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Hot take: Veach should draft a DT in the first 2 rds
This is the best DT class in years. DT and RB are easily the best positions in this draft and we should capitalize on them.
Derrick Harmon Walter Nolen Darius Alexander TJ Sanders Josh Farmer Ty Robinson Omar Norman-Lott This isn’t even counting a lot of other talented guys that I don’t have listed here like Tyleik Williams or Alfred Collins. Hell there’s guys in rd 3 and 4 that I like too. Vernon Broughton, Shemar Turner or CJ West. **** me. Might just have to double the **** up gents |
The only reason NOT to is that to get them on the field you have to move Jones out or sit George.
Good DE class, too. Take another of those. |
It would be mismanagement of epic proportions not to take one by the end of the 3rd round.
I'm not going to pound my fist and say take one in the first or even the 2nd, but at some point on day 2, you have to take one. I get it that Veach has been able to patch together the position with below-average turds next to Jones for years but this is a chance to give the position strength and depth. |
Agree with others, it'd be negligent not to use this draft to improve the DL. There have been a couple of occasions on the simulators I've seen most of the DT talent dry up by our 2nd pick, and I've ended up going for a DE and later-round DT. I don't think that's impossible.
In pretty much every mock I've done though, I've ended up taking a DT AND DE in the first 3 picks, sometimes all 3 picks have been DL. I absolutely hated watching our DL last year, it needs improvement across the board. The lack of speed and bend at DE, and the lack of...anything at DT, outside of Jones, was painful to watch. In some ways it's a shame this isn't an offense heavy draft. I still think that should be the identity of this team, and as bad as the DL was, it wasn't half as bad as our entire offense. But we've got to take what's there - rebuild the DL and RB rooms, and if we can fill in any gaps elsewhere, like CB, great. |
We’re definitely taking DL, I’m partial to guys that can play both DE and DL as a solution similar to Jones.
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I don't think they should be deadset on a position in the first 2 rounds. Just take the best NFL ready football players IMO. Non-QB ofc
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There’s just no cap space right now, we need a creative deal with Smith and a Mahomes restructure or we’re dead in the water in FA. |
Two DTs that are interesting to me for later in the draft.
Vernon Broughton 6’5” 310 a penetrating DT that has good strength to hold up in the run game but can get good penetration on the pass game. Has 35” arms which is good for hand fighting and getting in the passing lanes. He could be had with one of 3rd round picks and a solid back up to Chris Jones. Warren Bronson 6’5” 315 a big physical DT. Great in the run game. Showed good athleticism at the combine but it didn’t always show up in games. Has 34”+ arms. Could be a solid run stuffing DT to develop next to Jones. Could be had with our 4th round pick. Or even better if we could trade back into the 5th round |
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I'm assuming you mean Warren Brinson from Georgia? I always like guys that get off the ball quickly, and he does. Definitely needs development but he could be a late-round flier. I really like Ty Robinson from Nebraska. I know it's cliche, but he reminds me quite a bit of JJ Watt. Watt was just a tad longer in the arms and a little bit more athletic but the play style and the overall physical traits are similar. Not saying he'll become a JJ Watt, because I don't think he's that. I do think he'll be a really disruptive DT. Would be more of a 3T rotational piece with Jones than a compliment though. |
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I agree I like Robinson a well. Was just bringing two guys up that hadn’t really been talked about |
Vernon Broughton will be 24 when camp starts in July but as a 4th rd pick he would be awesome.
6’5” 311 lbs 35 arms First step quickness. Man I love the thought of this kid on our team. <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Vernon Broughton swipes the hands, gets vertical & strip sacks the QB! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PassRush?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PassRush</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/HookEm?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#HookEm</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFBPlayoff?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CFBPlayoff</a> <a href="https://t.co/n3OYYjINLY">pic.twitter.com/n3OYYjINLY</a></p>— DLineVids (@dlinevids1) <a href="https://twitter.com/dlinevids1/status/1877920945870086168?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 11, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Vernon Broughton (<a href="https://twitter.com/thekid_bigv?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@thekid_bigv</a>) of <a href="https://twitter.com/TexasFootball?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TexasFootball</a> knocks the hands down & penetrates while reducing his hitting surface. Gets the strip sack/recovery! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PassRush?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PassRush</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/HookEm?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#HookEm</a> <a href="https://t.co/lF5MugVD9x">pic.twitter.com/lF5MugVD9x</a></p>— DLineVids (@dlinevids1) <a href="https://twitter.com/dlinevids1/status/1840158378108301353?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 28, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">VERNON BROUGHTON IS HIM, I TRIED TO LET YALL KNOW <a href="https://t.co/EaXViKIzcx">pic.twitter.com/EaXViKIzcx</a></p>— Nash (@NashTalksTexas) <a href="https://twitter.com/NashTalksTexas/status/1863034601200873816?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 1, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Vernon Broughton is a FORCE��<br><br> <a href="https://t.co/uKeoNaVebn">pic.twitter.com/uKeoNaVebn</a></p>— PFF College (@PFF_College) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1877918686985461943?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 11, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Vernon Broughton is a 6'4 308lb DT.... <a href="https://t.co/H8qzKzt0gB">pic.twitter.com/H8qzKzt0gB</a></p>— Cole Cubelic (@colecubelic) <a href="https://twitter.com/colecubelic/status/1863761152792002680?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 3, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
It's, sort of, the Philly model. They've taken Davis and Carter early and surrounded them with other nasty rushers, typically also from Georgia or Bama.
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I also like Ty Robinson
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Darius Alexander from Toledo offers you basically the exact same thing on a much cheaper contract. Granted, it’s gonna cost one of those first two picks. |
Wharton > Omenihu IMO
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This is completely reeruned unless Brett Veach does it then it’s brilliant.
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I guess I misread the OP.
I thought it was saying to take TWO DT's in the first two rounds. I don't know about THAT, but I have been totally zeroed in one ONE DT in the first two rounds. And usually a DE in the other. |
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I stand by the idea that we should take a DE and DT in the first 4 picks and honestly I'm pretty sure I want to see us do it in the first TWO.
But we'll see how the board shakes out. Likely to be some real value at CB in there as well. Might be some at TE. Should be at IOL but it would seem we're full up there. And yeah, developmental OT can be on the table on day 2 as well. But I really think there's an excellent chance that the BPA for those first two pick is gonna be on the DL. If we end up with 2 DL, a CB, another developmental OT and a RB with our first 5 picks, I feel like I'll be a pretty happy camper. But I just don't see this team suddenly deciding that DT is a high value proposition in the draft. |
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It didn’t seem like Veach wanted to draft LBs until he took Gay, Bolton, and Chenal in consecutive drafts. We also didn’t think he’d draft CBs early, but then took McDuffie and 3 more in the same draft. With such a strong DL class and Jones with just a couple years left, this seems like the stars are aligning. |
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I think it's because they changed their pass rush plan. And ultimately I don't think Spags would have a problem doing it again. Rather than use the ends to hold some contain and allow Jones to try to split/crush the pocket, they pivoted to a more 'conventional' form of pass rush with the DTs holding the line and the DEs getting after it. I see it as similar to the idea of 'replacing' Kelce -- they just won't. They'll change the offense to work through its WRs instead of its TE. I could very easily see the Chiefs, as Jones ages out, simply changing the nature of their pass rush. But this draft could say a lot there. If they pass on a 1st/2nd day DT yet again, that tells me that their plan for life after Chris Jones is just not going to go through the interior pass rush. |
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Aside from DL and RB, of course. They have a great opportunity to load up the DL and add a dynamic back. They need to do it. And none of that stops them from taking an OL prospect or pass catcher who falls to them as BPA. |
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Said this in another thread, but I’m also becoming more confident that 63 or 66 (or a trade up from 63) is gonna be for a weapon, most likely a RB. The 66th pick would be so so good to add another DL though. The value there is gonna be really good. |
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Maybe there's someone they can't risk losing at that spot so they'll take him and trade down with the 3. But I can see them using those two picks in some fashion to build up 3rd day capital. I just can't see them going without picks for two rounds. |
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I have a feeling Veach is gonna use that Sneed pick to bargain a deal for a move up to get his favorite DL. I posted an example yesterday of 31 and 66 for 24 and 97 pick swap with Minnesota which according to the draft chart is fair. Feels like that’s a Veach move bc he’ll get a guy he thinks is a legit blue chip player and still keep a 3rd rd pick in a super deep draft class |
With the comp picks awarded I think it’s more likely he moves up in the middle somewhere and still gets plenty of stabs at the draft. Sits just his nature at this point lol.
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Advanced Stats: "Pass rush win rates for this edge class in actual dropback pass situations (no screen, RPO, or PA), as well as pressure allowed rates for this tackle class in the exact same scenario.”
https://bsky.app/profile/brettkollma.../3lkqrgfsfle2h *Not DT, but figured I’d post here |
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Guys I don't particularly like at all are Landon Jackson, Kennard, Ivey and Princely. |
Que Robinson isn't a guy you hear a lot about, but man there feels like there's a lot of upside there as mid-round pick. Again, doubt we'd pick him. But every measurement seems to suggest he's winning a LOT
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I find myself moving towards Omar Norman-Lott in the 2nd round.
That kind of interior pressure would just create chaos because there are so few teams that have it that there are few teams we'd face built to stop it. It's one of those things were simply being unique can create an advantage for you. He's one of those guys I'm looking at when I say that I don't really care much about prospect age at a certain point. I mean folks will look at Norman-Lott and Jordan Phillips and say "Well Jordan Phillips is only 20, ONL is 23 -- Phillips is clearly a higher upside prospect..." I just can't get there. I don't see a 6'2", 315 lb guy in Phillips having a growth spurt. Or getting faster. Now getting out of Maryland's program into an NFL program might be a big deal for him but that would be a big deal for 24 year old Darius Alexander going from Toledo to an NFL program as well. At that point it's not age, it's situation. I think people might look past ONL a bit because he's a little older and has never put up eye-popping numbers. But he's had 2 really good years at TN and just creates problems on the interior. I think he's a perfect get if he's there for us in the 2nd. |
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Josh Farmer and Omar Norman-Lott seem like great values that will be there. And there’s a ton of Omenihu type DE’s who will be there too. There’s so many of them. And even guys like Elijah Roberts who would give them a much better version of Mike Danna with way higher ceiling playing outside and inside, a lot like Kobie Turner in LA. The amount of talent that’s going to be available on the DL really makes me wonder if the Chiefs will use their 1st rd pick on offense just bc of the litany of excellent DL that will be pushed down the board. And I do think these guys are gonna get pushed down the board. Maybe Luther Burden? Maybe Omarion Hampton if he falls? Maybe I still think Harmon is who they’ll want but he will likely be gone. And man I have been sold on Scourton bc his ceiling is noticeably higher than Karlaftis. Feels like they’re gonna completely reset this DL and get multiple guys with those 4 top 100 picks. |
Much like DJ with Norman-Lott, who I really like as a situational pass-rush guy, my guy at DT has really become T.J. Sanders. If you can allow him the same freedom he had at SC to just create havoc, he's going to be special. He needs some coaching up on pad level and needs to add more mass to become a better bull rusher, but man can he add some juice to a lineup. He's also pretty damned stout against the run.
He kind of fits in that no-man's land for us though. He may or may not be a top 32 guy but he's a top 48 guy. So, do you take him in 1 because he's not likely there at 63. |
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I just think it's damn likely he's there at the back of 2 and we just don't have the picks (with plenty of need) to be moving up. I could see us moving the Thuney 4th to get into 5 this year and go after a RB, but I don't really see a good justification for moving up. And with the depth of the DL class, I don't love the idea of reaching a bit either. I mean if you came out of that draft with Harmon, Ersery and ONL with those first 3 picks, I don't think that's necessary demanding miracles and it's a KILLER haul. If not Harmon, Scourton. I agree with you that Sanders is caught in between but more than anything I feel like there are closer analogues to him that WILL be there at the back of 2 than there are at DE. |
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I'd be so bummed out if he got to us in 3 and we passed only to lose him prior to our late 3 that I'd almost certainly grab him with the Titans pick. Ultimately I kinda use our pick and that Titans pick interchangeably in my head, though. |
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Ersery isn't making it to 53 much less 63. Not a chance. I'd be a bit surprised if he makes it to 43
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The problem is an obvious one - if Moore is good at LT and you have Taylor's big cap number next year, the slide over to RT feels inevitable. And Moore has been buns at RT throughout his career so you really don't want to move him over there. So my plan costs us a year of valuable development time if you see him as your long-term RT. And if the Chiefs decided to use the 2025 season to redshirt him as he transitions to RT, I would completely understand that. But I think he has LT tools and would love to see him stay at LT to fully develop them and potentially replace Moore at LT in 2027. If Moore proves to be more than average to slightly above average at LT and you extend him, so be it. But I think Ersery's tools are significantly better than Moore's and he has the raw talent to be at/near a pro bowl level with patience (and maybe then you see Kingsley or even Wanya make the shift to RT). |
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There are a few guys more 'ready to play' than Ersery who, if teams think they can stick at OT, might go ahead of him when we don't expect it. Milum, Savalahwhatever from Arizona, Jackson, Mbow, Zabel -- if there are teams looking at those guys as genuine OTs then they might be more polished enough to the point that they end up ahead of Ersery. If that pushes him from, say, the 6th ranked OT to the 10th ranked OT, then you might see him fall to the back of 2. You're probably right, but I won't close the book on the possibility just yet. |
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I've repeatedly tried to shoe-horn a faster edge into the equation in the first few picks, but I've given up hope on that happening. If Spag is going to insist on bigger, powerful DEs over speed and bend, f*** it, I'm onboard with the creating chaos from the interior plan. |
Okay fellas. How do you rank the DT’s for us today?
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Man, I really think Grant or Williams are perfect fits at #31. There are a couple of guys in the 2nd that are possibilities, too.
We don't really need a 3 tech, you have Jones. What you need is a NT to complement him. You've got guys that can rush inside in Danna and Omenihu. You NEED a NT. |
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Nolen
Harmon Grant Williams Collins Norman-Lott Alexander Something like that. I really don’t get how PFF is so high on Alexander. They had him as a top 25 prospect. That makes little sense to me. |
Anyone like Deone Walker?
That’s a massive human. |
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1. Derrick Harmon
2. Walter Nolan 3. Kenneth Grant 4. Darius Alexander 5. Omar Norman-Lott 6. TJ Sanders 7. Josh Farmer 8. Vernon Broughton 9. Alfred Collins 10. Shemar Turner 11. Ty Robinson |
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If you can grab him late, then maybe you can do something with him. Has to be late though. Too many better prospects in this draft. |
Probably something like this right now. I haven't put much thought into pure ranking yet...
01. Mason Graham, Michigan 02. Walter Nolen, Ole Miss 03. Derrick Harmon, Oregon **** Realistic Cutoff **** 04. Tyleik Williams, Ohio State 05. Kenneth Grant, Michigan 06. T.J. Sanders, South Carolina 07. Alfred Collins, Texas 08. Elijah Roberts, SMU 09. Joshua Farmer, Florida State 10. Darius Alexander, Toledo 11. Ty Robinson, Nebraska 12. Omarr Norman-Lott, Tennessee 13. Shemar Turner, Texas A&M 14. Ty Hamilton, Ohio State 15. Deone Walker, Kentucky 16. J.J. Pegues, Ole Miss 17. Jordan Phillips, Maryland 18. C.J. West, Indiana 19. Vernon Broughton, Texas 20. Sai'Vion Jones, LSU |
Kenneth Grant pro day. Woah
• Measurements (Pro Day): 6-3 3/8, 330 lbs • Pro Day: Bench press: 27 reps, 40-yard dash : 5.07, Vertical jump: 31″, Broad jump: 8-9 1/2, 3-Cone drill: 7.65, 20-yard shuttle: 4.76 |
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He and Jones would wreck souls together. Perfect complimentary players. |
Would be a great pick at 63 or 66
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NFL defensive tackle prospect Joshua Farmer has revealed this about his communications with the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a>… <a href="https://t.co/MAGAMFnpMD">pic.twitter.com/MAGAMFnpMD</a></p>— Chiefs Blitz (@ChiefsBlitz) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsBlitz/status/1906030438943952911?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 29, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
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Tier 1 1. Derrick Harmon 2. Walter Nolan 3. Kenneth Grant Tier 2 4. Josh Farmer 5. TJ Sanders 6. Shemar Stewart Tier 3 7. Darius Alexander (age is dropping him. 25 year old rookie) 8. Vernon Broughton 9. Ty Robinson 10. Omar Norman-Lott I took out Alfred Collins and Tyleik Willaims bc I want guys who will be a force rushing the passer and I don’t think those 2 provide enough pass rush. I don’t have him here but Elijah Roberts is technically a DE but I would draft him to play inside bc of his season measurables and elite athleticism/power. Would put him in tier 2 if he was strictly a DT. |
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We are bringing this kid in on a private visit. He looks really interesting wow
That 40, 10, 3 cone and bench press goddamn <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Adin Huntington is a DT prospect in the 2025 draft class. He scored a 9.64 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RAS?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RAS</a> out of a possible 10.00. This ranked 74 out of 2021 DT from 1987 to 2025. <br><br>Small update for cone, ups his score a little bit. <a href="https://t.co/5GzbA84Cd5">https://t.co/5GzbA84Cd5</a> <a href="https://t.co/GRoKbWFQHR">pic.twitter.com/GRoKbWFQHR</a></p>— Kent Lee Platte (@MathBomb) <a href="https://twitter.com/MathBomb/status/1908635538820649097?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 5, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> <blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">New Tulane D-lineman Adin Huntington was ridiculously disruptive for Louisiana-Monroe last season. <br><br>Twitchy pass rusher with active hands and constantly knifing into backfield. Led all G5 IDL in pressures last season (48). <a href="https://t.co/zWtwonqkwZ">pic.twitter.com/zWtwonqkwZ</a></p>— Bobby Football (@Rob__Paul) <a href="https://twitter.com/Rob__Paul/status/1805392197744800018?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 25, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
Crazy athletic for that size
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There's your Wharton replacement.
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Since In58men beat me too it, Chiefs have met with Georgia DT Tyrion Ingram-Dawkins.
6’5” 276 lbs 33.5 arms 9.75 hands Like Vernon Broughton he was behind studs at Georgia but got his shot this year. Had 8 TFL’s and 3 sacks. Elite athleticism. 2nd best 40, best 10 split, best 3 cone, best 20 shuttle. **** man. There’s so many good caliber DL. I want us to trade down, get more picks and just throw numbers at it. That’s how good the class is. Day 3 should be devoted to getting DL projects with high upside bc **** me theres gonna be a shit load of them available and that just never happens. |
Would be a home run pick at 63.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Joshua Farmer's skillset and flashes of brilliance are impressive. If he can find consistency, his potential is through the roof. <a href="https://t.co/yGCYBxYbbS">pic.twitter.com/yGCYBxYbbS</a></p>— Billy M (@BillyM_91) <a href="https://twitter.com/BillyM_91/status/1909775028142432601?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 9, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script> |
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