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RunKC 03-04-2025 08:05 PM

Hot take: Veach should draft a DT in the first 2 rds
 
This is the best DT class in years. DT and RB are easily the best positions in this draft and we should capitalize on them.

Derrick Harmon
Walter Nolen
Darius Alexander
TJ Sanders
Josh Farmer
Ty Robinson
Omar Norman-Lott

This isn’t even counting a lot of other talented guys that I don’t have listed here like Tyleik Williams or Alfred Collins. Hell there’s guys in rd 3 and 4 that I like too. Vernon Broughton, Shemar Turner or CJ West.

**** me. Might just have to double the **** up gents

Chris Meck 03-04-2025 08:14 PM

The only reason NOT to is that to get them on the field you have to move Jones out or sit George.

Good DE class, too. Take another of those.

kccrow 03-04-2025 08:58 PM

It would be mismanagement of epic proportions not to take one by the end of the 3rd round.

I'm not going to pound my fist and say take one in the first or even the 2nd, but at some point on day 2, you have to take one.

I get it that Veach has been able to patch together the position with below-average turds next to Jones for years but this is a chance to give the position strength and depth.

JPH83 03-05-2025 01:00 AM

Agree with others, it'd be negligent not to use this draft to improve the DL. There have been a couple of occasions on the simulators I've seen most of the DT talent dry up by our 2nd pick, and I've ended up going for a DE and later-round DT. I don't think that's impossible.

In pretty much every mock I've done though, I've ended up taking a DT AND DE in the first 3 picks, sometimes all 3 picks have been DL. I absolutely hated watching our DL last year, it needs improvement across the board. The lack of speed and bend at DE, and the lack of...anything at DT, outside of Jones, was painful to watch.

In some ways it's a shame this isn't an offense heavy draft. I still think that should be the identity of this team, and as bad as the DL was, it wasn't half as bad as our entire offense. But we've got to take what's there - rebuild the DL and RB rooms, and if we can fill in any gaps elsewhere, like CB, great.

Couch-Potato 03-05-2025 06:24 PM

We’re definitely taking DL, I’m partial to guys that can play both DE and DL as a solution similar to Jones.

Bowser 03-05-2025 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 17989119)
We’re definitely taking DL, I’m partial to guys that can play both DE and DL as a solution similar to Jones.

That's why I feel getting Omenihu back on the roster is kind of a big deal. Not that we shouldn't look for and draft one of those guys, I just feel Omenihu's ability to play up and down the line is overlooked.

Bump 03-06-2025 01:17 AM

I don't think they should be deadset on a position in the first 2 rounds. Just take the best NFL ready football players IMO. Non-QB ofc

Couch-Potato 03-06-2025 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 17989217)
That's why I feel getting Omenihu back on the roster is kind of a big deal. Not that we shouldn't look for and draft one of those guys, I just feel Omenihu's ability to play up and down the line is overlooked.

Overlooked bc he was injured all season, if he wants big money after sitting all year I think we have to let him walk.

There’s just no cap space right now, we need a creative deal with Smith and a Mahomes restructure or we’re dead in the water in FA.

Palangi 03-06-2025 12:00 PM

Two DTs that are interesting to me for later in the draft.

Vernon Broughton 6’5” 310 a penetrating DT that has good strength to hold up in the run game but can get good penetration on the pass game. Has 35” arms which is good for hand fighting and getting in the passing lanes. He could be had with one of 3rd round picks and a solid back up to Chris Jones.

Warren Bronson 6’5” 315 a big physical DT. Great in the run game. Showed good athleticism at the combine but it didn’t always show up in games. Has 34”+ arms. Could be a solid run stuffing DT to develop next to Jones. Could be had with our 4th round pick. Or even better if we could trade back into the 5th round

kccrow 03-06-2025 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Palangi (Post 17989764)
Two DTs that are interesting to me for later in the draft.

Vernon Broughton 6’5” 310 a penetrating DT that has good strength to hold up in the run game but can get good penetration on the pass game. Has 35” arms which is good for hand fighting and getting in the passing lanes. He could be had with one of 3rd round picks and a solid back up to Chris Jones.

Warren Bronson 6’5” 315 a big physical DT. Great in the run game. Showed good athleticism at the combine but it didn’t always show up in games. Has 34”+ arms. Could be a solid run stuffing DT to develop next to Jones. Could be had with our 4th round pick. Or even better if we could trade back into the 5th round

Broughton played really well this past year.

I'm assuming you mean Warren Brinson from Georgia? I always like guys that get off the ball quickly, and he does. Definitely needs development but he could be a late-round flier.

I really like Ty Robinson from Nebraska. I know it's cliche, but he reminds me quite a bit of JJ Watt. Watt was just a tad longer in the arms and a little bit more athletic but the play style and the overall physical traits are similar. Not saying he'll become a JJ Watt, because I don't think he's that. I do think he'll be a really disruptive DT. Would be more of a 3T rotational piece with Jones than a compliment though.

Palangi 03-06-2025 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 17989908)
Broughton played really well this past year.

I'm assuming you mean Warren Brinson from Georgia? I always like guys that get off the ball quickly, and he does. Definitely needs development but he could be a late-round flier.

I really like Ty Robinson from Nebraska. I know it's cliche, but he reminds me quite a bit of JJ Watt. Watt was just a tad longer in the arms and a little bit more athletic but the play style and the overall physical traits are similar. Not saying he'll become a JJ Watt, because I don't think he's that. I do think he'll be a really disruptive DT. Would be more of a 3T rotational piece with Jones than a compliment though.

Yes I meant Brinson. Phone auto corrected.

I agree I like Robinson a well. Was just bringing two guys up that hadn’t really been talked about

RunKC 03-06-2025 04:19 PM

Vernon Broughton will be 24 when camp starts in July but as a 4th rd pick he would be awesome.

6’5”
311 lbs
35 arms

First step quickness. Man I love the thought of this kid on our team.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Vernon Broughton swipes the hands, gets vertical &amp; strip sacks the QB! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PassRush?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PassRush</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/HookEm?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#HookEm</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CFBPlayoff?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CFBPlayoff</a> <a href="https://t.co/n3OYYjINLY">pic.twitter.com/n3OYYjINLY</a></p>&mdash; DLineVids (@dlinevids1) <a href="https://twitter.com/dlinevids1/status/1877920945870086168?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 11, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Vernon Broughton (<a href="https://twitter.com/thekid_bigv?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@thekid_bigv</a>) of <a href="https://twitter.com/TexasFootball?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TexasFootball</a> knocks the hands down &amp; penetrates while reducing his hitting surface. Gets the strip sack/recovery! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PassRush?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PassRush</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/HookEm?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#HookEm</a> <a href="https://t.co/lF5MugVD9x">pic.twitter.com/lF5MugVD9x</a></p>&mdash; DLineVids (@dlinevids1) <a href="https://twitter.com/dlinevids1/status/1840158378108301353?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 28, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">VERNON BROUGHTON IS HIM, I TRIED TO LET YALL KNOW <a href="https://t.co/EaXViKIzcx">pic.twitter.com/EaXViKIzcx</a></p>&mdash; Nash (@NashTalksTexas) <a href="https://twitter.com/NashTalksTexas/status/1863034601200873816?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 1, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Vernon Broughton is a FORCE��<br><br> <a href="https://t.co/uKeoNaVebn">pic.twitter.com/uKeoNaVebn</a></p>&mdash; PFF College (@PFF_College) <a href="https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1877918686985461943?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 11, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Vernon Broughton is a 6&#39;4 308lb DT.... <a href="https://t.co/H8qzKzt0gB">pic.twitter.com/H8qzKzt0gB</a></p>&mdash; Cole Cubelic (@colecubelic) <a href="https://twitter.com/colecubelic/status/1863761152792002680?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 3, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Pitt Gorilla 03-07-2025 02:10 PM

It's, sort of, the Philly model. They've taken Davis and Carter early and surrounded them with other nasty rushers, typically also from Georgia or Bama.

Couch-Potato 03-08-2025 12:07 PM

I also like Ty Robinson

Palangi 03-08-2025 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 17987831)
It would be mismanagement of epic proportions not to take one by the end of the 3rd round.

I'm not going to pound my fist and say take one in the first or even the 2nd, but at some point on day 2, you have to take one.

I get it that Veach has been able to patch together the position with below-average turds next to Jones for years but this is a chance to give the position strength and depth.

I agree. We need to upgrade the talent next to Chris jones and start thinking about life with out Chris jones. It has been put off long enough now

TomBarndtsTwin 03-09-2025 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bowser (Post 17989217)
That's why I feel getting Omenihu back on the roster is kind of a big deal. Not that we shouldn't look for and draft one of those guys, I just feel Omenihu's ability to play up and down the line is overlooked.

Depends on the money he’s wanting.

Darius Alexander from Toledo offers you basically the exact same thing on a much cheaper contract. Granted, it’s gonna cost one of those first two picks.

Couch-Potato 03-09-2025 09:31 AM

Wharton > Omenihu IMO

Dunerdr 03-09-2025 10:37 AM

This is completely reeruned unless Brett Veach does it then it’s brilliant.

Chris Meck 03-09-2025 01:14 PM

I guess I misread the OP.

I thought it was saying to take TWO DT's in the first two rounds. I don't know about THAT, but I have been totally zeroed in one ONE DT in the first two rounds. And usually a DE in the other.

Dunerdr 03-10-2025 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 17993373)
I guess I misread the OP.

I thought it was saying to take TWO DT's in the first two rounds. I don't know about THAT, but I have been totally zeroed in one ONE DT in the first two rounds. And usually a DE in the other.

That is exactly what I thought tbh.

DJ's left nut 03-10-2025 07:48 PM

I stand by the idea that we should take a DE and DT in the first 4 picks and honestly I'm pretty sure I want to see us do it in the first TWO.

But we'll see how the board shakes out. Likely to be some real value at CB in there as well. Might be some at TE. Should be at IOL but it would seem we're full up there.

And yeah, developmental OT can be on the table on day 2 as well.

But I really think there's an excellent chance that the BPA for those first two pick is gonna be on the DL.

If we end up with 2 DL, a CB, another developmental OT and a RB with our first 5 picks, I feel like I'll be a pretty happy camper.

But I just don't see this team suddenly deciding that DT is a high value proposition in the draft.

smithandrew051 03-10-2025 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17995373)
But I just don't see this team suddenly deciding that DT is a high value proposition in the draft.

How much of that is just the team relying on Jones for the last several years though?

It didn’t seem like Veach wanted to draft LBs until he took Gay, Bolton, and Chenal in consecutive drafts.

We also didn’t think he’d draft CBs early, but then took McDuffie and 3 more in the same draft.

With such a strong DL class and Jones with just a couple years left, this seems like the stars are aligning.

DJ's left nut 03-11-2025 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17995409)
How much of that is just the team relying on Jones for the last several years though?

It didn’t seem like Veach wanted to draft LBs until he took Gay, Bolton, and Chenal in consecutive drafts.

We also didn’t think he’d draft CBs early, but then took McDuffie and 3 more in the same draft.

With such a strong DL class and Jones with just a couple years left, this seems like the stars are aligning.

Remember how good the pass rush looked against Pittsburgh without Jones?

I think it's because they changed their pass rush plan. And ultimately I don't think Spags would have a problem doing it again. Rather than use the ends to hold some contain and allow Jones to try to split/crush the pocket, they pivoted to a more 'conventional' form of pass rush with the DTs holding the line and the DEs getting after it.

I see it as similar to the idea of 'replacing' Kelce -- they just won't. They'll change the offense to work through its WRs instead of its TE.

I could very easily see the Chiefs, as Jones ages out, simply changing the nature of their pass rush.

But this draft could say a lot there. If they pass on a 1st/2nd day DT yet again, that tells me that their plan for life after Chris Jones is just not going to go through the interior pass rush.

smithandrew051 03-11-2025 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17995731)
Remember how good the pass rush looked against Pittsburgh without Jones?

I think it's because they changed their pass rush plan. And ultimately I don't think Spags would have a problem doing it again. Rather than use the ends to hold some contain and allow Jones to try to split/crush the pocket, they pivoted to a more 'conventional' form of pass rush with the DTs holding the line and the DEs getting after it.

I see it as similar to the idea of 'replacing' Kelce -- they just won't. They'll change the offense to work through its WRs instead of its TE.

I could very easily see the Chiefs, as Jones ages out, simply changing the nature of their pass rush.

But this draft could say a lot there. If they pass on a 1st/2nd day DT yet again, that tells me that their plan for life after Chris Jones is just not going to go through the interior pass rush.

Chiefs just got the DB they needed, so the real pressing needs are basically taken care of.

Aside from DL and RB, of course.

They have a great opportunity to load up the DL and add a dynamic back. They need to do it.

And none of that stops them from taking an OL prospect or pass catcher who falls to them as BPA.

RunKC 03-11-2025 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17995373)
I stand by the idea that we should take a DE and DT in the first 4 picks and honestly I'm pretty sure I want to see us do it in the first TWO.

But we'll see how the board shakes out. Likely to be some real value at CB in there as well. Might be some at TE. Should be at IOL but it would seem we're full up there.

And yeah, developmental OT can be on the table on day 2 as well.

But I really think there's an excellent chance that the BPA for those first two pick is gonna be on the DL.

If we end up with 2 DL, a CB, another developmental OT and a RB with our first 5 picks, I feel like I'll be a pretty happy camper.

But I just don't see this team suddenly deciding that DT is a high value proposition in the draft.

I am extremely confident today that our 1st rd pick is gonna be a DL. And I don’t think they care that people know bc there’s just so ****ing many of them that one should be there.

Said this in another thread, but I’m also becoming more confident that 63 or 66 (or a trade up from 63) is gonna be for a weapon, most likely a RB.

The 66th pick would be so so good to add another DL though. The value there is gonna be really good.

DJ's left nut 03-11-2025 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17995900)
I am extremely confident today that our 1st rd pick is gonna be a DL. And I don’t think they care that people know bc there’s just so ****ing many of them that one should be there.

Said this in another thread, but I’m also becoming more confident that 63 or 66 (or a trade up from 63) is gonna be for a weapon, most likely a RB.

The 66th pick would be so so good to add another DL though. The value there is gonna be really good.

Wouldn't be shocked to see them move back out of the 2nd to recapture day 3 draft capital. With the Titans 3rd, they're coming up again pretty quickly.

Maybe there's someone they can't risk losing at that spot so they'll take him and trade down with the 3. But I can see them using those two picks in some fashion to build up 3rd day capital. I just can't see them going without picks for two rounds.

RunKC 03-12-2025 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17996161)
Wouldn't be shocked to see them move back out of the 2nd to recapture day 3 draft capital. With the Titans 3rd, they're coming up again pretty quickly.

Maybe there's someone they can't risk losing at that spot so they'll take him and trade down with the 3. But I can see them using those two picks in some fashion to build up 3rd day capital. I just can't see them going without picks for two rounds.

I brought this up as an option for trading down from pick 66. Only issue is I think Veach’s nature is not to trade down. To my knowledge he’s only done it one time (Skyy Moore).

I have a feeling Veach is gonna use that Sneed pick to bargain a deal for a move up to get his favorite DL.

I posted an example yesterday of 31 and 66 for 24 and 97 pick swap with Minnesota which according to the draft chart is fair.

Feels like that’s a Veach move bc he’ll get a guy he thinks is a legit blue chip player and still keep a 3rd rd pick in a super deep draft class

Dunerdr 03-13-2025 08:32 AM

With the comp picks awarded I think it’s more likely he moves up in the middle somewhere and still gets plenty of stabs at the draft. Sits just his nature at this point lol.

Couch-Potato 03-19-2025 11:26 PM

Advanced Stats: "Pass rush win rates for this edge class in actual dropback pass situations (no screen, RPO, or PA), as well as pressure allowed rates for this tackle class in the exact same scenario.”

https://bsky.app/profile/brettkollma.../3lkqrgfsfle2h

*Not DT, but figured I’d post here

JPH83 03-20-2025 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 18004006)
Advanced Stats: "Pass rush win rates for this edge class in actual dropback pass situations (no screen, RPO, or PA), as well as pressure allowed rates for this tackle class in the exact same scenario.”

https://bsky.app/profile/brettkollma.../3lkqrgfsfle2h

*Not DT, but figured I’d post here

Very interesting. Said before I really like Josaiah Stewart, but I see no chance we pick a guy like that, sadly. Swinson is a guy who I really like but only really recently checked out. I also like Ashton Gillotte.

Guys I don't particularly like at all are Landon Jackson, Kennard, Ivey and Princely.

JPH83 03-20-2025 12:18 AM

Que Robinson isn't a guy you hear a lot about, but man there feels like there's a lot of upside there as mid-round pick. Again, doubt we'd pick him. But every measurement seems to suggest he's winning a LOT

Couch-Potato 03-20-2025 05:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 18004006)
Advanced Stats: "Pass rush win rates for this edge class in actual dropback pass situations (no screen, RPO, or PA), as well as pressure allowed rates for this tackle class in the exact same scenario.”

https://bsky.app/profile/brettkollma.../3lkqrgfsfle2h

*Not DT, but figured I’d post here

Re-instills my interest in David Walker

DJ's left nut 03-20-2025 07:55 AM

I find myself moving towards Omar Norman-Lott in the 2nd round.

That kind of interior pressure would just create chaos because there are so few teams that have it that there are few teams we'd face built to stop it.

It's one of those things were simply being unique can create an advantage for you.

He's one of those guys I'm looking at when I say that I don't really care much about prospect age at a certain point. I mean folks will look at Norman-Lott and Jordan Phillips and say "Well Jordan Phillips is only 20, ONL is 23 -- Phillips is clearly a higher upside prospect..."

I just can't get there. I don't see a 6'2", 315 lb guy in Phillips having a growth spurt. Or getting faster. Now getting out of Maryland's program into an NFL program might be a big deal for him but that would be a big deal for 24 year old Darius Alexander going from Toledo to an NFL program as well. At that point it's not age, it's situation.

I think people might look past ONL a bit because he's a little older and has never put up eye-popping numbers. But he's had 2 really good years at TN and just creates problems on the interior. I think he's a perfect get if he's there for us in the 2nd.

RunKC 03-20-2025 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18004095)
I find myself moving towards Omar Norman-Lott in the 2nd round.

That kind of interior pressure would just create chaos because there are so few teams that have it that there are few teams we'd face built to stop it.

It's one of those things were simply being unique can create an advantage for you.

He's one of those guys I'm looking at when I say that I don't really care much about prospect age at a certain point. I mean folks will look at Norman-Lott and Jordan Phillips and say "Well Jordan Phillips is only 20, ONL is 23 -- Phillips is clearly a higher upside prospect..."

I just can't get there. I don't see a 6'2", 315 lb guy in Phillips having a growth spurt. Or getting faster. Now getting out of Maryland's program into an NFL program might be a big deal for him but that would be a big deal for 24 year old Darius Alexander going from Toledo to an NFL program as well. At that point it's not age, it's situation.

I think people might look past ONL a bit because he's a little older and has never put up eye-popping numbers. But he's had 2 really good years at TN and just creates problems on the interior. I think he's a perfect get if he's there for us in the 2nd.


Josh Farmer and Omar Norman-Lott seem like great values that will be there. And there’s a ton of Omenihu type DE’s who will be there too. There’s so many of them. And even guys like Elijah Roberts who would give them a much better version of Mike Danna with way higher ceiling playing outside and inside, a lot like Kobie Turner in LA.

The amount of talent that’s going to be available on the DL really makes me wonder if the Chiefs will use their 1st rd pick on offense just bc of the litany of excellent DL that will be pushed down the board. And I do think these guys are gonna get pushed down the board.

Maybe Luther Burden? Maybe Omarion Hampton if he falls? Maybe

I still think Harmon is who they’ll want but he will likely be gone. And man I have been sold on Scourton bc his ceiling is noticeably higher than Karlaftis.

Feels like they’re gonna completely reset this DL and get multiple guys with those 4 top 100 picks.

kccrow 03-20-2025 11:00 AM

Much like DJ with Norman-Lott, who I really like as a situational pass-rush guy, my guy at DT has really become T.J. Sanders. If you can allow him the same freedom he had at SC to just create havoc, he's going to be special. He needs some coaching up on pad level and needs to add more mass to become a better bull rusher, but man can he add some juice to a lineup. He's also pretty damned stout against the run.

He kind of fits in that no-man's land for us though. He may or may not be a top 32 guy but he's a top 48 guy. So, do you take him in 1 because he's not likely there at 63.

DJ's left nut 03-20-2025 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 18004370)
Much like DJ with Norman-Lott, who I really like as a situational pass-rush guy, my guy at DT has really become T.J. Sanders. If you can allow him the same freedom he had at SC to just create havoc, he's going to be special. He needs some coaching up on pad level and needs to add more mass to become a better bull rusher, but man can he add some juice to a lineup. He's also pretty damned stout against the run.

He kind of fits in that no-man's land for us though. He may or may not be a top 32 guy but he's a top 48 guy. So, do you take him in 1 because he's not likely there at 63.

That's why I keep circling around ONL

I just think it's damn likely he's there at the back of 2 and we just don't have the picks (with plenty of need) to be moving up.

I could see us moving the Thuney 4th to get into 5 this year and go after a RB, but I don't really see a good justification for moving up. And with the depth of the DL class, I don't love the idea of reaching a bit either.

I mean if you came out of that draft with Harmon, Ersery and ONL with those first 3 picks, I don't think that's necessary demanding miracles and it's a KILLER haul. If not Harmon, Scourton.

I agree with you that Sanders is caught in between but more than anything I feel like there are closer analogues to him that WILL be there at the back of 2 than there are at DE.

kccrow 03-20-2025 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18004389)
That's why I keep circling around ONL

I just think it's damn likely he's there at the back of 2 and we just don't have the picks (with plenty of need) to be moving up.

I could see us moving the Thuney 4th to get into 5 this year and go after a RB, but I don't really see a good justification for moving up. And with the depth of the DL class, I don't love the idea of reaching a bit either.

I mean if you came out of that draft with Harmon, Ersery and ONL with those first 3 picks, I don't think that's necessary demanding miracles and it's a KILLER haul. If not Harmon, Scourton.

I agree with you that Sanders is caught in between but more than anything I feel like there are closer analogues to him that WILL be there at the back of 2 than there are at DE.

You are thinking ONL in the 2nd? I was thinking more like late 3. I wouldn't hate it or anything, I just have some reservations about his snap share and his ability to hold up against the run.

DJ's left nut 03-20-2025 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 18004783)
You are thinking ONL in the 2nd? I was thinking more like late 3. I wouldn't hate it or anything, I just have some reservations about his snap share and his ability to hold up against the run.

I think what'll end up happening is that at the back of 2 I'll see someone I like a little bit better than ONL and I'll wanna go that route (Ersery seems a strong possibility) but then when that pick comes up in the early 3rd, I won't be able to hold my fire.

I'd be so bummed out if he got to us in 3 and we passed only to lose him prior to our late 3 that I'd almost certainly grab him with the Titans pick.

Ultimately I kinda use our pick and that Titans pick interchangeably in my head, though.

Chris Meck 03-20-2025 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18004095)
I find myself moving towards Omar Norman-Lott in the 2nd round.

That kind of interior pressure would just create chaos because there are so few teams that have it that there are few teams we'd face built to stop it.

It's one of those things were simply being unique can create an advantage for you.

He's one of those guys I'm looking at when I say that I don't really care much about prospect age at a certain point. I mean folks will look at Norman-Lott and Jordan Phillips and say "Well Jordan Phillips is only 20, ONL is 23 -- Phillips is clearly a higher upside prospect..."

I just can't get there. I don't see a 6'2", 315 lb guy in Phillips having a growth spurt. Or getting faster. Now getting out of Maryland's program into an NFL program might be a big deal for him but that would be a big deal for 24 year old Darius Alexander going from Toledo to an NFL program as well. At that point it's not age, it's situation.

I think people might look past ONL a bit because he's a little older and has never put up eye-popping numbers. But he's had 2 really good years at TN and just creates problems on the interior. I think he's a perfect get if he's there for us in the 2nd.

I'd have no problem with that. ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL, I agree with Veach's tendency to look at the younger player first. But if a guy is a unique talent, he's a unique talent. And you may be right about Norman-Lott.

RunKC 03-20-2025 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18004389)
That's why I keep circling around ONL

I just think it's damn likely he's there at the back of 2 and we just don't have the picks (with plenty of need) to be moving up.

I could see us moving the Thuney 4th to get into 5 this year and go after a RB, but I don't really see a good justification for moving up. And with the depth of the DL class, I don't love the idea of reaching a bit either.

I mean if you came out of that draft with Harmon, Ersery and ONL with those first 3 picks, I don't think that's necessary demanding miracles and it's a KILLER haul. If not Harmon, Scourton.

I agree with you that Sanders is caught in between but more than anything I feel like there are closer analogues to him that WILL be there at the back of 2 than there are at DE.

Do you like Ersery as a LT or RT?

kccrow 03-20-2025 08:48 PM

Ersery isn't making it to 53 much less 63. Not a chance. I'd be a bit surprised if he makes it to 43

DJ's left nut 03-21-2025 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 18005402)
Do you like Ersery as a LT or RT?

If we were lucky enough to get him in 2, I'd go ahead and put him at LT and see what happens. He played LT in college, we don't need him to play this year. So I'd play him where I think he'd make the best transition long-term and I think ultimately that would be at LT.

The problem is an obvious one - if Moore is good at LT and you have Taylor's big cap number next year, the slide over to RT feels inevitable. And Moore has been buns at RT throughout his career so you really don't want to move him over there.

So my plan costs us a year of valuable development time if you see him as your long-term RT. And if the Chiefs decided to use the 2025 season to redshirt him as he transitions to RT, I would completely understand that.

But I think he has LT tools and would love to see him stay at LT to fully develop them and potentially replace Moore at LT in 2027. If Moore proves to be more than average to slightly above average at LT and you extend him, so be it. But I think Ersery's tools are significantly better than Moore's and he has the raw talent to be at/near a pro bowl level with patience (and maybe then you see Kingsley or even Wanya make the shift to RT).

DJ's left nut 03-21-2025 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 18005486)
Ersery isn't making it to 53 much less 63. Not a chance. I'd be a bit surprised if he makes it to 43

yeah - I'd say it just depends largely on how many of these OTs in this draft are actually OGs.

There are a few guys more 'ready to play' than Ersery who, if teams think they can stick at OT, might go ahead of him when we don't expect it. Milum, Savalahwhatever from Arizona, Jackson, Mbow, Zabel -- if there are teams looking at those guys as genuine OTs then they might be more polished enough to the point that they end up ahead of Ersery.


If that pushes him from, say, the 6th ranked OT to the 10th ranked OT, then you might see him fall to the back of 2.

You're probably right, but I won't close the book on the possibility just yet.

JPH83 03-21-2025 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18005861)
yeah - I'd say it just depends largely on how many of these OTs in this draft are actually OGs.

There are a few guys more 'ready to play' than Ersery who, if teams think they can stick at OT, might go ahead of him when we don't expect it. Milum, Savalahwhatever from Arizona, Jackson, Mbow, Zabel -- if there are teams looking at those guys as genuine OTs then they might be more polished enough to the point that they end up ahead of Ersery.


If that pushes him from, say, the 6th ranked OT to the 10th ranked OT, then you might see him fall to the back of 2.

You're probably right, but I won't close the book on the possibility just yet.

The PFF simulator often has Ersery available with our 2nd pick, and I've regularly gone Harmon, Ersery, ONL with those first 3. Or Scourton when Harnon is gone. I think Harmon is gone by 31 and Ersery by that 2nd pick, but as you say, it's not impossible, and holy s*** that would be nice.

I've repeatedly tried to shoe-horn a faster edge into the equation in the first few picks, but I've given up hope on that happening. If Spag is going to insist on bigger, powerful DEs over speed and bend, f*** it, I'm onboard with the creating chaos from the interior plan.

RunKC 03-23-2025 09:29 AM

Okay fellas. How do you rank the DT’s for us today?

smithandrew051 03-23-2025 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 18007685)
Okay fellas. How do you rank the DT’s for us today?

As far as overall? Or ones that the Chiefs realistically have a shot at?

Chris Meck 03-23-2025 10:02 AM

Man, I really think Grant or Williams are perfect fits at #31. There are a couple of guys in the 2nd that are possibilities, too.

We don't really need a 3 tech, you have Jones. What you need is a NT to complement him. You've got guys that can rush inside in Danna and Omenihu. You NEED a NT.

RunKC 03-23-2025 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 18007702)
As far as overall? Or ones that the Chiefs realistically have a shot at?

Yup. Your ranked DT’s as of today that are realistic.

smithandrew051 03-23-2025 10:48 AM

Nolen
Harmon
Grant
Williams
Collins
Norman-Lott
Alexander

Something like that. I really don’t get how PFF is so high on Alexander. They had him as a top 25 prospect. That makes little sense to me.

smithandrew051 03-23-2025 10:50 AM

Anyone like Deone Walker?

That’s a massive human.

Chris Meck 03-23-2025 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 18007733)
Anyone like Deone Walker?

That’s a massive human.

Lot of potential, but sounds like he's largely been getting by...by being so large.

RunKC 03-23-2025 12:10 PM

1. Derrick Harmon
2. Walter Nolan
3. Kenneth Grant
4. Darius Alexander
5. Omar Norman-Lott
6. TJ Sanders
7. Josh Farmer
8. Vernon Broughton
9. Alfred Collins
10. Shemar Turner
11. Ty Robinson

Chief Roundup 03-23-2025 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 18007733)
Anyone like Deone Walker?

That’s a massive human.

His Relative Athletic Score is awful

smithandrew051 03-23-2025 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup (Post 18007909)
His Relative Athletic Score is awful

With that size, he’d be a sure first round pick if he were more athletic.

If you can grab him late, then maybe you can do something with him.

Has to be late though. Too many better prospects in this draft.

kccrow 03-23-2025 04:31 PM

Probably something like this right now. I haven't put much thought into pure ranking yet...

01. Mason Graham, Michigan
02. Walter Nolen, Ole Miss
03. Derrick Harmon, Oregon
**** Realistic Cutoff ****
04. Tyleik Williams, Ohio State
05. Kenneth Grant, Michigan
06. T.J. Sanders, South Carolina
07. Alfred Collins, Texas
08. Elijah Roberts, SMU
09. Joshua Farmer, Florida State
10. Darius Alexander, Toledo
11. Ty Robinson, Nebraska
12. Omarr Norman-Lott, Tennessee
13. Shemar Turner, Texas A&M
14. Ty Hamilton, Ohio State
15. Deone Walker, Kentucky
16. J.J. Pegues, Ole Miss
17. Jordan Phillips, Maryland
18. C.J. West, Indiana
19. Vernon Broughton, Texas
20. Sai'Vion Jones, LSU

RunKC 03-24-2025 08:22 AM

Kenneth Grant pro day. Woah

• Measurements (Pro Day): 6-3 3/8, 330 lbs
• Pro Day: Bench press: 27 reps, 40-yard dash : 5.07, Vertical jump: 31″, Broad jump: 8-9 1/2, 3-Cone drill: 7.65, 20-yard shuttle: 4.76

Chris Meck 03-24-2025 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 18008301)
Kenneth Grant pro day. Woah

• Measurements (Pro Day): 6-3 3/8, 330 lbs
• Pro Day: Bench press: 27 reps, 40-yard dash : 5.07, Vertical jump: 31″, Broad jump: 8-9 1/2, 3-Cone drill: 7.65, 20-yard shuttle: 4.76

That's the guy I want, right there.

He and Jones would wreck souls together. Perfect complimentary players.

RunKC 03-29-2025 12:02 PM

Would be a great pick at 63 or 66

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NFL defensive tackle prospect Joshua Farmer has revealed this about his communications with the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a>… �� <a href="https://t.co/MAGAMFnpMD">pic.twitter.com/MAGAMFnpMD</a></p>&mdash; Chiefs Blitz (@ChiefsBlitz) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChiefsBlitz/status/1906030438943952911?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 29, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

RunKC 04-01-2025 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 18007807)
1. Derrick Harmon
2. Walter Nolan
3. Kenneth Grant
4. Darius Alexander
5. Omar Norman-Lott
6. TJ Sanders
7. Josh Farmer
8. Vernon Broughton
9. Alfred Collins
10. Shemar Turner
11. Ty Robinson

Changing this a bit but still like the players:

Tier 1

1. Derrick Harmon
2. Walter Nolan
3. Kenneth Grant

Tier 2
4. Josh Farmer
5. TJ Sanders
6. Shemar Stewart

Tier 3
7. Darius Alexander (age is dropping him. 25 year old rookie)
8. Vernon Broughton
9. Ty Robinson
10. Omar Norman-Lott

I took out Alfred Collins and Tyleik Willaims bc I want guys who will be a force rushing the passer and I don’t think those 2 provide enough pass rush.

I don’t have him here but Elijah Roberts is technically a DE but I would draft him to play inside bc of his season measurables and elite athleticism/power. Would put him in tier 2 if he was strictly a DT.

Palangi 04-01-2025 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 18016302)
Changing this a bit but still like the players:

Tier 1

1. Derrick Harmon
2. Walter Nolan
3. Kenneth Grant

Tier 2
4. Josh Farmer
5. TJ Sanders
6. Shemar Stewart

Tier 3
7. Darius Alexander (age is dropping him. 25 year old rookie)
8. Vernon Broughton
9. Ty Robinson
10. Omar Norman-Lott

I took out Alfred Collins and Tyleik Willaims bc I want guys who will be a force rushing the passer and I don’t think those 2 provide enough pass rush.

I don’t have him here but Elijah Roberts is technically a DE but I would draft him to play inside bc of his season measurables and elite athleticism/power. Would put him in tier 2 if he was strictly a DT.

I like Deone Walker out of Kentucky in tier 2 also. He is a 1 tech that has pass rushing chops and would be a great fit next to Chris jones. His negatives coming out are very similar to what was talked about with Chris Jones that made him fall into round 2. I think we did an excellent job with Chris and could do the same here. Especially with Chris leadership on the DL. I also think we have a top level DL coach in Joe Cullen. He could be worked in slowly behind Mike Penell. Conditioning, effort, and technique are his big knocks, and like I said very similar to Chris. But he is mountain strong and has really good movement. And his length plays well to get into pass lanes.

RunKC 04-05-2025 06:43 PM

We are bringing this kid in on a private visit. He looks really interesting wow

That 40, 10, 3 cone and bench press goddamn

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Adin Huntington is a DT prospect in the 2025 draft class. He scored a 9.64 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RAS?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RAS</a> out of a possible 10.00. This ranked 74 out of 2021 DT from 1987 to 2025. <br><br>Small update for cone, ups his score a little bit. <a href="https://t.co/5GzbA84Cd5">https://t.co/5GzbA84Cd5</a> <a href="https://t.co/GRoKbWFQHR">pic.twitter.com/GRoKbWFQHR</a></p>&mdash; Kent Lee Platte (@MathBomb) <a href="https://twitter.com/MathBomb/status/1908635538820649097?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 5, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">New Tulane D-lineman Adin Huntington was ridiculously disruptive for Louisiana-Monroe last season. <br><br>Twitchy pass rusher with active hands and constantly knifing into backfield. Led all G5 IDL in pressures last season (48). <a href="https://t.co/zWtwonqkwZ">pic.twitter.com/zWtwonqkwZ</a></p>&mdash; Bobby Football (@Rob__Paul) <a href="https://twitter.com/Rob__Paul/status/1805392197744800018?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 25, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

kcbubb 04-05-2025 07:14 PM

Crazy athletic for that size

Chris Meck 04-05-2025 09:22 PM

There's your Wharton replacement.

philfree 04-06-2025 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 18020959)
We are bringing this kid in on a private visit. He looks really interesting wow

That 40, 10, 3 cone and bench press goddamn

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Adin Huntington is a DT prospect in the 2025 draft class. He scored a 9.64 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RAS?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RAS</a> out of a possible 10.00. This ranked 74 out of 2021 DT from 1987 to 2025. <br><br>Small update for cone, ups his score a little bit. <a href="https://t.co/5GzbA84Cd5">https://t.co/5GzbA84Cd5</a> <a href="https://t.co/GRoKbWFQHR">pic.twitter.com/GRoKbWFQHR</a></p>&mdash; Kent Lee Platte (@MathBomb) <a href="https://twitter.com/MathBomb/status/1908635538820649097?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 5, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">New Tulane D-lineman Adin Huntington was ridiculously disruptive for Louisiana-Monroe last season. <br><br>Twitchy pass rusher with active hands and constantly knifing into backfield. Led all G5 IDL in pressures last season (48). <a href="https://t.co/zWtwonqkwZ">pic.twitter.com/zWtwonqkwZ</a></p>&mdash; Bobby Football (@Rob__Paul) <a href="https://twitter.com/Rob__Paul/status/1805392197744800018?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 25, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Goal line and short yardage FB?

Tribal Warfare 04-06-2025 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris Meck (Post 18021124)
There's your Wharton replacement.

And a Leo Chanel RAS/SPARQ Freak

RunKC 04-08-2025 10:43 AM

Since In58men beat me too it, Chiefs have met with Georgia DT Tyrion Ingram-Dawkins.

6’5”
276 lbs
33.5 arms
9.75 hands

Like Vernon Broughton he was behind studs at Georgia but got his shot this year. Had 8 TFL’s and 3 sacks.

Elite athleticism. 2nd best 40, best 10 split, best 3 cone, best 20 shuttle.

**** man. There’s so many good caliber DL. I want us to trade down, get more picks and just throw numbers at it. That’s how good the class is.

Day 3 should be devoted to getting DL projects with high upside bc **** me theres gonna be a shit load of them available and that just never happens.

RunKC 04-09-2025 04:26 PM

Would be a home run pick at 63.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Joshua Farmer&#39;s skillset and flashes of brilliance are impressive. If he can find consistency, his potential is through the roof. <a href="https://t.co/yGCYBxYbbS">pic.twitter.com/yGCYBxYbbS</a></p>&mdash; Billy M (@BillyM_91) <a href="https://twitter.com/BillyM_91/status/1909775028142432601?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 9, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


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