Fire Andy Heck
 

That's literally all.

****er has to go. He's spearheaded two of the worst O-Line collapses in Superbowl history.

take a break man this isn’t it

Jesus

Connor embree has gotten so much shit. And what do you know, you give him two rookies with talent and they excel.

We didn’t give him talent to work with. He does not wear this

Name a single OT not named Fisher who has developed under Heck

People refuse to cast blame where it’s warranted. People will say Veach is the best GM then turn around and excuse Heck saying he hasn’t been given the talent to work with. Which is it? Is Veach not finding the players or is Heck not developing them? You can’t absolve both of them. Yeah it’s hard, but that’s the job.

It’s a combination of both. I would think heck would be on the evaluation process. He should bear some responsibility in who’s been drafted.

He isn't wrong, Run

Heck has been living on borrowed time, he's comfy binky Reid needs to get rid of and grow up

Andy has fired like two assistant coaches his entire 25 year HC career.

yeah. this isnt it.

getting dicked in TWO superbowls because you can't come up with a plan to mitigate the rush with an extra week to spare is also... not it.

Sirianni and McDermott?

This thread sucks

Assistant coaches he hired and then eventually fired.

Sirianni was let go as part of Andy’s house cleaning when he arrived in KC.

McDermott and Bob Sutton are the only two assistants, Andy hired and then eventually fired.

Who the hell is Andy Heck?

It.... kinda might be.

This O-Line talentwise is NOT as bad as it performed tonight. Yet, it was basically the same performance as SB55 in terms of pressure. How does that even happen?

I agree! Sometimes you can't make lemonade out of really bad lemons and this is all on Andy in my opinion. And we're not talking Andy as in "Heck" here.

I wouldn't complain about it if it happened, but I don't expect it to.

Dude has been awful. Believe he has the second highest paid oline in the League. He can’t develop OT worth a shit! Fisher was only decent one but he was average and a number overall pick! He thought a rookie and Morris would be good enough for us to go into the season. We need new ideas and motivation from a new oline coach.

When you play in the Super Bowl against superior defensive lines, and you have a backup line, you will never survive and that's what happened in 55 against Tampa Bay. We had three starters out. This Super Bowl we had a duct tape offensive line with two mediocre at best tackles. It is about talent and we don't have it at our tackle positions.Nuff said.

I’ll tell you what, it sure helped when we brought Joe Cullen in as d-line coach. The defense went to another level when came onboard.

Won't happen, but I've lost all faith in Heck. They have 3 supposed Pro Bowlers on the line but can't give Patrick any time to throw. Granted I know they are weak at tackle, but come on.

Jawaan has been fine minus the penalties. Trey has been fine. Creed has been fine.

If you want to complain about Caliendo and Thuney, fine. But we got pressure from EVERY angle this game, with only 4 rushers.

Can we do better? Sure. But there is NO excuse for the O-Line performance tonight. The talent difference is negligible and we got historically worked.

I want someone to explain how a team that went to the SB two years ago was able to build dominant offensive and defensive lines. I'm not even going to consider the money paid for Barkley and Brown, let alone Hurts. The Chiefs have spent a lot of money on their offensive line and it was ineffective to say the least.

Name a single OT we cut who has thrived after we cut them.

Oh right… Donovan smith was so good teams were scared of how good he was
Wanya morris is going to be a tier 1 free agent if we let him loose

We have an elite gm. He hasn’t hit the mark on one position. He has proven time and time again that when his feet are put to the fire he will fix it. The Houston game was a clear sign we were playing with house money for a while. Our OL was an issue and bandaids can only take you so far

Personally, I think Patrick and Travis cover up a lot of issues with the offense.

yep. and when we aren't getting overpowered by four man rushes we were regularly letting defenses manipulate the pick ups and pass offs with our o-line protections. stunt pickups have plagued this team for as long as i can remember and that shit has NOTHING to do with talent and everything to do with coaching.

so save me the talent horse shit when you got 3 pro-bowlers on the line. heck has been here for a ****ing decade and has developed dick at tackle. cash in the pink slip.

I don’t think it’s entirely fair to be hard on ourselves for not getting everything right given how good we’ve been. The patriots kept their dynasty alive with huge swings every few years (see Randy, welker, etc…) but also rebuild years where they’d stockpile picks. We’ve kept our window open for an incredible amount of time. There is a reason a threepeat is unprecedented.

The remarkable thing about our success is that we’ve never had a true rebuild or reset. Just insane success at the bottom of the draft order

I see high priced free agents like Jawan Taylor and Orlando Brown jr that came here and regressed under Heck.

Let’s hire dick curl

There's no coach I want gone more than Heck. He sucks.

Obj is playing about the same level of average in cincy

And Taylor is playing at about the same level of average as he did in Jacksonville

Taylor wasn’t great but it’s clear where the biggest issues were today and it was on the other side

Mike Munchak

Fire everyone! Cut Mahomes! Or just simmer down. It was a great run. The eagles havea really good team.

Someone said that there are only like 3 elite OL coaches in the NFL in any particular season.

I kind of believe that.

The truth sucks, love hurts

Mike Munchak is interested coaching again.

Funny how Washington had former Chiefs Wylie and Alegretti on the OL as well as a rookie 3rd rounder at LT and they didn’t look nearly this bad with a rookie QB. Sounds like a BS excuse.

Clearly there are multiple issues here, and yes the talent is one of them. Mahomes is also a mess right now. The OL coaching and offensive coaching as a whole is a mess. The play calls suck. The offense is stale and unimaginative right now. I don’t know what the best answer is right now or what the biggest problem is, but I do know Andy Heck is at least part of the problem.

Except we’re not stockpiling picks either, we’re making stupid ****ing trades for guys like Uche who can’t see the field.

They also lost Sam cosmi their best oline man in the Detroit game before they faced the Eagles. Teams with far less talent have a better showing

So where is the gameplan to mitigate this obvious weekness? You think maybe, running the ball on first and second down, then a screen on thrid and 5 might have helped? Yep, tell them mfers on the left side to block like nomal and when they beat you get ready to block the second level we throwing screens.

Yeah we’re not stockpiling picks because teams with Super Bowl windows generally don’t do that. I can’t imagine why.

So instead we trade for guys like uche. But apparently forget that we also picked up Kareem hunt and Deandre Hopkins out of nowhere. And the year prior bringing mecole back. And the year before that bringing in Toney to make a critical punt return. But yeah let’s obsess over uche not working out

Uche trade was a waste, Kingsley and Morris are now wasted picks as well, we need to draft BETTER

It's not just Uche, also Neil Farrell. I just think they've been a bit too cavalier with their late rd picks the past year or two.

That’s a little premature. Kingsley and Morris may very well be starters at RT and RG next season. If they suck then, maybe it’s time to jump ship on them. But giving up on two non first round stud type O linemen because they couldn’t thrive on a championship level team at LT seems a bit much.

Guys. We lost a game that has never been won. Ever. There's a reason for that. It's extremely hard to 3 peat. The NFL has DESIGNED it that way. Nobody has done it before.

But you know what else? NO TEAM HAS EVER GOTTEN AS FAR AT THIS TEAM HAS IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL. We're hurting today, but the future is still bright as a thousand suns. We ain't done yet.

We clearly do but it has to come with the context that we’ve drafted exceptionally well at most other positions given our draft position. It’s not like we’re drafting poorly. We’ve drafted exceptionally well. We just haven’t figured it out at one particular position

What's Mike Solari up to these days?

We will, I think this will get solved in this off-season

It's not a given though. Who knows what LTs will be available when we pick. Maybe Ersery or Conerly? Either is likely to take a while to develop and there will be some growing pains. Do they finally make a move up for someone like Simmons or even Campbell in the draft? As close to a sure fire thing as you can get but you're going to feel the pain of the traded picks, I personally think it's worth it over taking crap like FAU in the draft but that's just me. Either way, they have their work cut out for them and there's just as much of a chance that they **** around again and mess it up just as bad.

Get a LT and a stud rb and this offense looks drastically better

The Eagles last season had one of the worst defenses in the NFL. And their offense was so broken they couldn't do anything. That's how much can change in one season.

Because that’s so easy to do

well the last time he fired somebody he ended up replacing him with an absolute legend

Screw that. Fire everyone! What a dumpster fire!

Live look at the Chiefs Oline last night

https://i.imgur.com/Au92I2a.png

All 5 guys on the OL have been exploited and looked like complete shit too many times this season. There's a serious problem here.

Five lineman, Three probowlers and avg right tackle. So only one sucks . The most important. Other teams have less talent and cheaper olines and are able to scheme and perform better than this one! Heck’s the Problem!

Good ****ing GOD. Nolan Smith is 245 lbs soaking wet. This is embarrassing for Trey Smith. Unbelievably embarrassing to get owned like this with such a size difference.

This was on the players

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Nolan Smith has been an absolute nightmare for pulling linemen this season. Watch the knock back he gets on the right guard while Moro Ojomo makes the play <a href="https://t.co/Egi5CEoxC5">pic.twitter.com/Egi5CEoxC5</a></p>&mdash; Shawn Syed (@SyedSchemes) <a href="https://twitter.com/SyedSchemes/status/1888954955878248508?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 10, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I kind of keep coming back to this. Andy didn't really dial up the run or short game early to get in a rhythm but the players in many instances just got beat. Have to wonder if Treys agent was talking numbers with other teams this week and he wasn't focused. Our line was atrocious. Somewhat hard to blame our D. they weren't good but they never had a break either.

Its been talked about but not much for the last two years. Should we just chase big ****ing bull dozers like the Eagles or stick with the Reid philosophy of athletic line players. It kind of seems like the big line of the eagles even with fair RB's like the first super bowl can get something going in the worst situations run wise and attempt to get them back on track.

The guy is responsible for developing protection schemes and communicating with the OC and HC on what he sees as advantages or disadvantages there. What the **** did he protect us against yesterday? The ****ing Eagles' mascot could have got a pressure yesterday.

He's responsible for developing talent. Who the **** is he developing? Not a single one of our young players looked like they developed for shit this year. Not one. 2nd and 3rd round picks should at least develop into competent OGs and/or RTs. These guys look lost more than they don't, they take forever to develop into anything usable.

Heck needs to ****ing go. In a bad way.

Too bad we couldn't have snagged Scott Huff or Justin Frye but the Rams and Cardinals already snapped them up.

Just go get a good dude from the college ranks. Maybe Phil Trautwein from Penn State, Brian Callahan from Minnesota or Jim Harding from Utah.

The talent on the OL should result in a better product.

I’ve been saying it for most the season:

The whole is less than the sum of its parts.

It shouldn’t be this bad.

Caliendo completely whiffed on the above play. Can't have him back on the OL next year.

I’m really tired of Trey Smith tbh. One of the more overrated players we’ve had. He’s struggled in pass protection every year but bc he pancakes players and is Creed’s BFF he’s somehow good.

He’s not worth the enormous contract someone will give him.

He was fine when he’s cheap.

Can’t pay for what he is though.

Hell, I've soured quite a bit on the Humphrey deal and he's the top C in the league on any given Sunday. Paying Smith should be a non starter after what's happened.

Better yet, who the heck is Andy Hell?

Yeah, I'm not happy with Smith in pass pro the last couple of seasons. He's certainly not worth paying 20m dollars to for what you get there.

Exactly. Wanya Morris was supposed to take the next step up from his rookie year and actually regressed so bad he was listed inactive during the post season and superbowl.

You can kick Wanya inside and have him play RT in a pinch, that’s the natural progression for guys who can’t cut it at tackle.