A Level Headed Review Super Bowl LIX
 

First and foremost congratulations to the Philadelphia Eagles on a fantastic game plan. They knew what our weakness was and they exploited it to the max.

First a couple of bright spots -

The Defense did a helluva job keeping us in the game for as long as they did. The final score should have been 29-22. If not for Pats two ill timed passes one for a pick six, this game is much closer. Hurts and Barkley had good games but it wasn't anything spectacular. Mcduffie had a very difficult assignment against AJ Brown and while he didn't shut him out he definitely didn't allow him to run wild. So major accolades to the Defense. One minor note to mention Bolton has to be using his head out there - the unnecessary roughness call was ticky tacky but don't even put yourself in the position to let the official make a judgement call.

Xavier Worthy really came into his own tonight (8/8 157 yards 2 TDs). Worthy has a very bright future with the Chiefs and will make this offense explosive again, Dhop has done a wonderful job of mentoring this young man. Outside of Dhop (late in the game) Worthy was the only receiver to have an impact on this game.

The Ugly -

This is the second time we have lost a Super Bowl because of our O-Line. Flat out each turnover was a direct result of the offensive line (Specifically the left side) getting their sh*t pushed in. Thuney is an amazing guard and a serviceable left tackle. But when you play the #1 defense serviceable just doesn't cut it. Caliendo is below average at guard and just got destroyed out there by a superior opponent. Offensive line MUST be something that is worked on in the off season. It must have been really telling about DJ Humphries abilities if they didn't even consider making the half time adjustment to move him out there and put Thuney back at guard.

NO RUNNING GAME - we saw so much success with running Kareem Hunt during the playoffs and we completely abandoned it. Part of it is the down and distances we found ourselves in in the first half and the lack of offensive possessions. The second half was playing catch up and no time to run the ball I get it but we should have tried harder to run earlier. But 11 total rushes in this game 4 of them by Pat is unacceptable.

Pat getting cute - a couple of times Pat could have rushed for more yardage and he tried his getting cute tricks to hold the defenders. They were on to it and not biting. He needs to learn sometimes you just take off running and get what you can.

Next year -

Even though he mostly disappeared in the playoffs (possibly due to game plan) I would like to see Dhop back if he has one more year. I would also like to see Brown come back on a one year deal again. Kelce looked like he was tired, I'm not sure he comes back for his final contract year - maybe he does, reinvigorated by this horrible loss, we will see. I think the defense is going to suffer the most with player losses as we won't have the money to resign them all. I believe Reid, Omenihu, and Bolton to name a few and others will be looking for another contract.

Lessons learned - Doesn't matter how many weapons you give Pat if you can't block for him you won't win. Gotta keep the OL in the forefront of our planning. As we have seen twice now Pat running for his life is a recipe for disaster.

Thank you all for reading my thoughts after games this year. I appreciate the feedback and enjoy trying to keep a lid on the crazy that permeates this forum at times.

See you during the draft!

Im disappointed but much less so than I would have been if we had lost to the 49ers in 19. We'll be back next year

D-Hop is done. He's going to be 33. He's not a good fit with this offense anyway.

Brown would be a great #3 WR depending on his contract demands.

Bolton needs to be back. They have nobody to replace him. Reid is hard to replace also but he'll probably get a bigger contract elsewhere.

Hopkins looks washed.

The assumption that the Chiefs were load managing him during the regular season for a postseason run, didn’t prove to be true.

Oh one other thought - on the Pat fumble, that should have been a RTP with both hands to the facemask of Pat as he was being stripped of the ball. Don't think it changes the outcome of the game but that was a bad missed call.

Heres my level headed review

Our O line got horse dicked, the end.

Looking forward to seeing what this offense can do with Rice back and a new left tackle.

I'll wait for the snap count but I didn't even see him in the game until the second half. It looked to be primarily Hollywood, Worthy and Juju with a sprinkling of Watson.

DHop has no place on this team, and shouldn't be back. Kelce looked fairly disinterested, will be curious to see what he decides to do, could definitely see him hanging it up. Would like to see Hollywood come back, see what he can do with more time in the offense.

The entire offensive line and game plan was an abortion.

Mahomes sucked. 90% of the blame goes to him. Defense played their best game of the year. Reid coached his worst game of the year. It happens

2 of mahomes/Reid game have come in the super bowl. Can't blame the online. Today was a really embarrassing performance. 2 ints, 1 fumble. This is gonna get talked about as one of the worst all time performances. Even Brady didn't choke this bad

Simply put this one is on Andy. When you get taken to the woodshed like that and the other team is just clearly better prepared and disciplined it's on the Head coach.

You absolutely can blame the o-line. That's absurdity. They didn't blitz one time all game and still had like a 55% pressure rate.

Philly got constant and instant pressure without having to blitz… explain how a QB is supposed to be effective in that situation.

**** usually the simplest explanation is the correct one. We got OL/LT screwed in TWO freaking Superbowls now, you'd think we'd learn after the first embarassment

Does the blitz lessen the 2 ints and a fumble? No right. Can't blame the defense on this one. Chiefs d got an INT when it was 7-0 and Mahomes responded with a pick 6. This game was offenses fault and it was Mahomes/Reid at the center of it.

I cannot remember a less exciting and innovative looking gameplan from Andy Reid in any recent game, we looked stale AF just awful

I guess we will have to wait for all of those special plays the team was saving for special occasions. Patrick only threw two passes more than 7 yards in the first half and both were intercepted. One first down and didn't reach midfield until the 4th quarter. Punting on their first possession of the 2nd half while down 24-0.

Heads should roll, yet they won't. Unacceptable for a team that has so many highly paid professionals to perform this poorly.

Yeah the OL was bad but the game plan was worse. We had Thuney on an island and Kelce blocking 1 on 1 with Sweat. Who the **** thought that was a good idea? Also why was Worthy a ghost in the first half?

No, this shit show is on Andy. It's shocking we had two weeks to scheme and this is the final product. It makes no sense.

Officiating had a clear message today that nothing was going to get called that favored the chiefs.

I don't understand this take. Veach has tried to get a LT.

He traded for brown Jr. He tried to pay brown Jr.

He's drafted LTs...yes I know it was 2nd and 3rd round but what LT was worth the 32nd pick in back to back drafts? They traded up to get stars...there were no LTs deserving of that pick. Bad teams reach. We'll see if he reaches this draft.

But he's been trying...

Hopkins is washed up, Travis Kelce is done. O line is trash. Defense is figured out. Salary cap and other things like aging players prevent threepeats.

Mahomes has a lot of years left

Broncos will be hunting ur ass in the years to come

The defense was fine.

Man it's tough to get blown out in the super bowl or not really being a game or however you want to look at it.

But the Chiefs have had a heck of a run and there's nothing to indicate that they can't retool a little bit and come out better.

But, but, but....

He was hiding all the good plays for the Superbowl.

Lmao.

You sure as shit can blame the online, honestly, that's the only possible unit to blame. I don't blame Thuney for not being a great left tackle though, that all goes upstairs.

You sure you were watching the same game?

I'm sure when he was drawing up plays, he was anticipating guys 3 yards into our backfield .05 seconds after the snap.

Trips right 289 Mahomes zig zag in the pocket until someone is open.

LOL. Lots of non-levelheaded responses in here.

Fact of the matter is it’s ****ing hard to win in the NFL. It is exponentially more difficult to consistently win in the NFL. It is ****ing unprecedented to 3 peat in the NFL.

This shit doesn’t happen for a reason. It’s ****ing hard.

We have some holes. But no. Heads should not roll, Reid, Spags and Veach should not make wholesale changes to their approach. No team has ever won back to back and made it back to the Super Bowl. Closest thing are the Brother****ing Cheatriot ****bags going to 3 straight and going win loss win.

What they’ve accomplished is nothing short of incredible. If they could have snuck out one more win over the last 60, they would be the greatest run of all time.

Heads should roll. :rolleyes: For ****s sake guys.

To be clear - this was not an offensive Eagles beat down as much as it was a Defensive dressing down. Had the Chiefs been able to move the ball this would have been a much closer game. But you can’t keep giving the ball to the other team and not expect them to score at some point.

The Eagles possessed the ball 14 times (including the pick 6) for 37 minutes The Chiefs possessed the ball 13 times for 23 minutes.

The pick six to make it 17-0 and the following interception just before half that lead to a TD to make it 24-0 was the back breakers. Neither of were the Defense fault.

Those 4 massive black defensive lineman of Philly prison raped our 3 weak white boys and 2 beta brown brothers who need some strength training.

They rushed just 4 guys all night and were in Mahomes face damn near every play.

Talent was the major difference, then the gameplan, and probably, frankly, some fatigue was also part of it.

The Eagles OL and DL are better than ours, as are their RBs and WRs. We've had an amazing run with this group but it needs freshening up, LT needs addressing and some of the holes need filling.

Why did Zach Ertz go for 11-104 vs zone and Kelce went for 4-34. Is the 34yo really that much better than our HOF guy playing for a chance to propose to the love of his life, or is our o-line that incompetent. Pressure% seems to indicate there’s an element beyond the o-line play here. Why did we miss Kelce once short over the middle and abandon that concept? Why did we have 2 rushing attempts in the first half. Why did we have 1 first down in the first 20:00 of play.

All personnel right?

I wouldn’t care if not for the threepeat. This is the most heartbreaking loss for me personally

Oline let us down

Both lt and rt need addressed and Thuney back inside

Vegas. All the money came in on the Chiefs. The house always wins.

Im with you except for DHop. Dude is DONE. On more than just the SB he had big drops this season.

And offensive coaching to some extent.

When Mahomes rolled out with nobody in his face and throw right to a diving linebacker in the middle of the field with no Chief in site....not to mention the depressed body language before the game. The league had to appease all of the cry babies out there that the league is rigged for the Chiefs.

yeah the defense wasn't the problem. they were just constantly on the field.

Don't worry, we will win again down the road and soft beta males will whine again.

Very different defensive schemes, to start with.

And different defensive personnel, sure.

I mean, not all personnel. Obviously any Andy Reid team is going to be pass-heavy, and the gameplan was clearly a bad one. But it was bad because our OL didn't hold up and our DL was as useful as a chocolate fire guard - they have more talent there, especially at OT. As for Kelce, yes he's better than Ertz, and Goedert and everyone else pretty much, even if he has dropped off. But the Eagles actually have LBs that can cover (who they're also paying peanuts), we don't. We have a great CB, they drafted what looks like 2 great rookies in one year.

It goes on. That Eagles roster is a juggernaut, no shame in losing to it. To beat them we are going to have to make a number of personnel changes and get those replacements absolutely right.

If someone told you Kareem Hunt would finish the game with 3 carries before the game, you'd probably assume injury instead of Andy going full Andy.

Are we allowed to talk about the refs?

OL will take a few years to get right m. No way to just go poof in one off season.

No.

NO.

Losers bitch about the refs.

We lost a Super Bowl, but we're not losers.

Media drove the two personal folks but their DL killed our OL. That was the game.

Excellent take. :clap:

They played no part in our loss.

When 5 or 6 guys can't block 4 you're screwed. And when PMII gets sacked and hit early and often he gets happy feet. And when coaches are too stubborn to ditch the gameplan and make changes to the blocking scheme it leads to a 24-0 halftime score. It looked like a close game until they imploded in the 2nd qtr and waiting to make changes until the half was stupid. The D played well but when you play a games worth of snaps in the 1st half they are gonna get worn down.

I'm at ease with the loss. I'd have rather had a win, but it happens. This will kill much of the bs refs narrative that has been around the past few seasons. There was no NFL conspiracy to get the Chiefs a 3 peat. A couple of crappy calls extended drives for the Iggles, the O line, particularly the tackles, got their shit pushed in, Andy decided not to run the ball at all in the first half. This is what you get.

I still don't understand why we didn't shift Humphries in at half and move Thuney back to Guard. Down 24-0 you really have nothing to lose.

Need WRs that can get separation. Period.

Especially with a shitty OL.

And devise a new running scheme....as our current one sucks.

This is a much more tolerable thread than the others where 1 bad game = fire everyone, clean house, and trade all of our picks for a LT.

FACT: We need to improve our O-line.

Also FACT: We have a lot of FAs especially on defense.

Like it or not, it's not a simple solution that can be solved with free agency. We need some of our draft picks on O-line to pan out ie Kingsley, Norzad, and Hansen. Between our two holes at LT and RG, we need probably one very good FA and address the other either with what we have or in the draft.

On Defense, Reid, Bolton, Omenihu, and Wharton are key FAs. I think we're covered at safety with Hicks in the wings, but we probably need to bring Bolton back and shore up the D-line in free agency along with 1 high draft pick in the first 2 rounds.

At WR I think we can bring back either Dhop or Hollywood on another 1 year deal bc neither had amazing production this year. That gives us a solid top 3 with Worthy and Rice.

At TE, I think Kelce comes back. He's fine. Still a top 5 TE. Hopefully Wiley can take a big step this year (a la Kelce in his second year).

The Rams were much more competitive and played Philly closer than the Chiefs, despite Stafford getting sacked 5 times.

Two big differences are the Rams being able to run the ball… Kyren Williams with 100+ yards rushing… and more production from their WR’s/TE’s.

Yeah considering that potential combo is what they thought we'd be when they traded for Humphries, I think Andy in his old age is resistant to change and likes to "stick it out" which can harm or be a good thing depends on the situation. Obviously it was rational to think they could have made that switch and see what happens, the left side of the line was getting stomped, the whole line was really

I think this is really telling about the gameplan that is out there in the NFL for teams to follow to neutralize Mahomes, Mahomes needs to reinvent himself along with getting an updated OL

And as lopsided as the top ended up being...it was worse because the top actually leveled out after the game was out if reach. We only had the ball for like 5 or 6 minutes in the first half. Nobody wins like that.

The front four getting constant pressure isn’t so much a game plan as a capability. Only the Eagles have a front 4 that can consistently get that kind of pressure without blitzes.

Once the Chiefs abandoned the run (apparently during the offense install last week) the Eagles D line could sell out on pressure….and that was it.

By my memory Hopkins dropped a sure 1st down just before halftime. And Kelce dropped two 1st downs.

Not sure any of it would have mattered as the poor performance of the O Line pretty well doomed any chance the Chiefs had. But just like the Tampa Bay Super Bowl the receivers failed even when Patrick did his part.

Not sure what preparation would have solved the problems the O Liine were having.

The problem wasn't penalties nor was it confusion about assignments. Philly's D Line was simply better than our O Line. And it wasn't close.

Doesn't matter what the offensive game plan is if you have no protection you will not be able to execute it.

yeah that's basically it as far as i can tell. we can doom and gloom all we want but if we had even a decent LT and keep Thuney in his normal position, we win this game by 3 or 7. Eagles had pretty much a perfect match up and had to not screw it up and to their credit they did exactly what they needed to do. We sacrificed being able to establish a run game to shore up the LT and it didn't work.

Fix the LT, don't lose all your WRs at before the week 6 bye and we'll continue the dynasty. At least next year we'll get to play the underdog because everyone will say we're frauds and the dynasty is over. And in 2027 everyone will have Chiefs fatigue again

90% is an absurdly high % to put on Pat. He has to wear some of it though. At least 2 of the sacks he had a clean pocket if he steps up. Brady mentioned Pat's happy feet/bad footwork several times and he was right.

OL was awful, especially the left side. The gameplan was really bad as well. Seemingly no changes coming out of halftime until about 5 minutes left in the third when it was already over.

Fix the OL and those other problems aren't enough to kill the game.

I would feel a lot better if we knew we have another chance to threepeat

Would be fine if this was just a one off random SB

Yeah, I was expecting some new and exciting stuff he had been saving up.

Nope. :huh:

it's been a couple of days now, and thinking about where we were before Reid came, to where we are now it's hard to be that upset. Still would have liked to have one but going from a Palko/Croyle/Thigpen QB controversy to "oh no we didn't win 3 Superbowls in a row, only 2" it's hard to be like that disappointed. And it's not like Mahomes is retiring and we're going to be wandering the desert for a decade, we have very fixable issues that can be solved in a season or maybe 2.

Key is to not let ten years go by before Pat gets his 4th ring like NE did with Brady...he's got to win at least 3 before he turns 40 if he going be in the GOAT discussion again.

Look closer at that play. Carter is being put in a sleeper hold before the slap. Both could have been called.

We're not spoiled anymore, at least I would hope to think not. This shellacking killed any chance of that infection surfacing. Bandaid ripped right off

This is being level headed. Thinking the game should of ended 29-22. Hitting the rewind button on multiple critical turnovers meanwhile still counting all 22 points that was scored of which 16 of which happened in garbage time and the Eagles pulling their starters.....yeah.

Here's a truly level headed approach. The Chiefs had a vastly inferior roster than the Eagles who were a Juggernaut and nothing they could have done would of changed the fact that they weren't good enough. The only 2 spots the Chiefs were better at were QB and Headcoach but then again the Eagles were good there too. So you get curb stomped in every single other match up.

The offensive line -Eagles vastly superior
The defensive line -Eagles vastly superior
Rbs - Eagles vastly superior
WRs - Eagles vastly superior
TE - The closest yet and probably they have the better tight end at this point in Kelces career as Goedert is likely a top 5 tight end.
Linebacker- Eagles vastly superior
Cornerbacks - Eagles vastly superior
Safteys - Eagles vastly superior

You cant just roll the ball out and say Mahomes is batman and can do it by himself. The offensive line was overrated and now we lost Thuney.

We talk Veach up like he's so good. We have no cap room and average talent outside of Mahomes at best and we still lost one of our best offensive lineman on the team when we were killed I'm the superbowl by their defensive line. We might as well not even show up next year. If the Eagles don't have tons of injuries we have zero chance of winning a superbowl if they are around.

I hope your first post on this forum is also your last post, pussy.

Why don't you dredge up every thread from the beginning of Chiefs Planet and show where everyone said anything you don't like? Sounds like a good project for you.

I can't believe it's only 2 1/2 months ago. Feels like more than 6 months.

Must be all the off season threads making it feel much longer.

Maybe we need to shut CP down for the offseason like a Maine vacation summer home.

Turn down all the utilities, forward the mail and close all the shutters......