap number and expectations.

Rain Man 03-10-2025 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by louie aguiar (Post 17995150)
Don’t know why people seem to always comment that these guys are overpaid. That’s the market price for an ascending player that can provide some pass rush (he got 6.5 sacks last year) at DT and is one of the few players to play well in the SB. The salary cap is mostly fake anyway.

Probably because it's more than most of us make.

kccrow 03-10-2025 05:09 PM

man... I thought he'd get a really nice bump to like 7-8m AAV not 18 AAV. Holy shit. Good for him. Dude balled the **** out this year and deserves a nice deal.

smithandrew051 03-10-2025 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 17995164)
man... I thought he'd get a really nice bump to like 7-8m AAV not 18 AAV. Holy shit. Good for him. Dude balled the **** out this year and deserves a nice deal.

These guys always seem to get overpaid.

I was guessing 2/$20 or 3/$36. I thought that was probably on the high side.

I wasn’t close.

JohnnyHammersticks 03-10-2025 05:16 PM

Wow...I knew he was gonna get paid, but didn't realize he was gonna get PAID, paid.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyHammersticks (Post 17877607)
This guy is carving out an nice career for an UDFA. Probably get a decent offer from some team soon, like Khalen Saunders did.

Good for him though. You like to see guys come out of nowhere and set themselves up for life like he just did.

Mecca 03-10-2025 05:19 PM

I thought he'd get 4-49, as an overpay for his position. I didn't think he'd go on day 1 at 18.

RaidersOftheCellar 03-10-2025 05:20 PM

Makes the Bolton deal look like a damn steal.

el borracho 03-10-2025 05:22 PM

I really wish Veach could trade some of these guys in the final year of their contract and get extra draft picks. Watching them walk with no return is not so fun.

JohnnyHammersticks 03-10-2025 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 17995101)
The 49ers are saying the same about Moore..

This is why great teams don’t lean heavily on Free Agency.

Yep. You'd never see a great team that played in 5 of the last 6 SBs and won 3 of them making crazy moves like we just did with Moore. Guess this is why we always suck.

Bump 03-10-2025 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by el borracho (Post 17995185)
I really wish Veach could trade some of these guys in the final year of their contract and get extra draft picks. Watching them walk with no return is not so fun.

they weren't going to trade him last season, we wouldn't have had anyone else.

Mecca 03-10-2025 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by el borracho (Post 17995185)
I really wish Veach could trade some of these guys in the final year of their contract and get extra draft picks. Watching them walk with no return is not so fun.

Well you can do that but then you look like Seattle right now where people wonder what you're doing.

Couch-Potato 03-10-2025 05:25 PM

boooo

el borracho 03-10-2025 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bump (Post 17995189)
they weren't going to trade him last season, we wouldn't have had anyone else.

My comment wasn't limited to Wharton. In general, I think we would be well-served to trade some of the guys we know we will lose to FA.

I am glad to see we will likely get a 4th round comp pick.

Also, this is a great draft for Defensive Tackles so I'm not sure what the Panthers are thinking but the timing (losing a good DT) works well for the Chiefs.

Bowser 03-10-2025 05:28 PM

Holy my goodness.

Happy for Turk, but.....wow.

Womble 03-10-2025 05:28 PM

Good for him that he got paid. Bad for him that it's the Panthers who are paying him.

MVChiefFan 03-10-2025 05:31 PM

I absolutely love Turk. He’s smart and seems like a good person. Plays hard and overachieves. Wish we could have kept him. That being said, if we would have paid him that, I would have lost my ****. That is absolutely crazypants! Good for him, though.

Red Dawg 03-10-2025 05:32 PM

Dang. DT at 31 it is.

DJ's left nut 03-10-2025 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17995173)
These guys always seem to get overpaid.

I was guessing 2/$20 or 3/$36. I thought that was probably on the high side.

I wasn’t close.

Yeah, I thought 3/$36 was the high end and accounted for possible market insanity. Felt like 3/$24 was the realistic high side.

Suddenly even Danna's deal doesn't look that bad anymore.

Red Dawg 03-10-2025 05:34 PM

Enjoy losing.

DJ's left nut 03-10-2025 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 17995101)
The 49ers are saying the same about Moore..

This is why great teams don’t lean heavily on Free Agency.

Felt like 2/$20 was a given as FA approached for Moore.

So we overpaid the 'baseline' by about 50%.

This feels like damn near twice what an accepted baseline would've been for Wharton, does it not?

FAs are always a bit overpaid even when they aren't. But if we're talking degrees, this is a massive one isn't it?

TwistedChief 03-10-2025 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17995218)
Felt like 2/$20 was a given as FA approached for Moore.

So we overpaid the 'baseline' by about 50%.

This feels like damn near twice what an accepted baseline would've been for Wharton, does it not?

FAs are always a bit overpaid even when they aren't. But if we're talking degrees, this is a massive one isn't it?

There was an espn article about the most "overrated" FAs and Wharton was one of five based on his gaudy sack production this last season but pedestrian pass-rush-win-rate.

It was crazy to see that he was somehow an "overrated" free agent.

Now it makes more sense.

ThaVirus 03-10-2025 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17995218)
Felt like 2/$20 was a given as FA approached for Moore.

So we overpaid the 'baseline' by about 50%.

This feels like damn near twice what an accepted baseline would've been for Wharton, does it not?

FAs are always a bit overpaid even when they aren't. But if we're talking degrees, this is a massive one isn't it?

I don’t think you can argue against it. I know it’s the nature of FA and exploding salary cap, but his APY is now higher than Vita Vea, Cam Hayward, and Ed Oliver lol

It’s hard to find a legit comp for him being so undersized but I guess the closest I can see is Odighizuwa. He just got an extension and he’s sitting at $20m. On the surface, Wharton had more sacks (6.5 vs 4.5), more TFLs (7 vs 5), and fewer QB hits (11 vs 23). He’s been solid against the run despite his size.

I don’t have access to more advanced pass rushing statistics, but if Wharton proves to be the same guy he was this past year for us consistently (and without a Chris Jones next to him), this should end up be in an OK signing.

Sassy Squatch 03-10-2025 05:53 PM

Derrick Brown isn't completely useless either. Should be a decent tandem on the IDL.

ChiliConCarnage 03-10-2025 05:55 PM

Wow. That is great for him! That's rare life changing money for a UDFA type

Coach 03-10-2025 06:06 PM

Happy for him to get paid, but man, I wouldn't fork that much out for two reasons (among others):

1. How much of his play benefitted from having Jones?

and

2. His pass-rush win rate of 7% doesn't match the sack production.

BWillie 03-10-2025 06:14 PM

I knew Wharton was solid but I had no idea he was this good.

ROYC75 03-10-2025 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach (Post 17995266)
Happy for him to get paid, but man, I wouldn't fork that much out for two reasons (among others):

1. How much of his play benefitted from having Jones?

and

2. His pass-rush win rate of 7% doesn't match the sack production.

THIS! ALL IF IT!

Panther fans will be disappointed!

We may end up going back to grandpa for 1 more year! ( Pennell )

Buehler445 03-10-2025 06:58 PM

Good on him. That’s incredible money. Do you have any idea how pissed I’d be if the Chiefs did this LOL?

Scooter LaCanforno 03-10-2025 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 17995080)
https://x.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1899226557022929069

Twitter is ****ing up so can't embed.

3 years 54 million


Congrats to Wharton. He's already a hero in Carolina. He caught that kid falling out of the stands this year.

Pitt Gorilla 03-10-2025 07:41 PM

Ugh, that stinks. Good for him, but we'll REALLY miss the guy.

ThyKingdomCome15 03-10-2025 08:08 PM

Wow that's more than double as to what I thought he'd get. Awesome for him and we'll get a solid comp pick out of it.

JohnnyHammersticks 03-10-2025 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThyKingdomCome15 (Post 17995395)
Wow that's more than double as to what I thought he'd get. Awesome for him and we'll get a solid comp pick out of it.

Same, and I was one of the people during last season saying how he was playing himself into a nice contract. Literally twice as much as I expected he'd get. Good for him, though.

YontsRBake 03-10-2025 08:42 PM

This one of the worst overpays I’ve ever seen.

Hammock Parties 03-10-2025 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YontsRBake (Post 17995448)
This one of the worst overpays I’ve ever seen.

Several dudes have gotten paid because of Chris Jones. By the Chiefs, even.

Pepe Silvia 03-10-2025 10:02 PM

The Carolina Panthers aren't real. It's crazy that neither '95 expansion team will ever win a Lombardi.

jjchieffan 03-10-2025 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17995113)
Twitter isn’t working but Nick Norte posted this:

Assuming that Justin Watson qualifies as a compensatory free agent--and I'd be stunned if he didn't--Tershawn Wharton signing for $18M APY with the Panthers will get the Chiefs on the 2026 compensatory picks board with a 4th rounder.

Depends on what we do here on but it would be awesome to get that back and have three 4th rd picks in the 2026 draft

I hope that you're right. But so far, I'm thinking that our new left tackle is probably wiping out the pick for Wharton.

ThyKingdomCome15 03-11-2025 01:12 AM

DT is the most underrated position of need for this team by a lot. We need three quality players and no less than two. If something happens to Jones we have two going holes in the middle of the DL.

New World Order 03-11-2025 01:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17995486)
Several dudes have gotten paid because of Chris Jones. By the Chiefs, even.

What about Ryan Sims

Bump 03-11-2025 01:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 17995549)
What about Ryan Sims

Julius Peppers made him a top 10 pick

Pepe Silvia 03-11-2025 01:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 17995549)
What about Ryan Sims

Ugh.

Rausch 03-11-2025 05:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jjchieffan (Post 17995506)
I hope that you're right. But so far, I'm thinking that our new left tackle is probably wiping out the pick for Wharton.

If we're lucky.

Kiimo 03-11-2025 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThyKingdomCome15 (Post 17995546)
DT is the most underrated position of need for this team by a lot. We need three quality players and no less than two. If something happens to Jones we have two going holes in the middle of the DL.


DT is far and away the best position of this upcoming draft both in terms of top end quality and sheer number. We'll probably get more than one in this draft.

smithandrew051 03-11-2025 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiimo (Post 17995684)
DT is far and away the best position of this upcoming draft both in terms of top end quality and sheer number. We'll probably get more than one in this draft.

Which is what makes the Wharton contract all the more confusing.

Why would Carolina give him so much money when they could very likely draft a guy who’s as good/better?

Wisconsin_Chief 03-11-2025 09:46 AM

I am the biggest Turk Wharton fan you will ever find. That said, this is insane, I don’t really care how you slice it.

Good for him, though! Love to see it!

RunKC 03-11-2025 09:48 AM

Feels like Nick Allegretti and Turk Wharton are guys that were universally celebrated by Chiefs fans for doing well here and getting paid.

They are both great stories

Cheater5 03-11-2025 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17995692)
Which is what makes the Wharton contract all the more confusing.

Why would Carolina give him so much money when they could very likely draft a guy who’s as good/better?


My guess? His pedigree as a two-time Super Bowl champion on Steve Spagnuolo’s defense.

RealSNR 03-11-2025 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17995772)
Feels like Nick Allegretti and Turk Wharton are guys that were universally celebrated by Chiefs fans for doing well here and getting paid.

They are both great stories


I was happy for Wylie too.

Ended his Chiefs career on a high note. Didn’t shit the bed that last season when we really needed him. Started from nothing. It’s fun to see guys like that turn into players with legit NFL careers

Mecca 03-11-2025 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17995692)
Which is what makes the Wharton contract all the more confusing.

Why would Carolina give him so much money when they could very likely draft a guy who’s as good/better?

Because they don't wanna use their high picks on that, they already have a top 5 DT. They also signed Bobby Brown at DT.

They're likely wanting to draft offense.

Mr. Kotter 03-11-2025 01:33 PM

More $ than I would have guessed; but good on him. I liked Wharton...but next to Jones, his profile was elevated. It'll be interesting to see how he fares in Carolina.


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