Does anyone else find it a bit concerning
 

That in multiple Super Bowls the Chiefs seem to come out extremely flat? They seem to really struggle to match the other teams energy level, especially early in these games. Last night they looked like they literally had no hype at all, like what is that?

Yeah, I really don't want to hear about "Andy Reid with two weeks to prepare" ever again.

The Chiefs weren't flat. They just got their ass kicked by a better front.

Defensively they were locked in from the first snap, too.

I mean, the defense wasn’t flat at all.

It was the offense once again that had zero rhythm and to be honest, that was the case in more than half our games this year. So I wouldn’t isolate it as a Super Bowl problem.

Our defense looked actually good early on...

Our offense looked liked shit, maybe that was because of how shitty our O-Line looked?? Needless to say, TB & Eagles loss both were because our offense couldn't move... That is what needs to be examined

As I just said in another topic, they've been flat in the first half of all five Super Bowls.

We got away with it in three of the games by getting hot in the second half and the other team doing some stupid things. Be glad that we're 3-2.

They didn't even attempt to move the pocket until it was 17-0, it was like they never even discussed "so what do we do if we just can't block these guys?"

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Our offensive points scored in the first half of Mahomes Super Bowls.

and we've been absolutely blown out in those 2 losses as well

Like what the hell are they telling these guys or doing? Aren't you supposed to be up for the SB? They aren't even coming close to matching the energy of the other teams.

Especially since Mahomes kept saying before the game the focus was on getting off to quicker starts.

And everything set up for them to do that… the defense held and got Philly off the field relatively quickly on their first drive… and then after that initial first down pass to JuJu, the Chiefs offense collapsed.

You always want to blame the coaching LMAO

Chiefs just ran into a more talented team, dude. They were all up.

It seemed like they were… hungover or something.

This isn't a yesterday thing this is an every SB issue.

Couldn't block up well up front and when we did pat had PTSD and ran right into the rush. WR's outside of Worthy sucked, Kelce is old. Defense looked OK, surprised we didn't spy him since he can use his legs.

Sooooooo you were too drunk to realize that one of the TD's in your 17 point statement is a result of a pick 6 that had nothing to do with the defense?

Patrick Mahomes INT Return TD takes eagles from 10, to 17.

Patrick Mahomes INT at what was it? The 15? Gives Eagles the ball to bring the game to 17, to 24?

Wake the **** up, you're sober now.

Please tell me Thuney pulled a Eugene Robinson before the game.

The team was up yesterday. They were not flat.

Have to wonder if the Nagy influence has hurt the rhythm. We just have so rarely found it on offense without running the ball a lot or a 2 minute drive.

Huge concern, offense looked like ass all year except maybe Pittsburgh game. Kelce is a shadow of his former self and I really am starting to believe he was the TRUE KEY to our monstrous offensive years a few years ago. Pat is great but he needs his Kelce/Gronkowski type player to be truly effective and unlock all of his abilities. Also the LT situation has turned into an absolute haunting nightmare now.

It’s quite simple.

Every team we play in the SB had a ridiculously stacked D Line.

Our 3 SB victories our offense hung in long enough for the pass rush to get tired late.

LOL I've watched Sam Cosby dominate this same defensive line. Rookie QB's have throw for five touchdowns against this big scary defense. Old broke down Matt Stafford threw for damn near four hundred yards in the snow against them. This was a pathetic effort from the entire offense. They all played tight and undisciplined. And the first twenty play script that Reid devised needs an exorcist. Good news is that this is a self inflicted disease the Chiefs have given themselves. Move Thuney back to his guard spot and get a serviceable (doesn't have to be ****ing Orlando Pace) left-tackle. Not advanced rocket science. They've got two dogs at receiver in Worthy and Rice and a young dependable tight end in Noah Grey and an alpha at quarterback so they'll be fine long term.

What?

That isn't a statement on the defense, it's a statement that they didn't attempt to do anything different on offense till it was 17-0.

Yeah I think it was more about being flat out outmatched.

The defense played their damn hearts out. And they played well.

The offense came out swinging. You can see it in their body language that they looked like they didn’t have an answer. You rarely see mahomes look stone faced. I just don’t know what you can do when your offense is brutally bad at protecting a simple 4 man rush

Soooo many things wrong with this statement.

First, only 4 teams in the regular season vs the eagles put up more than 20 points against them..

Second, NFC West is a DOG division, so to state how the "Rams" were able to put up over 20 like its nothing is another stupid statement.

Third, everyone knows the Oline needs to be addressed.

Fourth, Worth is a DOG now because he put up numbers during garbage time, and got a TD against the back ups? Shitttttttt.....

Fifth, Rice is coming back from an ACL, the majority of players coming back from these types of injurys NEVER have a good to great season, and are on record saying they don't feel the same the first year back, but ACTIVE players say otherwise to hype their salary/agents up.

They played a deep zone with only 4 pass rushers and we never ran the ball.

That is 100% on Andy. Dumb as could be.

7 total runs ENTIRE GAME + 4 by Pat running for his life.

They weren’t Georgia vs TCU outmatched… but they looked that way.

I just don’t know what we could have done tactically.

We couldn’t run the ball. The eagles could run their base defense and snuff it out. Running the ball opens up nothing.

Eagles didn’t even blitz and generated immediate pressure and sealed off Mahomes’ running lanes. They had more guys in coverage because nobody was scared of the run and they didn’t need to blitz. And we had less guys because we were chipping. It’s like trying to hype your guys up when your tallest guy is spud Webb guarding Shaq in the post.

I think were not giving enough thought to the Kelce decline. He was our get out of jail free card. Rice started taking that role last year and his injury left Mahomes without that easy button when its just not going right.

The rushed 4 and just kicked our ass up front, and they basically made the QB have to play in the pocket and he couldn't/wouldn't do it.

It's pretty simple.

The moment was too great. We're back 2 back good. We're not threepeat good. We'll find out next year if we're 3 for 4 dynasty good.

Well said, when you take away Pat's ability to run free out of the pocket he starts to look sub par, he needs to learn to dominate a game from the pocket, I think he can change this. The League has a very effective game plan against him now the way he currently plays.

This team has been spoiled by comebacks, thinking they can just **** around the first half in games and then flip the switch.

It doesn't always work.

They studied tendencies of the Chiefs OL and killed them..Thuney gives up his chest and Taylor wants to get vertical..so they responded by bull rushing them back 7 yards which immediately makes Pat uncomfortable. The interior wasn't god awful but when the pocket is being pinched that up and out pocket escape that Mahomes has been doing doesn't work.

Literally used all of his tendencies against him.

Yeah what probably saved our season last year was kelce going into God mode during the playoffs last year. What was missing last year was legit vertical threats. And now we have it and we’ve been unable to get Mahomes over those yips. I still think Hollywood’s injury hurt us more than we realize. The early season was our best shot to get Mahomes over those yips but instead his primary speed target was a guy still figuring shit out. Kind of like LT it felt like we were holding our intermediate/deep passing game together with masking tape.

Because with a healthy rashee we still really struggled to pass the ball without tunnel visioning onto him.

They're undermining the fruits of their own labor, eh comrade?

No pocket last night. He had to run for his life all night. But i get your point. Way back when we used to have a complete offensive line, he had no problrm dominating from the pocket. In fact, his stats were better from the pocket than outside of it, Believe it or not. Get him protection again, and he'll be the same way. It all starts up front.

Taylor got hit in the chest with the oh yuget from street fighter 2

Run more RPO and WR screens. Maybe even a few designed QB runs.

Not saying it would have won the game but it would at least keep the defense guessing. Dropping back on each play wasn't working.

The players effort ****ing sucked on offense man. Trey Smith getting destroyed on a pull by a 240 lb DE, Kelce AND Pacheco getting destroyed by a DE to give up a sack.

Kelce was an embarrassment this game. He was REALLY bad

FTR, Rashee injured his LCL, not his ACL IIRC.

Pocket??? ROFL What pocket? It was a total jailbreak rerouting him. There was never a pocket.

This is the answer right here. We were facing a young D that was playing fairly generic looks and we never made them think. We should have run alot of what we ran against the Bills to make them think a bit and perhaps integrate the run game into our approach.

That's right, there is nothing wrong with PM2 that a decent O-Line and a RB like Damien Williams won't cure.

Weren't we already 3 out of 4 good or maybe I've missed count and it is 3 out of 5 good?

Kelce's drop on the first drive set the tone for the game. Couple that with poor field position, horrendous game plan and crap OL play and it was a recipe for disaster by Mahomes. He was pressing and dug the hole deeper and deeper with his two INTs

Most QBs struggle when facing that sort of pressure.

The Giants harassed Brady like that in his best year with his best team back in 2007. They ended up scoring 21 points less than their season average.

Being able to get consistent pressure with four linemen is like a cheat code.

With our SB last year it was 3 out 5, It's a second or third tier dynasty behind the teams that won three out four or four out of six. We likely won't get another shot at the threepeat but not all is lost.

Next year we can join the three out of 4 fraternity with the closest attempt to a threepeat ever in our hat. It still puts us over the top but we have to win or start from scratch. The gap is much closer.

No idea if anyone will agree with me on this but also..

Blowout or not, when a dude double punches your QB in the face, has a history of being a total piece of shit...I have no idea why the Chiefs didn't just stand him up and cut him. At some point you have to send a message of what will and will not be tolerated. Taking a complete cheapshot at the QB's head should have you watching your knees.

Problem all season and we could not overcome it this year in the last game.

The line is bad. Tag and trade trey.

They used the same blueprint as Tampa. Pressure without blitzing. Allowed them to swallow up our players.

Our defense did great with what they had to work with and being on the field nonstop. They shit down Barkley running.

Offense did not keep their part up. After 10 zero. They should have started moving the pocket. I don't like nagy at all. He is bland. Uninspired.

Need to definitely fire oline coach. Bring in a zone scheme or someone to make them mean. They just don't seem bothered when they get their assessment kicked and get patrick killed.

Pat also needs to hone in on his decisions. Two direct passes got intercepted because he will not arc a pass unless it is a bomb.

Fumble not his fault.

Rice is not coming back from an ACL injury

We weren't getting that call with the game being over and the refs hearing the chatter.

Moving the pocket isn't some panacea, it cuts the field in half.

When you are getting your ass kicked up front like that, there's just not much you can do.

You can't play your LG at LT and throw in a journey man LG and hope to beat elite fronts.

I don't care if you get a call or not, the fact that he did that and the team didn't even respond is ridiculous. That is your franchise player and that dude jacked him in the head on a complete cheap shot.

Who are you talking about?

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The fact that this happened and didn't result in a fight or some type of message block annoys the **** out of me.

Yeah, I think this entire game was the result of our offensive line getting their ass whooped from play one. Had to show anything when you are getting your teeth knocked in.

Per Next Gen Stats, Mahomes had negative 1.36 EPA per drop back. If you look at the every NFL game that has happened in the past five years, it was the tenth worst first half any quarterback has had.

Rice is an X. He's playing the line of scrimmage. He's a pierre garcon\puca chain mover and he's built like a fullback. Nobody's asking him to be Rocket ****ing Ishmael. And the last I checked he didn't tear an ACL (lol). And as far as the Eagles defense...They got worked by a rookie QB and a team with no running game an even worse offensive line than the Chiefs (staring a rookie at left tackle)... in a game that had ramifications. And the NFC West? The ****ing Cardinals and a crippled washed up 49ers team? GTFO. Rams have an even worse running game than the Chiefs in 2024 and that's supposed to be their bread and butter. Yet they carved the Eagles and Fangio up because the Eagles have mediocre safeties and some suspect linebackers (same guy that mahomes torched against the 49ers last year in the SB is the Eagles starting line backer). You move Thuney to the interior and get an average LT (Brandon Coleman for example) and you can beat the Eagles. They're not the ****ing 91 Redskins.

Media hate against us is concerning. Houston and Bills coaching and players called out the NFL like they were making us win and then just like that we get our asses kicked and are on the wrong end of damn near every call.

You could feel it was over from the start.

The ****ing crowd was 90% eagles fans.

Chiefs fans can't afford these back-to-back-back Super Bowl games.

If only a USAID program existed to help us create diversity of fan base at the Super Bowl

Not just the Super Bowls. In the amazing 2019 postseason as awesome as it was coming down from double digits every game, why in the world are we constantly down double digits in the postseason?

Last I read Rice never tore his ACL, not sure if the injuries he did have are any better but this may not necessarily be the same as other players with ACL injuries.

Good question. Lack of urgency until they're tied or down. It's the same reason why they play so many close games.

Nah this a cop out. The offensive gameplan was terrible. The Eagles aren't that much better than the chiefs. Andy needed to jettison the script after the first two possessions. The run game needed to be part of the first half. We just let Philly pin their ears back all game.

Chiefs OL seems to get whipped by the NFC teams in the first half of these games. The biggest surprise is that the AFC teams haven't been able to do it for the most part.

I can assure you Sean Payton and Jim Harbaugh are already on the phone with the agents for every top notch front seven defender available in free agency trying to get them to come to the West and dethrone us.

Our division is going to be a goddamn gauntlet next year. This organization better be ready to respond, because as of right now we have been completely exposed.

Going to be really annoyed if either of them land Parsons.

Should’ve ran the ball more, was Pacheco injured? 3 carries and 7 yards isn’t going to help Mahomes or prevent the Eagles from teeing off on the pass rush.

It was a thorough beat down.
The offensive game plan sucked.
The OL couldn’t pass protect.
Mahomes got the yips.
Dropped balls when a semi accurate throw was made.
Run blocking had people running into each other.
The punter lacks any touch whatsoever.
The CBs lost in man coverage.
Rush D was pretty good, but the pass rush sucked.
Butker can’t even handle an onside kick we have LBs taking them.

Offensively, it was just a poor performance all around.

It's not a surprise it's just how the AFC and NFC are constructed currently. The best 4 QBs are unquestionably in the AFC. We have seen it time and time again if you can only have one elite side of the ball, you want it to be offense with an elite QB. So everyone in the AFC is investing heavily in offense and just trying to get by on defense. In the NFC teams don't have to worry about a singular elite guy so they draft in a more balanced way. Just look at the last two drafts in the first and second round tells you all you need to know:

AFC - 21 defensive players (9 first rounders)
NFC - 37 defensive players (16 first rounders)

So it's not surprising the AFC can't do it, they don't invest enough capital to try and make it work.

It is concerning but don’t try to sell this performance short.
This game was 34-0 on the 11th hour.

This team had 24 yards of offense 20 minutes into the game clock.

This was not any game. This was a game for immortality. The opportunity for any team to ever do this again is slim to none. It’s an inexcusable and irrefutable display of incompetency. I don’t care if the chiefs played 6-11 with no lineman in the game. It still doesn’t excuse the game plan and execution.

This team is not climbing the mountain again with Matt Nagy inside of it. Stop blaming HOF QB. He’s had about 60% of his career production level year to year since that man joined the team. It’s been awful to watch and we were purely lucky to win as many games as we did. Kidding ourselves of that adding a few players who won’t even be the best players in the league at said position will magically “fix” everything is naivety that will set us up for instant regression during the crucial and limited years of Mahomes prime.

Broncos have a very rich owner as well. They can play the aggressive void year game like the Eagles. Chiefs need to be willing to go down that path as well.

Dont think so, just tired. Mahomes was on the sideline sitting on the bench pre-game letting out big yawns.

The 2023 Ravens had the #1 Defense in the league. We were told before the AFC title game that the 2023 Ravens defense was one of the best defenses of the previous 30 years. They did a pretty good job overall in that game, holding the Chiefs to 17 points. Unfortunately for them, the Ravens offense crapped the bed with only 10 points.

The offense comes out flat in these games. We all knew eventually we wouldn't be able to make a comeback. Itd sure be nice to be the team that completely dominates an entire game for once. Seems like we never put a total 4 quarters together. I know complaining how we win is kind of dumb. A win is a win. Still...