Trade whatever possible for a LT prospect
 

I don’t care. If there’s a LT in this draft that they feel can be a good quality LT, do it.

I don’t care if it would cost three 1st rd picks. Mahomes is not gonna be this athletic for much longer.

It needs to happen

Yep, can't keep leaving Patrick unprotected.

Chiefs have no cap room how you fixing this team. So many holes next year

You’re a ****ing vagina

this team could be a little tired. I wouldn't even be mad if they had a shitty season next year, get a rest it's deserved go on vacation early and get some 1st round draft talent at LT. I don't want that to happen but I'm just saying I wouldn't be mad about it if it did.

Love this franchise but how fn dumb were they going into the season with no LT

Both SB blowouts the Chiefs had weapons and a decent defense and their QB got pressured at the highest rate in history

Pat with his cap number is a start, he can keep making $60 million a year with no help around him or he can help the team out

You’re an idiot!

How much are you willing to give up to trade up to draft Will Campbell?

Been pounding this table for 3 years now. It's time. Give up whatever it takes. It's THE problem that needs to be fixed in order to fix Mahomes.

Maybe seeing it happen a second time will hammer that home.

We have too many holes to fill can’t afford to trade picks .

Rebuild, it will be a short one

Then get used to Mahomes looking like this for the foreseeable future, we’re ruining him

JFC how can you dumb ****s not see how dire the tackle situation is

That shouldn't happen with an offensive guru like Andy Reid.

Horse porn lover says what?

Suamatia and Wanya are not legit shots at a LT man. Less than 10% of successful LT’s are from after the first rd.

Mahomes has had 7 LT’s since Eric Fisher got hurt:

Remmers
OBJ
Smith
Wanya
Kingsley
Thuney
Humphries

This has to stop

The only silver lining I can find in all of this, is that Veach is now forced into O line rebuild 2.0... this time with an emphasis on TACKLES

This is disgusting though, yeah the line is bad but where the **** were our skill players?

NONE OF THEM DID SHIT

Who is trusting Andy Heck to try to successfully develop yet another LT prospect?

Let's get Veach to answer this one for you

Thuney should have been moved back inside and someone else should have went go LT. That move made us weak at 2 spots tonight.

Andy is load managing Humphries for OTA’s apparently.

What is crazy is that with all of the evaluations they did, the Front Office thought Kingsley was the answer at LT, that should scare you. The NFL showed that was NOT the answer within one game

Reid liked him because he's from BYU.

Ironically, this is supposedly a bad draft for LT's.

Every other contending team has a really good Left Tackle situation. Not the Chiefs. They've been fiddle farting around at Left Tackle the last 2 seasons.

Buffalo - Really good Left Tackle
Baltimore - Really good Left Tackle
Philly - Really good Left Tackle
Detroit - Really good Left Tackle

I bet Orlando Brown enjoyed this game tonight. Maybe KC should have just paid him instead of Jawaan Taylor.

Right, that is looking like another terrible OL decision by Veach

Would be prudent to trade Jones and reset. But with his contract dont see how it would even happen. And Chiefs seem to care about guys feelings.

Well, one thing about Veach:

Veach can't draft or sign linebacker talent!
-drafts Bolton, Gay, Chenal, and finds Tranquill

Veach can't draft WR's!
-drafts Rice and Worthy in back to back years

Now it's Veach can't draft or sign OT's!
-I would bet he gets it right.

Ummmm. The Ravens LT is a free agent.

They'll probably bring him back. The bottom line is that he's a very good player who has helped Lamar a lot in his career.

It's too bad you have these stars at the end of their careers cause it would be great if they just could take s year off.

Not one single skill player besides Worthy and maybe JuJu did shit tonight, it was disgraceful... Reid has been given much to think about

Josh Simmons, if he medically clears that's the pick

The Chiefs offense is talent deficient.

Mahomes, Worthy, and Rice… all other skill position players are washed up or JAGs.

And that includes Pacheco.

While a lot of what I'm reading is reactionary nonsense I don't believe this is.

A franchise LT is rarely found outside the top 15 picks. Just isn't.

We have the QB. Our Defense is young and beastly.

Trade up for the LT. It costs what it costs. Veach just allowed the one thing he said he would not allow to happen again.

Fix it. Fix the line again...

Everyone is avoiding the OTHER obvious…we had no pressure on Hurts all night

We need a speed rusher. We need at least one guy that can win fast.

Spags hates speed rushers, if we drafted Nolan Smith he'd be inactive for a year until he gained 30lbs.

Yep. LT was my biggest concern going into the season. It was an issue all year long, and got us in the end. (Among other things). There was not an injury there, like in other areas. Things just didn't plan out as planned. And there was not a viable plan b. We moved in All Pro Guard to Tackle and went with a JAG at guard. Not the best situation, but it got us all the way to the Super Bowl. Im sure Veach will address LT this off season.

Missing on tackles in the top 3 rounds in Niang, Morris and Kingsley has really come back to bite us.

They were rushing four, bracketing Kelce and Worthy, and daring anyone else to beat them. Those other players couldn't do it, for the most part.

Mahomes had multiple opportunities to do the same thing he did in the long throw to Worthy but he wouldn't pull the trigger.

We literally tried to pay OBJ, dude. We offered him a contract that made everybody around here shirk.

Greedy dipshit turned it down and had to take less money to miss the playoffs every year in Cincy.

Nothing we can do about that.

A historic run didn't happen! We are cursed

Many of us told you suckers Thuney would eventually get exposed, and it happened tonight... playing someone out of position like that is always doomed eventually

Joe got worked tonight, and it didn't need to be that way

Thuney had some bad plays, but this game was a collective pants shitting by the entire OL. Creed included.

Ironically, Jawaan Taylor might have been our most reliable pass protector out there.

The story that came out from OBJ later on was that the Chiefs guaranteed money offer wasn't very good. Apparently wasn't too much different than the guaranteed money he ended up with in Cincinnati. And you're right, nothing we can do about it at this point. All hindsight.

He gave up the same number of pressures in the first half… four… as Jawaan Taylor.

At least Thuney has the built-in excuse of playing out of position.

What’s Taylor’s excuse?

This franchise is never going to have a “shitty season” as long as Mahomes plays for them/remains healthy so I don’t understand why this is ever brought up as a realistic option.

And that’s besides the point that wasting a year of Mahomes’ prime is horrific management

I mean, it's certainly possible to have a lot of close games go the wrong way. Bengals had that problem this season even with Burrow playing at a very high level.

Chiefs won a ton of close games the last couple years. If you're winning 80% of your coin tosses, what happens if suddenly your win rate on the coin tosses is more like 50%? Struggle to make Playoffs, or just miss the Playoffs outright.

Bengals choked basically every close game this year while also having a horrific defense and they still nearly made it.

It’s not impossible that Mahomes will ever miss the playoffs but it’s exceedingly unlikely in this expanded format.

Amen. We need a LT desperately, but we also cannot field another DL that brings no pressure without blitzes.

No idea why we seem uninterested in a speed rusher, but I really don't care if they're just a situational one only used on obvious passing downs. We need to able to threaten the QB QUICKLY and with a 4-man DL.

Campbell could be a top 5 pick- it would nearly impossible to move from 31 to around 5

They did it to Tyreek.

For significant draft capital it would have to be McDuffie

I would bite your hands off at swapping McDuffie for a premier LT but i don't we'd get what we need from trading him.

IMO it's too difficult to draft a LT, i'd prefer we trade the #31 and our TEN pick for an existing NFL talent. We've shown we can find players in FA to fill smaller holes like Tranquil, Omenihu.

then draft R2, R3 hit on 2 of RB, TE, DE

I said this about Alt, and people assured me that Veach knew what he was doing.

Then I got flamed because I was pissed at Veach for failing to trade for a legitimate LT. Signing a guy who hadn't played in a year due to injury was not securing the LT.

I don't actually like saying I told you so, because it means something negative happened, but somewhere on this board I stated that it was probably going to cost us a playoff game or the Super Bowl, and all the people who told me how stupid I was for criticizing Veach would suddenly feel differently.

A good LT and an All-Pro LG may not have changed the outcome, but a competent veteran LT and an All-Pro LG are better than a backup scrub LG and a LG playing LT against that defense, or a Super Bowl caliber defense.

i'd trade a first rounder for a LT...can't put a price on that position.

Nobody considers #31 as a first rounder.

Nobody.

Dangling #31 for a premier left tackle?

Nobody's taking that trade.

Then package #31 with something else...try and get in the top 20 to get someone. otherwise, it'll be the same thing next year with Mahomes running for his life against teams with athletic defensive fronts. they got away with it in 2022 and 2023 by avoiding those such teams. this year the line got exposed by Houston and Philly.

I’ve lost all hope on Andy Heck developing young tackles. Best would go out in the FA market (Ronnie Stanley) and get one that’s proven and pray Andy heck doesn’t make them regress like the other two that were brought in. Ah yeah, remember when Detroit lions asked if we wanted to have scrimmage games? Maybe we should do those. we can get true evaluations on our tackles. Morris and Kingsley going up at the likes of FAU and Mike Dana in practice have given us false evaluations. Also demote or better yet fire Heck and bring in Munchak as Oline coach.

It's not going to be possible to trade up. Move on the plan B.

You're not saying anything everyone doesn't already know.

Everyone wants a good left tackle, I'm just telling you what's real.

What's real is:

Nobody's all that excited about pick#31-or the fact that any package of picks is all second to last in any round.

This draft is not a good draft for left tackles, by all accounts.

This team is about to have a ton of holes everywhere as guys are up for free agency.

There's nobody worth a shit at all at left tackle that are free agents.

So yeah, this is not as simple as SPEND MONEY or PACKAGE PICKS TO MOVE UP.

The guy is not there in either pool.

Quite frankly the OL coaching has been piss ****ing poor recently. How many games this year has the entire OL just shit all over themselves for large swathes of game time? Off the top of my head there's the Bills, Panthers, Raiders, Chargersx2, and obviously the Eagles. Stack that on top of the games where the LT near singlehandedly ruined the game plan
against the Bengals, Raiders, Broncos and we're up to at least a third of the games roughly.

Do you want the OL fixed as quickly as next year?

In that case, Suamataia and/or Wanya are what you got. Or overpay for Cam Robinson.

Rookie LTs don't do well, man. I don't know what to tell ya.

We could trade up to #1 overall to take the best LT in the draft and he'd have a ton of struggles that season.

They've pretty clearly already given up on Morris. Dude isn't even dressing anymore. It's Suamataia or bust for an in house fix or shell out top dollar for mediocrity with Cam Robinson and hope to God he can at least provide a baseline of competence that Mahomes can operate in.

There are plenty of LTs out there that are better than what we have right now. It may not be Jonathan Ogden, but we just need sufficient at this point...this is why Veech gets paid. It's his job to build this roster, not CP.

Ronnie Stanley? I'd probably take that, fix various other holes and hope to God next year's OT class looks better. On that...does it?...please tell me it does.

He's going to get paid. He's not an option for KC, not with $11M cap space.

lane johnson was drafted #4 overall and the eagles fell ass backwards into mailata in the 7th round. what do you expect us to do here with the 31st pick in the ****ing draft?

the only answer is gut guys, fix the cap allocations, and pay up big on ronnie stanley.

thats it. that is literally the only IMMEDIATE solution and it is going to leave you exposed elsewhere as a result. so pick your poison.

Show me your list.

I'll wait.

It's pretty much Ronnie Stanley or bust. And that would need Ronnie to want to leave Baltimore, where he's a good fit and has been his whole career. Move his family.

there's nobody else on the list that is guaranteed to be an upgrade.

You keep saying this, but there will be more than $11m cap space.

Alaric Jackson

None of what you said is true. We’ll see if any actually hit FA, but Stanley, Jackson,‘and even Cam Robinson are all viable upgrades at LT.

Guys like Simmons and Campbell are possibly within trade range with a significant trade up which may be necessary and worth it. Guys like Conerly and Ersery will likely take some development so pair them with Humphries as a short term option.

There are routes to go, doing ****ing half assed ain’t it anymore.

LMAO Pair them with Humphries? Why the **** would you even bother bringing that brokedick back after what just happened?

Because he clearly wasn’t fully healthy or ready, giving him a full healthy offseason to prepare. I have no faith he will stay healthy an entire season but he’s ot the worst budget option to pair with a rookie who needs a little development time.

I think Humphries, with a full offseason to get healthy and in shape, is the best option we can hope for in FA. He already knows the offense. He's a stopgap for a rookie.

The only guy that actually moves the needle in FA over Humphries is Ronnie Stanley and I don't see any way that Baltimore doesn't Franchise tag that guy. Alaric Jackson is probably going to get tagged too. Those teams are playoff teams, don't have replacements either, and just witnessed the problems it causes not having a guy.

I've already posted shit like Cam Robinson and Dan Moore in other threads. No thanks on either, and if I'm picking one of the two it's Moore not Robinson.

You might be shocked about Stanley, Baltimore is always hesitant to hand out third contracts. They seem to find OTs like they grow on trees, so I won't be shocked if they let him test the market.

Same with Jackson, from what I've read, the Rams aren't really keen on tagging him. If either of these guys hits the market, you pay them whatever the **** it takes to get them here, end of conversation. We're going to ruin Mahomes if we keep pulling this shit, enough is enough.

Topic here is one that’s easier said than done.

If there is a guy they love that they can get into position for, I think they will do that. Would need to be someone they’re certain about, like McDuffie and Mahomes.

But you have to be able to get into position. For that guy. And teams have to make the deal with you. And you have to not get sniped.

There isn’t a LT tree. Upgrading there isn’t as simple as deciding you’re going to upgrade there. It’s not Madden. You can’t edit a guy and draft him in the 6th round. You can’t sucked an AI into a trade.

The Chiefs have tried and will continue to try to find the answer at LT.

For as much crap as we have him, if you could do over one thing and just make Eric Fisher’s Achilles not erupt, things would look a lot different for KC.