Who is the first player/coach on Veach's guillotine?
 

A lot of people to choose from. But which person deserves to feel the blade first?

I do not think we can bring back Trey Smith with Creed’s contract on the books and the line showing it has more pressing needs at LT today.

I go back and forth about Nick Bolton.

Dunno. We have so many players to sign for next year, I’m not sure who is on the guillotine.

I don’t think D-Hop is back. Kelce is possibly done. I hope we sign Brown for a cheap deal after the flogging we got on his salary per health this year.

Should be Jawaan Taylor… unfortunately the salary cap ramifications will save him.

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He's not even a bad player. It's just that we are paying LT money for an okay RT and it's ****ing crazy.

The answer is probably Skyy Moore. Even though he had nothing to do with this game. What the **** is he still doing on the Chiefs roster??

Also **** FAU that stupid piece of shit. I genuinely couldn't believe what I was watching when staring at him lining up offside on a critical 3rd down play.

Yes and you might as well pay him and play him rather than pay him less and play a young guy you hope is better. He's fine. Gotta fix the left side.

Another Veach offensive tackle mastermind decision

Skyy and FAU, a wasted 2nd and 1st rounder, thanks Veach

DHop. That dropped killed any chance of a comeback.

Veach's recent draft picks for Oline have been ass. A bunch of others not so great.

His golden touch has worn off.

Last 2 drafts have been quite disappointing outside of Rice, Worthy and Hicks. In fact, I don't think I noticed Hicks once during that shambles. Did he even play?

Vengeance is the wrong way to look at it. There is a salary cap. We have holes to fill. Draft picks. A 17 game schedule and some playoff games to get through with injuries. Think of it as a jigsaw puzzle with a lot of missing pieces, where you only have to get more of the puzzle done than your opponents. The pieces change shape over time. And you have to bid for the pieces you’re missing. Guillotines are not useful.

No.

We said this shit about his ability to draft receivers as recently as March 2023.

He just needs to keep trying. LT is an extraordinarily difficult position but eventually he’ll hit on one just like he has twice now at WR.

I don't think his golden touch has worn off. We pick last or bottom 4 every round every year since Mahomes became starter. It just sucks all the best ones are taken by the time we get to draft one.

After that unmitigated disaster, anyone on that offense not named Patrick Mahomes or Xavier Worthy is fair game.

I'm sure Andy will really let himself have it when he looks in the mirror for that gameplan and failure to address the shitshow that was taking place, and instead just kept on keepin on with taking down his granny panties and letting Sirianni assrape him on the biggest stage.

Perhaps that's punishment enough. Christ. Imagine losing a ring to Nick ****ing Sirianni.

That was Omenihu

We are not or shouldn't give anyone a new or longer term contract this off season.

Smith is going to get a huge contract from some team. We signed Creed last season. We have to get a true LT and they are not going to be cheap in $'s and or cash. Thuney may retire and save us some cap room but them we need to replace him.

Kelce should retire. He has obviously slowed down and not much help to the team except in the locker room. Mahomes can handle that part.

The cover isnt bare and you still have McDuffie and Karlaftis for two more years and can franchise one for an additional year. Veach fixed the OL in one off season before, he can do it again so we can make another run at a SB.

I still believe in Conner and Hicks is gonna be a stud.

Too early to count out Wiley and Nourzad, too.

That didn't kill any chance of a comeback, it confirmed it was dead.

Ariaza is horrible and needs to go

Sky Moore

**** him too then!!

Nah that could of lead to a TD and only down 17 at half, and getting the ball back with some momentum right after half, too. I'm going to cry, that was a horrible drop

1. Other good teams pick near the bottom too including Philly.
2. You can move, make trades and get what you need. We have been stubborn in moving for Oline players or trading for talent. This has been a multi-year problem.

The only one who comes to mind is Nagy. There's no excuse.

It killed my hope. lol

Frankly, I'd let all free agents walk.

This is an opportunity to do a reset and, and you don't do a rest and play guys like Bolton, Reid, D-Hop, Brown, Charles O, Smith, and Wharton.

Now if someone wants to come back on a steel of a deal, I'll listen, but I'm not paying market rate to stay where I am at.

Did he really fix the OL though? We are still suffering at LT and the position has been bandied together with duct tape now for a couple years. We are going to "Andrew Luck" Mahomes at this rate with how many hits he takes from the blind side. Imagine if Mahomes wasn't mobile how many more sacks/hits he would take

That was Omenihu not FAU

We need LB's that have the speed to cover a TE or a back out of the backfield for 10-20 yards. He is a one dimensional LB. In todays game, thats not good.

Fine, but realize it will take 2 years of excellent choices in FA and mid-round draft picks to replace that many contributors, while everyone on the team gets older and closer to the end of their contracts. We probably need to keep half of these guys who make the most sense. Bolton, Brown, Omenihiu, and Wharton would be my priorities, based on production and perceived cost-to-value.

He's here one more year.

No on Bolton, He is way too one dimensional, too slow in coverage and teams took advantage of him despite Spags trying to hide his flaws from teams.

Bolton is the main reason why Saquon was nullified, just like CMC and Derrick Henry when they played us. He's worth the extension. We just need complementary LBs who are good in coverage.

2 years of excellent choices in FA and the draft is exactly what is needed, that is what the Eagles have had.

Bolton is a good occasionally great run-stuffer, but he's not worth paying to be a top LB, because he isn't. The Eagles have had more value from Baun and 3rd and 5th round draft picks.

Omenihu is fine but again we can't pay good money for OK. We are going to have to let a lot of these guys go, and that's fine

Will be interesting to see what Veach & Andy will do in this offseason. Lot of big decisions to make across the roster.

That was Omenihu

ya Bolton might be more important than some of us (including myself) have thought. He knows how to get in the right gaps, which is important

I’ve said it for a while and I know people don’t want to hear it. But we need a reset year. A year where we lose a lot of free agents, trade a few guys, stockpile draft picks. If we do that we set us up really nicely for Mahomes to enter phase 2 of his career where he can play great into his 30s. The sooner we do it, the more quick and painless it’s gonna be.

The unfortunate reality is that we may not know how much more Reid has left. It feels like he’s year to year at this point. If that’s the case I wonder if the chiefs try to run it back until the wheels eventually fall off.

This is the correct analogy.

I think I agree, tbh I felt something of a reset would be needed irrespective of the SB outcome. We can't bring them all back, the approach has to be to just review what we're getting from some of these players and what that's worth, same as every year.

To that end, I'd honestly expect to say goodbye to Trey, Reid, Bolton, Omenihu, Hopkins and a few others.

The Eagles got Baun for $3.5m and Sweat for $10m. They are better than Bolton and Omenihu, they certainly were this year. These are the sort of contracts we're going to have to nail.

I’d be trying to steal Howie Roseman’s draft guide.

Yeah, would be kinda handy to find the best LT in the league in the 7th round, or whatever. F**ker knows what he's doing.

Roseman is good, but that's just pure luck.

Yeah, and there are so many comments about 'stop doing this'/'start doing this', get an explosive offense back, etc.... well, yeah, if they could just summon 2019 offense with 2023 defense every season, they would have already done so. Sadly, this shit doesn't happen in hindsight and you're often dealing with one part of the jigsaw puzzle at the expense of another part.

They got embarrassed against Tampa and BV fixed the line in 1 offseason. It's clear to me that it's that time again. Defense wise, they gotta get a real edge rusher, not a "high motor/hard worker/overachiever" to take some heat off CJ and more DBs. There is way to much dropoff between the #1 and #2 DB and the #2 and #3 guys. And they have trash after the #3 DB.

Yeah man. This shit is really hard. There are a dozen reasons why nobody has ever won 3 in a row.

Step #1: Disassociate that name from the franchise.

The defense played a hell of a game.

It was the offensive line. Thuney and Caliendo were horrible. And Trey Smith can get paid somewhere else.

WBF

As was said earlier, it's time for a reset. My hope was to win this game, and then have a quiet rebuild on deck and just live with a down season, maybe even 2. We need to retool at a lot of positions. This season we will draft best we can at our pick 31. It would be nice to be picking in the late 20's. We need a rebuild.

I'd love to have his draft pick positions, not his draft guide. He didn't build that roster with a bunch of 30-32nd picks.

Mike Caliendo, we need you to take your playbook and meet Brett Veach in his office

That's pretty harsh. Ain't his fault he was asked to punch way above his weight because the LT spot was butchered in about the worst fashion imaginable.

Two Derrick Brooks on the outside to make up for Bolton in coverage, that should be easy to find.

We can give Bolton 100% of the credit for nullifying Barkley, but it didn't stop the Eagles offense because Hurts took whatever he wanted in the pass game. Where Bolton is a big liability and he's only going to get older and slower. Dropping Mike Pennell into coverage couldn't be any worse at this point.

But if Bolton's willing to get paid like a 2 down LB and, probably even more unlikely, Spags starts to play him like one, then by all means keep him.

Yep, it was really a wasted effort by the defense... had the offense kept it close (and not made it even worse every chance they got in the first half), I'm sure we would have seen Hurts under a lot more pressure in the 2nd half or at least the 4th quarter. That was really the one thing lacking, but they did a great job getting the Eagles to 3rd and long.

Weve been putting off a mini reset and it looks like this super bowl is probably the band aid that gets ripped off. Unfortunately we don't have a Tyreek hill get get extra picks with this time.

Let’s not forget that Roseman got a lot of talent higher in the draft than where KC drafts. He’s good, but he’s also not drafting 30-32 every season.

He's still drafting in the 20s. Usually late. The Eagles simply prioritize OL and DL over everything else. Its kept them competitive even when they shouldn't be.

Skyy Moore

Its not his fault he doesn't have natural elite NFL talent. Its the Chiefs fault but more specifically the NFL cap to have shit backups on the OL.

Nagy can go for all I care. But in my view hes just an easy scapegoat. This is Andy Reids offense. He gets the credit when things go well. Feels kinda wrong to just blame Nagy when they go wrong.

Everyone needs to look in the mirror instead of pointing fingers elsewhere.

Guessing there is no reason for a reset as long as Chris and/or Travis are playing at hall of fame levels.

To me a reset only really will be helpful if your blowing up the roster and need a season to get out of a few bad contracts. But it is not like we have anyone to move for picks. Not like we have a lot of bad deals.

Kingsley was very raw coming out. He was a premier developmental project.


We knew he was not plug and play.

I said mini reset. Similar to the Tyreek trade. Resculpt the roster and its direction. And it would be hard to argue that Travis is still playing at an elite level.

Both need to come back if possible. Not sure if they can bring Reid back... he played his arse off this year.

Entire offensive line needs to be looked at- I know Trey Smith is as good as gone but **** this play pisses me off:

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Letting a 240 lb defensive end absolutely stuff you on a pulling block when you're supposed to be one of the nastiest guards in the NFL.

Not really. 22 was the latest pick he had sans the 30 pick he used on Smith. He's had multiple 1st rounders to play with given trades.

I spoke to that here: https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/show...1&postcount=83

Having picks in the top 15 and even early 20's is a big advantage over picking at 31/32 most of the time.

I mean we only got a #29 trading Tyreek away and had to use more ammo to get to 21 where Howie has been repeatedly picking.

Why do they even have an OC then, is it NFL mandate they keep one? Supposedly EB brought accountability to the offense at a minimum and we should bring him back. Surely Nagy has some input into the calls with Reid, EB might have just been better at the limited OC role in KC.

Out of the options I think the bolded ones are your priority, one of them can be tagged. I know there were reports that they want to bring back Hollywood, but I think you just need to fill with youngins when it comes to WR, and possibly secondary for Reid sadly, but my decisions are more about anchors, Bolton being an anchor in the middle of the D will be more beneficial than others imo. Plus Spags loves Bolton, I see a tag or a new contract for Bolton. With WRs I think you throw two draft picks at them in this draft and take your chances, fill with FA leftovers. Reid is the strongest FA imo that we have, the rest have their issues, but Trey Smith is a luxury/familiarity we can't afford.

Trey Smith
Nick Bolton
Justin Reid
Marquise Brown
DeAndre Hopkins
Charles Omenihu
Tershawn Wharton
Kareem Hunt
JuJu Smith-Schuster
Justin Watson
Mecole Hardman
D.J Humphries
Mike Pennel
Samaje Perine
Josh Uche
Derrick Nnadi
James Winchester
Carson Wentz

I mean, kudos to Roseman for acquiring and stashing picks effectively to be honest. Also, it helps when you draft a stud LT in the 7th round.

I remember lots of people didn't like Smith because they thought he was too light. Tried to tell them, he sure doesn't play that way.

Since 2021 the eagles have picked in the top 15 3 times!
https://www.pro-football-reference.c.../phi/draft.htm

It's disappointing Wanya was a third round pick, Kingsley was a second round pick, and we picked up DJ late in the year only to have Joe playing LT. The alarm bells did go off in my head. I really didn't think we'd resort to that in the SB.

The consistency of this team works against us with the draft. Seriously, a down year for us would be drafting at 25 or something.

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Didn't make sense when they signed him and doesn't make sense now.

We all waved it away "Veach has won a couple Superbowls, we need to give him space to make it work"

"They are probably planning on moving him to LT eventually."

He is good, but lord that cap space is insane.