Let's talk about the offseason (2025 edition)
 

Well. That sucked!

There are sure to be some big changes coming next season.

Talk about it here.

How about you and your family get in the car and start the engine and close the garage door and die

For me as a fan, I need to take some time this off-season top appreciate what an amazing run this has been. (And I don't see this team going anywhere anytime soon.)

Let’s hear it from all those in the draft forum saying we should draft defense in the 1st

I sincerely hope you get banned for this.

You've always been a prick! You don't know shit about football! Stick to wishing everybody Happy Birthday and shut up about everything else!

Banned from the GDT by pussy mods. I didn’t post anything not being said by everyone else.

This is a joke ****ing thread.

To be honest, I’ve always been fond of female breasts

It's only rainbows and fantasy in there at this point. I don't remember saying anything crazy and I got banned too. **** 'em.

If the mods are as pissed off as I am and want to take out their frustrations on me, thats fine I guess.

Thanks?

LT, G, and a whole new RB room

Get speed. Need a tackle and running back

I wish it was banned from all threads

So we blame Hammock Parties for being a minute early right? And Tribal Warfare for doubling posting the thread?

Good luck fixing this team. 38 players signed with only 11m cap

We’ll be fine.

LMAO

Never quit being CP, CP.

Time to stop the bullshit excuses that the “offense is not what it used to be earlier in Mahomes’ career” as if he’s currently 39 years old.

Mahomes is still in the prime of his career and for the offense to be this inconsistent/mediocre is a systematic failure.

And this is on Mahomes as well… he’s not blameless.

The Chiefs had less than a million in cap space after winning their first SB. They signed Mahomes, Chris, Sammy and a bunch of people.

It’s called future years

Yes, both should live in shame.

There's no need to wait for the offseason. Cut Caliendo's dumbass before the game even ends.

I’m bummed

That's actually not terrible for being a SB roster and a lot of deals that can be restructured. Oh, and 4 picks in the top 100.

He was just a byproduct of the failures at LT, requiring Thuney to be moved from LG.

As much as I love Kelce, it’s time to go. Pay Bolton, let Trey walk, fire Taylor and move morris to rt and Kingsley to rg. Use the money from Kelce to secure a decent lt via FA for 2 years and draft Jeanty

Obviously, but it exposed him for what he is. He's not even a capable backup.

Allegretti might have been the most missed player the Chiefs lost from last year’s team.

Fixing LT fixes two spots.

Let Trey walk and his replacement may well already be on the roster.

My dream is we fire Nagy and hire someone who actually adds something to the offensive room.

Since that won’t happen I hope we go all in on a LT.

Other than that, Mahomes has a lot of work to do with his QB coach to fix his deep ball accuracy and footwork and Kelce (if he returns) needs to get back into shape.

Nothing in this post makes any sense or has any reasonable attachment to reality. I will award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.

Ironic since deep balls were about all he was accurate on tonight.

Was just looking at Super Bowl odds for next season.
The Chiefs have the best or second best odds in most places.

I thought there was a thread identical to this one already posted? I should know, I posted it.

Sorry my emotional girly side is coming out (territorial wise) due to the loss.

Since the Mahomes era started, I actually feel like I need a break after the season is over.

It’s a good feeling

As they should. No other AFC team has proven they can consistently get to the playoffs AND kick the door down when they get there.

As a result, the Chiefs should be the favorite to make the Super Bowl every year until one of these other teams finds the same consistency.

This sucks. I hope they can get some of these guys back notably Bolton, J Reid, Omenihu and Wharton.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Notable <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Chiefs</a> Free Agents<br>G Trey Smith<br>LB Nick Bolton<br>S Justin Reid<br>DE Charles Omenihu<br>DE Tershawn Wharton<br>WR Marquise Brown<br>WR DeAndre Hopkins<br>WR Justin Watson<br><br>Extension Candidates<br>CB Trent McDuffie<br>OL Joe Thuney<br>DE George Karlaftis</p>&mdash; Spotrac (@spotrac) <a href="https://twitter.com/spotrac/status/1888792146360087033?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 10, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Does Mahomes have a dedicated QB coach? We know Mahomes is tied at the hip with Bobby Stroupe in the offseason, where's the QB guru in his ear?

Jeff Christensen is his personal QB trainer\coach

Legit hilarious post.

Agree this post is ****ing hilarious. Perfect CP brutality. Not actually personal (that I know of). Total emotional carnage. This banning is an outrage.

I was here on CP with most of you when we got our teeth kicked in most weeks and no playoff wins. Going to 5 SB's in 6 years and winning 3 is more than we could have ever dreamed of in 2016. I'm disappointed in tonight for sure but we are in a better place than we were pre-Mahomes. And we have 3 new SB trophy's.

One thing that helps me keep perspective on this is being a “Chiefs fan” first and not a “Mahomes fan” first.

That is not an insult to Mahomes at all. He’s the best QB in the league and could retire tomorrow as a top 3 all time QB.

I think some people get a little too obsessed with Mahomes passing Brady and don’t consider where the Chiefs rank amongst the other franchises.

Only the Steelers, Patriots, 49ers, and Cowboys have more Lombardis.

I fully expect the Chiefs to win at least a couple more with Mahomes. With the state of those other teams in that top tier, it isn’t unreasonable to think the Chiefs may well be the first franchise with 7.

Forget investing in an expensive Left Tackle. Let's just return to 1978's Wing-T Offense:

In 1978, Marv Levy, who at that time was the head coach of the Kansas City Chiefs, decided to employ an offense called the Wing-T offense. Many historians claim that Glenn “Pop” Warner first introduced the offense back in 1912, but there are several other former coaches who laid claim to its invention. Marv Levy did not invent it, but he utilized it in 1978, to offset the fact that he needed to use up the game clock.
Huh? Use up the game clock? Yes. Kansas City’s defense had surrendered over 300 points each year from 1975 to 1978. Levy wanted to keep possession of the ball and keep his defense on the sidelines, and the Wing-T Offense permitted his offense to do that. The formation utilized three running backs in odd locations in the Chiefs’ offensive backfield. It usually included a myriad of fakes and misdirection runs, and it almost always included a man-in-motion prior to the snap of the ball. Levy described the Wing-T as “grueling” and “consistent.” The key to its success was its deceptive nature.
Retired Chiefs historian Bob Moore explained that “Ball handling was crucial with the Wing-T, especially with the dimension of a third back. What caused confusion for the (opposing) defenses was the number of flows and split flows that the offense ran.”
In 1978, Levy’s Wing-T offense racked up 2,986 rushing yards, which was the second most in the league. The key to stopping the Wing-T was a defense with outstanding speed, in particular on the outside. A quality 3-4 defense such as that of the Denver Broncos...one with quick and active linebackers...was one defense which showed the rest of the NFL how to stop (or at least slow down) the Wing-T. Most teams did not have enough quality running backs to effectively run the Wing-T, and by the end of the decade, the Wing-T disappeared from the NFL.

Man this free agent class ****ing sucks man. They need to keep Hollywood Brown bc the rest of these WR’s are awful.

Diggs, Hopkins, Cooper, Cooks. Guys who were good 3 years ago LMAO

Christian Kirk is intriguing.

I've seen rumors the Jags might trade or cut him but they definitely don't have to.

Warm or cool

This is the year Vmoney can go for BPA in the draft...not reaching for LT or DE

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Agreed. Hard to imagine the Chiefs franchise tag Trey Smith. A transition tag is more palatable and plausible.</p>&mdash; Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) <a href="https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1891857423360565647?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 18, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Transition tag would still be north of $22M, but the positive side is it would quickly resolute itself. Basically would just give KC right to match whatever offer Trey accepts.

That isn't the worst idea in the world. You'd probably know the outcome within hours of free agency.

If you get outbid badly on Bolton and Reid both by surprise, you could always hit the Trey Smith button there and pay him (even if it may be an overpay).

No way I’d pay him that much. Dude really regressed this season, and got his ass kicked in quite a few games. Hard to believe someone already on the roster and much cheaper couldn’t come close to his 2024 campaign.

Transition tag is definitely an option. Franchise tag is just a nonstarter. Trey isn't worth it.

You wouldn't pay him 22M, you'd use the tag as a reservation to match the contract he accepts from someone else.

Odds are you still won't do that, but it may protect them from losing Reid, Bolton, AND Smith.

Am I wrong for only wanting a RG on a rookie deal at this point?

Nah, it makes some sense as long as you adequately address LT.

Because this year proved again and again that having literally the best interior OL in the entire league doesn't matter if your LT sucks.

Dead serious: Chase Young was the only FA we signed I’d be thrilled. I’d take him over Nick Bolton and Trey Smith without question.

I won't go that far.

I'll stand firm that we need to keep at least one of Bolton or Reid. Too much brainpower and tackling ability to lose in an offseason where our offense needs to be the main focus of construction.

I’d like Justin Reid back at the right price. Safety salaries have been bad recently so who knows.

I hope they don’t cave on Bolton even though I’m expecting them to. He’s not a top 10 LB. Never made a pro bowl or All pro. If someone offers him Fred Warner, Roquan Smith or even Tremaine Edmunds money…yeah it would be a disaster paying that much. If that happens you let him walk.

I wouldn’t be super pissed about Trey if they paid him. I’d get the logic to do that, especially after what just happened. I just don’t see it happening.

This is why if they do the transition tag initially I'll totally understand.

Because with the **** you money going into owners' pockets right now, who is to say some cap rich team isn't going to overpay all these guys just to spite the Chiefs? By now they all see they need to be weakened. What if the Raiders offer Bolton $20M a year?? And then the Jags offer Reid $15M?

It's not insane to think, and in that scenario maybe the transition tag saves us Smith at least. Would be brutal to lose 'em all without bringing in outside talent to offset.

A team isn't going to destroy it's cap to **** the Chiefs, that would be extremely short sighted. Those teams will make moves for players that fit what they want to do.

I don't think for many teams that destroys their cap.

Don't put it past some of these teams to do it. Many of them have dog shit rosters and can definitely afford to poke the bear. Nick Bolton and Justin Reid would be very useful for a number of teams, even if they have to pay $5M more per year than they wanna.

Bolton is actually a plus player. Trey Smith is way overrated. If either of them are worth that kind of money, it's Bolton. Smith should not be back.

If a team offers Nick Bolton $18 million APY or more then you call him up, thank him for his time here and tell him to go with God

I don't disagree. But if the number is less than that, you can bring him back.

There's really no justification for bringing back Trey Smith.

That would be Fred Warner and Roquan Smith type numbers. He's not worth that.

This. If it's between those two then there is absolutely zero question on who you keep.

The only LB's that are getting 18 AAV are the guys who incredibly athletic, Bolton isn't that guy.

Sometimes I think people kind of forget how good some of those top end paid LB's are, Fred Warner is like if you look Willie Gay and Nick Bolton and combined all their best traits into 1 dude.

I mean I don't want any part of paying $18m either but let's not act like it isn't common practice for new player salaries to pass old player salaries

Brock Purdy is going to get a bigger deal than Mahomes has, doesn't make him better or lead anyone to believe the 49ers feel that way either. You could certainly call it bad business however and that's why I don't expect Veach to do it. He hasn't made a habit of overpaying players yet and I don't expect it to start now...

He's not as good as any of those guys with those really high AAV's at that position...

Hate to tell you guys this but I think there’s a strong possibility that Bolton, Trey, Reid and Omenihu all get massively overpaid for what we would want to give them.

I could see Veach utilizing this for the comp pick formula and getting a lot of smaller deals to balance it out and getting two extra 3rd rd picks in 2026.

Omenihu isn't coming back he's vocal about wanting to be paid.

If they lose Bolton and Reid everyone is gonna lose their shit about how much the defense sucks, book it.

They're not going to lose all 4 of them.

I’d say the most likely outcome is we keep Hollywood and overpay Bolton. Wouldn’t be surprised if we lost Bolton though. Lot of teams could easily pay him $18 million without blinking, like the Patriots.

Could see Vrabel wanting him that bad

Everyone cried about how much the defense sucked this year while allowing 14 points in 3 quarters of football. It's truly bizarre....

Going to be some pains along the way like every offseason but I love that haters want to write the Chiefs off after their Super Bowl sugar high.

You take a look at the offense, position by position, Veach barely has to lift a finger to improve that group. After putting in work, he may just improve it by a lot.

QB = wash, but I believe we get locked in Mahomes next yr
RB = will be improved
WR = it's improved by default if Rice comes back the same guy
OL = LT upgrade is almost a certainty

Only TE stands to get worse, and if Kelce comes back, I'd argue it will get better by a function of Mahomes not forcing 120 throws to the old guy again.

Defense looks ripe to take a step back, but how far? Remains to be seen.

Point being, you mix it all up and yeah, they're going to be a different looking team that's still got a great shot to win 12+ games.

We need a combine/draft prospect(s) thread.

we have a whole forum for it.

There was a 3rd guy who started the GDT...not sure who it was.

I think DaFace started one with Nut's account and combined them all to try to put the whole annoying mess behind us.