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2025 OL Prospect Thread
Alright guys, let’s have ourselves a 2025 OL Thread.
Current OL Questions: 1) We’ve invested in OL, what are your thoughts on their development path and potential roles next season? ...Kingsley, Morris, Humpries, Caliendo, & Nourzard. 2) Thuney’s holding it down at LT fairly well and getting paid big money, are you open to him playing there or moving him back to LG? For the playoffs & SB or next season? 3) Are you planning on picking up Jawan Taylor’s contract option in 2026 @ $27m cap hit? 2025 OL Draft Prospects: Depending on where you look we’ll get a chance to draft one of the following O-Lineman @ #32: Jones, Milum, Williams, Ersery, Simmons, Savaiinaea, Conley Jr or Booker. Some OL prospects that CP members have suggested for rounds 2-4 include Ratledge, Membou, Mbow, Jackson, Nelson, Brown, Colby, Belton, Fairchild & Zuhn, C Grant. Not much consistency in rankings or rounds for these prospects yet. 1) Would you take an O-Lineman in the first round or wait until later in the draft? 2) Who do you have your eye one? Why are they a good fit? Are they starters or projects? 3) Please add your own questions, comments, player draft profiles, links, videos etc for your favorite OL targets below! 2025 OL Prospect Videos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gHlP2QlHI8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8AN0RTUowQ ^How to embed videos in post? (Please DM me?) |
Current OL Questions:
1) Learning to exercise patience is a difficult thing for fans and a team that is looking to win a Championship but we should probably do so with Suamataia and Morris in terms of development and roles for next season. Morris is a guy you can get by with as a swing tackle IF you give him some help. He has value there. Personally, I want to see more of him at RT. As for Suamataia, I think he has the athletic tools to start on either side but he just needs the time to develop the rest. We haven't seen him since week two. It sure would be nice to see him at LT against the Broncos to see where he's at but that might not be for more than a half if they try to get Humphries ready for the playoffs. Suamataia is the type of guy, where if you hit on him, changes how you approach the entire offseason. The real question is, will a rookie 1st round pick be ahead of where Suamataia is going to be headed into year two? I doubt it. The other question is, are there guys in this draft with a higher ceiling? I think there might be a few but is it worth it? Overall, I'd probably consider a one-year veteran stop-gap type to hedge my bets with Suamataia but he'd be given every opportunity to be the starter at LT in 2025. Maybe Humphries would come back on a deal like that but there are other options. Andrus Peat rode the pine in Las Vegas this year and can do a job there if the wheels come off. As for the OGs... Nourzad and Hanson looked really weak and behind in the offseason. Can they start next year? I'm not thinking they can, but they might be able to be reserves yet again. I think Mettauer will compete with these guys as well. Caliendo is absolutely coming back as an ERFA and might be the starter at RG. 2) I'm not especially open to Thuney playing LT for any significant period of time. He was an OT in college and was moved inside and became one of the best guards the league has ever seen. He's not a good OT though. He can get you by in a pinch with help. If Humphries can play, he'd be my LT with Thuney as my LG for the playoffs. Next season, he'd be my LG again. The biggest question I'd have for Andy Reid and Co. right now is why didn't they give the young guys as much help as they've dedicated to Thuney? 3) Absolutely not. If I did draft an OT this year, it would be with this idea in mind and not as much about my thoughts on the development of the other guys on board. 2025 OL Draft Prospects: 1) I might. If I went OL in round 1 it's for a guy I feel is an absolute fit at LT. 2) Conerly Jr, Milum, and Simmons are appealing. Any or all of those 3 could go much higher than 32. I think all 3 have the requisite athleticism to be a LT in the league. I don't see them as major projects though Simmons recovery from his knee injury is something to take into account. He injured it in October so you're looking at the probability he's back for training camp but he might not start to look like himself until midway through the season. |
We've already seen Suamataia against the Broncos though? He got absolutely baptized by Nik Bonnito.
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I guess, if only to see if they've made any headway in coaching out whatever technique flaw he had that led to him getting beaten so quickly and often by Bonitto. If Andy feels it's still needs work I think he'd be better served just sitting this one out. Reps really aren't all that useful if he's just going to get destroyed repeatedly again and further tank his confidence.
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Thuney didn't let Garrett through near untouched like Suamataia did. Thuney got outright manhandled multiple times but at least he provided enough resistance for the offense to function. Reid eventually got so fed up with Suamataia that he asked Morris to play hurt/injured instead.
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Curious to see who gets the reps to develop next game.
I’m open to another short term vet contract, but hope we find our own home grown solution eventually. Not sure if thats a 1st rounder, one of our current guys develops or we add another developmental guy to compete and see who grows into the spot. We’ll see. |
To have a homegrown solution, we have to let the guys develop. That means they need live reps.
Morris has a full year of development over Suamataia right now. Morris pretty much looked like total dogshit last season too. Morris gave up 33 pressures, 5 sacks, 7 QB hits, and 10 penalties in about 5.5 games of work and that all came at the end of the season last year. |
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Signing any of those 3 vets hinders Suamataia and Morris' development because they will sign for multiple years and start in front of both. The ideal veteran comes here on a 1-year deal. Maybe that could be Humphries. If you go with a 1st rounder, now you're just adding to the developmental group. That 1st rounder might be more ready to play but like I asked before, will there be a huge difference between that player and Suamataia in year two? That's a tough question to answer. Now, if your first rounder starts, Suamataia becomes your RT, and Morris is your Swing, then I'm not all that opposed but it's still a lot of youth developing. It's a tough call but I don't know if I support the long-term signing of a veteran. |
I think Crow boils it down pretty well above.
If we sign Humphries to stay next season, assuming he shows us some intriguing play at some point this season, that gives our “homegrown" OTs another year to develop. If an OT falls to us in the 1st that Veach, Andy, and our scouts really love then we can nab him and let him compete next season and the following for a starting spot. If no strong talent is available for us at the bottom of the 1st this draft, and we’re not happy with Morris and Sua’s development over next season, then we can nab a 1st rounder the following year or just take a 2nd-4th rounder this draft to develop for a season and compete with those two when Humpries and Taylor’s deals are up. Which brings me back around to Simmons, who seems to be considered a top tier OT who may fall due to his knee injury. If he were drafted by KC, and we resigned Humphries, he’d have plenty of time to heal up and the opportunity to play if someone gets hurt or he proves himself superior to the coaches. Final thought, if we’re planning on two rookie contract OT’s taking over in 2026 and Thuney’s departure then maybe that gives us more room than most think to resign Smith. Simmons, Thuney, Creed, Smith, Sua/Morris could be solid assuming extensions for our guards. |
The reality is historically if you don't get a top three tackle in the draft then its probable that they aren't ready on day one of their rookie season
With that being said trade up to 15 - 20 and get one assuming veatch and company identify one that's worth moving up for. If we have to go up higher than that then its probably going to be two number one picks which I am against. |
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I just don't see us taking a R1 tackle unless a serious fall happens for reasons outside football or something. They were ready to pencil Kingsley in day 1. There's something there that they like a lot. I think the move is probably bringing Humphries back on a reasonable one year and letting Kingsley develop in the off-season and fight for the job.
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Which of these guys that might be available at the bottom of the 1st would be worth taking in your opinion, if any?
Wyatt Milum Cameron Williams Aireontae Ersery Josh Simmons Jonah Savaiinaea Josh Conley Jr Grey Zabel Simmons and Conley Jr seem to be CPs preference currently, who else do you like? Jonah has position flexibility and Zabel scored a 100% pass block rating on DraftBuzz, that site is also high on Milum who I’ve seen mocked all over the place. Ersery is from KC! Williams doesn’t seem athletic enough for Andy’s preference. |
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Cameron Williams - Yes if you want a RT Aireontae Ersery - Not for KC, too slow. Might be a guy BAL pegs to replace Stanley Josh Simmons - Maybe but he's probably going to struggle his rookie year trying to come back from injury. Jonah Savaiinaea - He's either a RT or moves inside to OG Josh Conley Jr - Yes, but likely top 25 Grey Zabel - Not in Round 1. He will need a year to bulk up and adjust to the competition. Might end up at OG if he struggles to adjust. Love the athleticism though |
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Marcus Membou Armand Mbow Donavan Jackson Jack Nelson Logan Brown Ajani Cornelius Blake Miller Trey Zuhn Charles Grant Through some initial research I’m high on Nelson as a jack of all trades type, Brown and Grant have great athleticism to develop, Jackson and Zuhn to move to OG, and Cornelius has great potential at RT. Any others you guys think we should keep an eye on? |
I like Ozzie Trapilo in the third round. Has experience at LT and RT. 3 year starter
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"A mountain of a man (6-8, 310) with prototype NFL tackle size, Trapilo boasts the frame and length that offensive line coaches covet. His ability to stone-wall pass rushers and keep the pocket clean will have teams salivating, particularly those employing vertical passing attacks. The former Eagle has shown he can be a true bookend tackle, capable of handling both edge and inside moves. Trapilo's pass protection skills were on full display in 2023, as he didn't allow a single sack in 363 dropback snaps. His contributions were vital to Boston College's ground attack, which averaged 198.8 rushing yards per game, ranking 13th nationally and second in the ACC.
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Titans ending the season with the top pick does wonders for our Sneed comp!
If we win the SB we’ll have back to back picks at the bottom of the 2nd and top of the 3rd. This makes a trade up in the 1st for a quality LT more plausible in my opinion. By the trade chart, we could get up to approximately pick 20 by trading one of those picks. We’ll see if there’s a player worth making that move. |
I'm feeling like our slotting means we're looking at a project OT no matter what. So unless we're drafting the best OG in the draft, we're probably looking defense in the first and possibly second rounds. There are some stud DT/NT types that may fall to us, and it would be good to be able to not need to play Nnadi.
If you're going to draft project OT's, you need to give them more than one season to show out. |
I like Josh Simmons but he isn't gonna last that long, he was a top 10 pick before injury, someone is gonna pull that trigger.
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Milum was named a consensus 1st Team All-American. He gets knocked for short arms, lower body stiffness/lack of knee bend, and "middling lateral quickness." I don't know, the dude just wins every pass set, was an All-American Honorable Mention as a Junior, 1st Team AA as a Senior, and has multiple All-Academic honors. I find it hard to believe this guy won't solid but I see a lot of "he needs to move inside to OG" and "he's a 2nd round player." I think he's a much stronger and more refined version of Raimann coming out. Am I off base?
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Whelp, we can take Cameron Williams off the list.
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I wasn’t able to watch. I thought maybe he got hurt.
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Probably in the minority here and not really sure if it's possible with the cap but I'd prefer they sign at vet at LT
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Too early to give up on Kingsley. Any draft pick likely won’t be any better. Use the picks on BPA which almost certainly won’t be a LT. |
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The problem is...this is a shit free agent class for OT's.
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It’s early but it appears you’ll need a top 15 or so pick if you want a LT prospect worth a shit
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Probably been said already but Humphries needs a full offseason with the Chiefs to get into shape and be fully ready to play. The guy was rushed back so maybe some time with the Chiefs training staff he can become serviceable for a season while the young guys keep working to improve or we find somebody else in 2026.
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I'm not opposed, but it does depend on the price tag. One or two year prove it deal is fine. I'm not paying full freight.
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Sign Jedrick Wills
Trade out first rounder to the Giants who will miss out on the two to QBs and might want the 5th option on a guy like Jaxson Dart or Jalen Milroe. Get the 34 pick a fifth rounder and Evan Neal who might fair better as a LT. Hell throw Skyye Moore in too. The giants need WRs. |
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I mean lets go back about 10 years -- what plus FA OTS have even hit the market? Williams technically did but he clearly didn't want to leave SF. Terron Armstead. Orlando Brown. And then what? I mean the 4th best FA offensive tackle to have come available over the last decade may well be Kelvin ****ing Beachum. Maybe Charles Leno? Duane Brown? Quality LTs just don't hit the market. And if/when they do, they cost a LOT. They're not terribly dissimilar to QBs in that regard. If you can even find relatively young mediocrity on the FA market, you pay what it costs if it's a position of need for you. Or you keep plugging along and praying to get a little lucky. |
Yeah it’s Cam Robinson and DJ Humphries. Those are our FA options really.
I was out in Robinson until I looked at the stats and analytics/film review guys on X attributing the majority of the sacks Darnold took on himself. You just can’t hold the ball for an average of 3.1 seconds a snap. I think the entire Vikings line got screwed by that. Cam Robinson at a fair price point wouldn’t be bad at all. He’s probably in the Thuney range of “productive and won’t ruin games for you” territory. As much as I’d want to draft a LT I just don’t see it. The Conerly kid is going top 20 and Simmons will likely too despite his injury (he said he’ll be ready by training camp). I don’t want the Chiefs to do a Mahomes like trade up for one of these guys. |
There's nothing exciting about Robinson.
And frankly, we'll hate every minute of watching him be...fine...for $20 million/season. Unfortunately it may well be the best option available to us apart from doing what we did again this year. I'd rather get Humphry back on the Donovan Smith "low base+incentives" deal and I think that's PROBABLY the direction we go. But yeah, they're gonna call Robinson and see what he commands. And it's gonna be a lot. And we might just be the team that gives it to him. |
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I think the Chiefs are gonna let Robinson sit. They’ll wait on him and see if he’s available. If not I bet they pivot to DJ Humphries getting a full season to recover and be ready.
Just don’t see us paying Robinson that much |
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I'm convinced, wholeheartedly, that we won't get the old Mahomes back until he completely and unquestionably trusts his LT. Why should we care if we blow two late 1s and a 3 to get a stud LT? Especially in this draft where we have that other high 3... Go get em. Conerly or Simmons would be just fine with me. Cam ****ing Robinson is not the answer. He may have not been to blame for all of Darnold's shortcomings but he sure as shit wasn't very good in Jacksonville either. I'll pass on that circus. If Ronnie Stanley does hit the market, which I doubt, I'd consider chancing that guy to stay healthy for a bit. I'd probably take a shot at Alaric Jackson over Robinson if he does but man that scares me a bit too. At the end of the day though, I just don't love any of those options. We need our guy, it's time. |
They aren't trading into the top 12 like they did with Mahomes. If they're going to trade up, it will be like 8-10 spots. All to get a LT prospect that may or may not work. Recent history suggests Kingsley has just as much to develop as one of those guys in the 20's.
The last thing this team needs is to throw away picks that could be used to plug other holes. |
They've gotta get the spot figured out either way. They can cover up and fill other holes easier, this one is gonna take some capital either way.
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This one....they can't. So either trade up, spend etc. They're gonna do one or the other. Kingsley is a G at this point. |
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Other than having the first overall pick, they can't figure out the LT spot. |
I’m also good with a big trade up for a LT.
We have a multi-Super Bowl winning roster with some of the worst LT play in the league. Plug the hole. |
I wouldn't trade up for a guy, outside of QB i'm not trading up for anything.
Maybe a few spots sure, but a big one? Nah. |
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The 2021 and 2022 draft has done the heavy lifting for this team the last few years and now the time has come to pay them. To my count, they can keep some, but not many. You’re likely losing one of Trey Smith/Nick Bolton. You’re losing Pacheco, probably Watson, maybe Chenal (I’m hoping we can keep him) and Williams. Also gonna have to replace Kelce and guys like Tranquil, maybe Omenihu, maybe Hollywood and Kareem since we have a terribly non-explosive RB room. We haven’t exactly had great drafts recently compared to those 2. I love Rashee, love Worthy, love Hicks and think Kingsley will start at RG, but they need these early picks to build the future of the roster the next 4 years. It’s a risk assessment of captital. Use it on one important lottery ticket or use it on several lottery tickets for the greater good of the whole roster? |
So replace a G, a RB, your 2nd CB and another off ball LB'er.
Yeah, I'd be fine with trading that for a LT. |
And WR, TE, CB3, possibly S (Cook replacement).
Lot of questions to be answered. Trade up probably won’t be viable anyway. |
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If this happens we are 100% trading up for Conerly or Simmons
https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jere...mock-draft-1-0 |
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A trio of Rice, Worthy, and Egbuka on rookie deals would be nice. |
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1. Losing Kelce is going to happen and we won't necessarily replace him but I do like what we have in-house already with Gray and Wiley (who will develop). I'm not especially concerned here. 2. I've never been overly concerned with losing off-ball LBs. There are always quite a few functional players in FA and the 2nd and 3rd rounds yield quality players there all the time. Losing Bolton and Chenal wouldn't pressure me into not trading resources for a legit LT. Chenal is under contract for another year and Tranquil is under contract for two more years. We can navigate that situation. 3. Losing Pacheco is the last of my worries. He's a very average RB with limited vision. I feel like there is a better replacement value in FA every year. This year's draft is loaded. My strategy would be buying one with a mid-round pick, above many other positions. 4. I think when we look at depth and look at the future of the roster and where we are at now, there is something we do need to keep in the back of mind and that's expiring contracts and available cap. Thuney and Kelce have one year left in 2025. McDuffie and Karlaftis are under contract yet with 5th-year options through 2026. So we kind of have that buffer, right? No doubt Jawaan Taylor will get cut in 2026. There will be operating funds there to get some guys. 5. If we move up for a LT, we're losing a 1st and a 3rd probably. We've wasted plenty of 3rd round picks on near-zero returns. In the past 10 years we've had no 3rd rounder twice and more or less whiffed 4 times (Saunders was shit until his final year, O'Daniel, Russell, and Niang). I'm looking at that as I think it's worth giving up 1 legit contributor to get a legit LT for the rest of Mahomes' career. If we can do that, then we can stop spending bad money bringing in broke dicks and below-average tackles and use it instead on these other, cheaper positions and obtain some quality vets. If you're worried about RB, TE, S, and LB, those positions are all, generally speaking, under 10m per in FA. That's for solid guys, not all-stars. You can buy at least one of those with the bad OT money. Now you have the chance for two good players instead of one and a below-average to bad one. |
A first and a third isn't getting you into "can't miss" range.
There's no reason to use multiple draft assets to get another Kingsley. |
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People get worked up about replacing names, I mean there is no replacing Kelce when he leaves. It’s going to suck, but it just really going to be different not exactly worse in terms of moving the offense. If you can fix the LT problem in the draft, you have to do it. There is just no question. We can get by at almost every other position on the team. If an opportunity presents itself self you aggressively go after it. I will lose no sleep on LBs and running backs. Well I’ll lose sleep if Carson Steel is on the roster next year. We need to draft some talent. But if you trade up to deal with LT you can still get something we need in the 2nd and 3rd preferably a DT or DB. Veach has done a master class in creating the roster. We have one giant problem. Go fix it. |
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A good multi-purpose, pass catching RB would be a nice add. But the offensive line is the most crucial. You MUST protect Mahomes. A proper run stuffing, space eating monster at DT is a need as well. Pennel has to be about done. |
The good news is that alot of those things are easy to find Meck.
The LT isn't but that's just what it is at this point. I'm reallyyyyy hoping Egbuka falls right into our lap. |
Only LT prospect in the Jeremiah/Brugler mock that wasn’t in the teens.
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My preference would be to sign humphries to a two year deal and draft Josh Simmons this year. Play him at guard in trey Smiths spot for two years and he can take over left tackle after that.
We can also let Kingsley do something similar with Thuney after next year. That way we have two or three guys (Wanye Morris) in the pipeline who can take over the job since its pretty apparent at this point that if you arent a top ten pick at tackle then you wont be ready in years one two or possibly three. Keep in mind Fisher was the number one overall draft pick and he still had to play Right tackle for a year before moving over to left and was only a pro bowler for two seasons. |
Daniel Jeremiah Top 50 is out.
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Josh Simmons is 30th. He’s the best option IMO. Size, power and technique all look good. Hoping his injury pushes him down to us |
I’ve seen this before
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Are any of the LTs we might have a chance to draft really that much better of prospect than Sumataia?
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I think Conerly is far more athletic than Jeremiah gives him credit for. With Simmons, if you draft him, you probably have to bring in a vet to hold the fort for a bit because he isn't likely to be really ready to go come training camp. I think he might need a month or two of catching up. |
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