Kelce retires and Colston Loveland somehow falls to 31...
 

Do you take him?

Man, it would be REALLY tempting. Rice, Worthy, and Loveland? Yeesh. We'd immediately change our overall speed on offense plugging him and Rashee in with X.

Kinda depends what else is on the board for me.

This.

I'm not opposed to any really good prospect at nearly any position.

But if Grant is there? I'm taking Grant. Him next to Jones would wreck souls.

He’s not falling past Denver or LAC

Yeah I don’t think it would be a good idea. Offensive line and defensive line. Let’s build where we really need to

No.

Frankly I’d rather take another WR in the first round than a TE.

582 yards this season and I’m meant to be excited about taking him in the 1st?

To me, Kenneth Grant is my #1 guy. You pair him inside with Jones an opposing offenses will have no pocket, ever.

For a TE at Michigan? That's like 800 yards. He had around 650 last year. Kelce had like 725 his best season. Maybe stop box score scouting?

He's an easy choice at 31, just don't think he makes it there. At DT, I think we'll be looking at Harmon out of Oregon or Williams from Ohio St. I'd be good with either of those guys too honestly.

Unless there are no reasonable options available, I don't see how the 1st round pick isn't an OT.

I'll just reiterate that Andy Reid can get about 700 yards out of any pile of shit scrub you put at TE for him.

At this point, I'm more inclined to build this offense around its WR corps. If one sees Egbuka and Loveland as similarly 'ranked' prospects, gimme Egbuka.

I want to see us gravitate more towards a WR-centric passing game built largely on 11 personnel with a faster RB in the backfield designed to keep safeties honest.

Unless a tackle or the top RB is there I think I do. I keep seeing mid round tight ends that don't really wow picked for us just for the sake of backfilling a tight end and I don't like it. I'd be interested in a premiere tight end prospect. Those wont be falling to where we pick very often. We cant have enough pass catchers on rookie deals right now. We've got two good receivers and the way I expect the board to break probably doesn't drop another one to us at 31.

I just think we tend to fall into the "Nobody will be available" trap sometimes.

I think someone will be there that we like quite a bit.

It could be Loveland. It could be Conerly. It might be a corner like Jahdae Barron. Maybe it's Grant at DT or Golden at WR.

This doesn't feel like the FAU draft where I just didn't see shit I was going to be happy to get (well, JP Jr seemed the obvious fit, but we had some CB depth at the time). And maybe it WILL be Omarion Hampton, but I wouldn't hate that decision either.

I think we'll have some nice choices available to us.

It's highly unlikely that a game ready OT is there at 31.

If Hamptons there vs Loveland I'd be sweating. Probably go Hampton myself. But I agree.

I'd take Luther Burden before I did that..

Does it concern you that he plays next to a guy that is expected to go in the top of the draft?

I'd be surprised if Luther makes it past 15-18. He might slide a little, but the tools are there and I think he's going to interview extremely well. He's a driven kid, has some of that WR diva stuff to him but he typically channels it extremely well into confidence rather than arrogance.

I don't think he'll be a turnkey superstar. He needs to learn the route tree a little better, needs to tighten up his route running. Needs to stop getting himself killed out there; goddamn does he take some gnarly and completely unnecessary hits.

But I think he'll be one of your more conventional "year 3 leap" sort of WRs who has a really nice progression arc.

I think a big part of that is getting hung up trying to meet "needs" in the draft. If you just look at LTs, which everybody wants, the pickings are probably slim at 32. That's why you can't approach the draft with a "must do this" attitude.

Is Hampton RB2 in this class for you?

In a vacuum he's probably RB2, yes.

I just like Henderson more for us. But I also recognize that Henderson probably can't hold up to 250 touches and Hampton probably could.

I mean it's hard to not call Jeanty RB1. The production was just SO loud. And he absolutely has the tools.

But after him, yeah -- Hampton is RB2, Henderson probably 3, Sampson 4, Johnson 5 (just not explosive enough) and Judkins 6.

After him -- hell, I might like Tuten more than anyone left. Then maybe Jordan James, Neal and....uh...Sanders out of South Carolina?

I mean there's just not a lot of separation to me after that top 5.

We have lots of needs.

And so people keep convincing themselves that every player at every need position we have will be taken.

But we don't have UNLIMITED needs. While other teams have needs at positions we don't, those guys are gonna come off the board. We don't think about them much because we aren't really looking at 'em, but other teams are.

Yea, after that group, I'm probably out. Give me a guy like Khalil Herbert instead on a cheap deal.

He's going play next to Chris Jones. The only people that should be worried are every single offense that has to deal with that for the next few years.

Nah, you watch some video on him, he jumps out. He'd be a perfect running mate for Jonesy.

You gotta let us know who else is on the board to make that determination

Well Loveland is a guy that would take a very unexpected fall, so assuming nobody else like that does, would you take him over the pocket of guys we're expecting in that range.

Ultimately, you just have to keep stacking good football players. It almost doesn't matter what position.

It matters a little bit.

Not in the sense of chasing need, but in the sense of trying to form an offensive identity. And if you're specifically looking to recapture the explosive offense than Mahomes was running back through the end of the Hill years, then yeah - the position and the skill sets do matter.

There are benefits to both approaches, but it's possible that the team has a target they're specifically striving towards in terms of style and identity. If that's the case, specific positions and tools do matter.

I'm less interested in speed in a TE. Now they cant be a lumbering stiff but Kelce has taught me understanding football nuances is more important to move the sticks.

Kid looks really good. I hate that there’s a strong chance he’s gonna be playing in our division.

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I wouldn't hate it if Kelce retires. Worthy/Rice at WR and Gray/Loveland at TE, add a RB in the 3rd/4th. Sign Cam Robinson and I think you have an offense that should be immensely better in 2025.

I haven't read through the whole thread but the question comes to mind..... Have we given up on Wiley ?

Nope, just not counting on him. Best case scenario you're going from the GOAT TE to a very talented and deep TE group.

I still prefer Tyler Warren but both guys are really good prospects.

Won’t happen but it would be the most hilarious thing in the world if Andy and Veach cuck Sean Payton again

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My bold prediction (that probably won’t happen, but would be fun if it does):<br><br>The Chiefs or Rams trade up to 18/19 to jump the Broncos/Chargers for Colston Loveland <a href="https://t.co/rrUvnLaRDS">https://t.co/rrUvnLaRDS</a></p>&mdash; SCOUTD (@scoutdnfl) <a href="https://twitter.com/scoutdnfl/status/1890485973663760548?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 14, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

One way to fix the offense without wasting premium draft picks would be to let Xavier Worthy play some. Worthy gets 1 to 2 targets a game, maybe a third if the Chiefs are down 40 in the 4th quarter. What if he got 15 targets a game? Imagine letting a playmaker have the ball not 15 times a season, but 15 times A GAME. That's what I would do to improve the offense.

In a complete vacuum, sure.

Do I think he makes it past Denver at 20? Nope.

Do I think we'll 100% resolve the LT issue outside of the draft? Nope.

Have we lost faith in Wiley? I thought we were all pretty excited about him.

I haven't lol. He was easily one of my favorite picks. He was just starting to get utilized in the offense too. Unfortunately we probably don't see much of him if any next season with he timing of the injury. Or at least not a 100% version.

To me it all depends on if we resign brown. If we do I’m cool with it, but if not I’d like Egbuka. My dream is burden since I’m a homer but he won’t be there when we pick. He’ll flash at the combine.

I doubt Egbuka is there either.

Feels like Golden is likely to be the best possible option at WR by the time we're up. And even that might be a stretch. Past him, I don't see a 1st round WR.

I like Golden a lot. There's a scenario where I could be pretty content taking him in the 1st. I doubt the Chiefs go that route, though. I think they'd really like to come out of that 1st round with a DL.

DL does feel like the best combination of need and BPA. I'd love us to sort LT, and load up on weapons, but neither seems likely. If we can't turbocharge the offense, we better fix the DL.

You know who I like in the 1st if we don't go for a LT on the DL is Tyleik Williams from Ohio State. I like him more than Grant. I feel he's got better burst and better ability to stack and shed. He's going to shut down the run and he can get after the QB one-on-one.

I wouldn't hate a top-2 rounds of Williams and Jared Ivey (DE Ole Miss). I think that duo could absolutely transform our DL into a beast.

Man, if you could pair a stud DT with Jones, that sure would be killer.

I like the A&M kid -- Scourton?

Seems likely that he comes off the board in the late teens, early 20s. And he might be best served as a 3-tech in an odd front. But he could fit us pretty nicely as an inside/outside sort of option. If we can handle DE in the draft, he could slide inside pretty easily. If we get a DT option, he can be one of those heavy DEs that Spags seems to like.

You wonder if the statistical decline after transferring might push him down a bit.

I'd get a bit of a kick out of something like Scourton and Walker in the first 3 rounds.

And the board could fall that way fairly easily for us.

Wanna supercharge that DL, that's a LOT of talent being infused. Though at a point, that secondary depth has got to be addressed. It could very well be overkill to throw that much draft capital at DL.

I like him too. I put him at #19 to TB in my 1st mock. I still see him as a top-20 1st rounder. If he goes to the Combine at 265 instead of 280+ and lights it up, he could be one of the top pass rushers selected. Even then he was constant disruption and a problem in the backfield. I'd love to have him though, man.

I love the idea of getting a DT and DE in this draft. I really like the Ivey kid at Ole Miss, and Walter Nolen is also a great option.

Deone Walker's upside also intrigues me. For a guy that big to be that quick and explosive is pretty special. Kentucky used him in some wild ways for a dude who is 6-5/330+.

Yeah DL is loaded with quality Spags guys. Derrick Harmon is really enticing for me. 6’5” 310 lbs and is really strong and athletic. 17+% pass rush win rate.

Would be a terror next to Chris Jones

I don’t have an opinion on Williams, but I question how badly we need run stoppers. We were top 10 against the run this season, shut down the #1 running back in the league in the Super Bowl. In fact, I’d question how badly we need a DT at all. Jones was #1 in the league at pressuring the QB from the inside and Wharton took a major step forward.

I’d prefer a DE to replace Danna, save’s us cap room and gives us a quality 4th guy on the DL. I have no faith in FAU. Maybe that guy is Omenihu, I hope so, but hard to tell after he sat all season with an injury. I’m partial to another guy like Omenihu, someone who is versatile enough to play both DT and DE (Ex: Jordan Burch) but also a sucker for pass rush specialists (EX: Mike Green).

The only DT on the payroll at the moment is Jones. So, Veach has to go shopping somewhere. We don't "need" a high pick there but it might be time to invest there as we haven't taken a guy even on day 2 since Saunders and Nnadi in back-to-back 3rds in 2018/2019.

Whelp, that’s a good answer lol

That was a loooong time ago.

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Seems to be slipping a bit in the projections, starting to get more and more interested in him.

I'd love to get a big NT type guy to pair with Jonesy as a complement in this draft. I don't a 3 tech type is the best move.

I don't want another heavy footed DE type. We sorely lack a win at the snap type. But that's just my opinion.

A great TE is a good idea, but I'd also really like an explosive RB-and I think I'd like that MORE.

But in all reality, you just have to stack good football players. What we really need is no misses in the first 3 rounds this year.

Wow, very impressive. No clue where he’s projected to be drafted.

A guy like that next to Jones would make life easier on Danna and FAU. Probably save us some bucks if Omenihu decided he wanted to get paid, as well.

I think Omenihu is gone.

Yeah, I do too. Not because I want him gone, I just feel he's going to be offered a few million more a year from a D-Line desperate team than we're willing to match.

Shame he got hurt. Would have been fun to watch him evolve in this defense with all the time he had here available to him.

After watching RunKC's thread on Elijah Arroyo, maybe we need to do a comparison between him and Loveland, and who would be more dangerous in Andy's offense?

I don’t see FAU being much more than rotational depth. Horrible waste of a first round pick by Veach.

As a Canes fan that absolutely loves Arroyo, Loveland is a significantly better prospect.

Doesn't mean Arroyo can't be the better player long term, but they both have very high ceilings, and Loveland is just a safer bet to get there.

He's 100% talking like a guy who thinks he'll be back FWTW.

He's been talking like a guy who wants to get paid big money for two years now. I don't know about that.

Yeah, I don't have those two in the same tier as prospects.

Warren/Loveland is Tier 1.

Fannin, Taylor, Arroyo, Helm are T2.

There's a big ol' mess of guys in T3. You have poor man's Taylor with Ferguson. You have poor man's Fannin with Gadsden. Poor man's Helm with Evans.

But yeah, I don't see Arroyo as being close to Loveland right now.

I don't think it necessarily precludes them from taking Loveland, but the Broncos signing Engram at least makes it much lsss likely.

If he doesn't go there, he might legitimately be in for a fall. If he somehow made it all the way to 31, you'd have to take him IMO. It has nothing to do with replacing Kelce either. It's all about the talent.