Look at the year Xavier Worthy could be having
 

Posted one of these in another thread, felt like it deserved it's own.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">There is a world where Xavier Worthy has 1,200+ yards and 10+ TDs as a rookie in Kansas City.<br><br>Just needed a little bit better QB play.... <a href="https://t.co/zbaic4KCG8">https://t.co/zbaic4KCG8</a></p>&mdash; Marcus Mosher (@Marcus_Mosher) <a href="https://twitter.com/Marcus_Mosher/status/1869757383037321318?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 19, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

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Mahomes has been brutal this year.

A lot of these throws are layups and he’s not even close.

Pat's deep ball has been bad all year. I don't think anyone should be shocked by any of this.

Woof some of those throws look like my swing 12 Coors Lights into the front 9

Good news is the bulk of those were blocked up perfectly and Worthy is getting open so hopefully playoff Pat gets his mechanics dialed in

He’ll get to those numbers if we include playoffs.

Look at all the plays where Mahomes had a clean pocket and could have easily made a good throw.

Execution has cost the offense a lot of points this year. That's the biggest thing that needs to be corrected in the post season. If he can just get his technique together and make accurate throws and reads, we win the Superbowl.

Its like he's done all those off schedule throws so often that he's forgotten how to just step into and deliver a deep ball

A 45 yard post route from a clean pocket doesn't need to come out side arm

Its like watching a short stop trying to punch a guy out at the plate from deep center field

Bucs and Bills sideline misses were partially on Worthy. Gotta get those feet in.

Broncos miss was clearly the OL getting Mahomes killed and ****ing his mental clock. Worst throw of the year bc he felt rushed and had no technique.

Others were sadly on Patrick

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Yep, these are the wild mechanics scouts were worried about as a prospect.

He’s shown himself to be an elite QB because he’s able to stand in the pocket and deliver accurate throws to the right read more often than not. The special arm angles and extending plays is just the cherry on top. He really needs to get back to the basics.

Mahomes has been flat out shit on anything over 20 yards in the air this year. I really don't think he's ever been great at deep throws, but he's really fallen off this year.

Tyreek covered up a lot of his bad throws those first few years. Dude is probably the best deep ball receiver of all time. At least as far as tracking a ball and adjusting goes.

HP enters the chat...



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Look how Good Kingsley was here on this Rice long TD

https://youtu.be/VUgJaAL-eo0?si=jckadCs7F15fx1Rk

https://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=356349

Let’s try having a handful of consistent games with Andrew Wylie or OBJ level tackle play and then reassess if Mahomes deep ball continues to be refried ass after that time.

Yikes

Russell Wilson nails most of those throws tbh

The play beginning at .20 in the video is what makes me cringe (and from the naked eye, happens several times a game). REALLY clean pocket, Pat drops his eyes early, starts to scramble for no reason at all, doesn't reset his base, and misses deep/out of bounds to Worthy.

Just playing too fast at times. The o-line play hasn't helped this, and the lack of trust in his receivers being where he expects them to be, is the elephant in the room.

He'll get it corrected.

Without elite pass catchers, Pat has been an average to above average qb

True or false?

FYP

Any QB ever is not as good without star players

News tonight at 10 PM

I don't care if he's superman back there... if I QB gets hit often enough, its inevitable that he's going to quicken his pace and get "happy feet"

Dude is a straight up killer and we only have one loss when both of our tackles are playing like dogshit and more often than not, he's got less than 2 seconds to make a decision.

Who just happened go beat his main rivals In their own buildings and then faced the best team in the NFC on route to winning the superbowl? Yes I'll take "Mr average" thank you ROFL

Our quarterback has been put on the ground more than some running backs this year.

You think Eli Manning beat Brady twice because he was the better quarterback? That Giants pass rush hounded Brady relentlessly and they couldn't protect him.

I don't give a **** who you put back there. If he's gotta even think that there's gonna be a free rusher, then his mind is on who is going to **** this play up on the o line, and not on reading the defense and finding the open guy.

Moreover, if his head coach is going to refuse to ease that pressure with the run threat, and just call strings of passes to let these guys practice pinning their ears back, them the results aren't going to be good.

Yeah. Only one I excuse is Denver game, pretty sure he was hurt that day. Not a Mahomes like pass at all

The others are mainly straight up on Pat

Didnt he win 2 super bowls and a mvp without Hill?

He was elite in 2022 and his WR1 was JuJu

As for folks talking about Pat's deep ball. He hit one in a critical moment to Sammy to send us to the superbowl. Then hit a huge one to Tyreek to win the said superbowl. Hit a massive one to MVS to beat the Ravens and go to the superbowl. Then in the superbowl threw a huge one to Hardman to get the team into the ten yard line before Pacheco fumbled. Ya'll see a pattern? In critical moments he's been able to do it.

This year some of the deep balls failing have been on him, Worthy or the line. The Atlanta one? On Pat. The Buffalo one? On Worthy. The Raiders one? On the O-line. It's a mixture of things that they need to clean up. With Hollywood back now hopefully we'll see an improvement in that department as we head into the playoffs. Because Lord knows I expect him and Worthy to burn some secondaries and create more opportunities for Pat to launch it. Let's just pray they start connecting. We've seen proof that Pat can get it done.

I really think he may need to try and work with some different QB coaches this offseason.

Who does Josh Allen work with? Whoever that is has done wonders with Allen’s mechanics.

The fundmentals have just gotten sloppy. And have slowly but steadily declined over the last couple years.

Seems like he might need someone outside of his core “camp” to come in and give him a fresh perspective and clean things up.

Which ones?

MVP in 2022 with a pretty average WR group. The difference? Much better LT situation with Orlando Brown compared to the shit show we've seen this year.

Seems like the early rash of interceptions rattled Mahomes a bit. Feels like he's throwing a lot of passes with the mindset of avoiding INTs more than completing the pass. Especially on intermediate and deep routes. I get throwing the ball where only your guy can catch it, but he seems to be taking that a bit too far since all the early INTs this season.

That being said, I have full confidence that Patrick will figure it out and get right.

There is no run threat. That's why teams are playing everything short. They don't respect our run game at all. Outside of a couple of runs by Pacheco, the Chiefs are mostly 2 yards and a cloud of dust. Leaning on that in the playoffs will get you beat.

Early on in his career one of Pat’s biggest strengths was that his eyes would NEVER drop. He was an expert at navigating the pocket and keeping his eyes scanning downfield.

Now at the slightest sign of pressure, and sometimes even when there’s no pressure, he drops his eyes and panics.

He just doesn’t see the field anymore.

I believe if we can give him good tackle play again he can work his way out of it, but he’s really developed some bad habits the last couple years that I’m afraid are going to be hard to break.

Veach has to go all out in trying to find a solution for the tackles. May have to overpay, but we can’t let the franchise keep getting physically and psychologically beat up like this.

Would you consider his tight end an elite pass catcher? Is he still elite?

Not as good, sure.

This kind of drop off ? Eh

Exactly.

Where are the star players on Buffalo?

And Allen is about to win MVP.

Mahomes won back-to-back SB’s with average at best WR’s and a rookie (Rice).

Are we really doing this?

Allen has had a healthy Dion Dawkins his entire career. Dawkins is pretty damn good on the blind side and has managed to stay healthy for 99% of the games over the last 6+ years. When Josh drops back, it sure seems like he has plenty of time to throw. Mahomes has had 4 different dudes at LT this year and 6 of them in the last 3 years.

eff this Pat guy...! A real QB would have won 3 superbowls in 2 years!

Josh Allen has been sacked a career low 13 times.

Patrick Mahomes has already been sacked a career high 35 times and there are still 3 games left.

do you get it now?

Oh I get it. Left tackle is a huge problem.

The posts original point was about Tyreek being gone and Kelce declining though. Our pass catching group I would argue is better than Buffalo’s.

If the difference between Allen and Mahomes is truly left tackle play, and there’s a chance it largely is, then there shouldn’t be a price that Veach isn’t willing to pay to get an absolute wall there this offseason.

LT is a big part of it. I think RT is part of it as well. Taylor is $20M per year and doesn’t play like that. Might have been better off with Andrew Wiley at $8M per year and keeping Orlando Brown instead of the current situation.

Plus, that may well have been Kelce’s best season. He was insane that year.

Kelce’s decline hurts, because he’s still getting a similar number of targets to years past. Problem is that each of those targets results in less production than before.

Hope he sticks it out for another year, but his workload needs to decrease.

In Madden, he'd have to adjust his passing meter to "classic"

Our weapons have not ****ing been better than Buffalo people.

Rice
Hollywood
Worthy
Pacheco

3 of our most explosive players gone for 85% or more this year. Pacheco has the same season snap total as Alligator boy and Mr Alligator ****ing sucks. Justin Watson had the most snaps at WR until 2 weeks ago. Those guys are not NFL starters and neither is Wanya Morris or Kingsley Suamatia at LT (at least this year)

And FFS guys I’m begging you to look at Hopkins, Kelce, Juju and Kareem without rose colored glasses. They’re not what they were 3 years ago. They’re old. They can’t beat man coverage very often and they aren’t superstars any longer.

They’re older declining players.

Tl;dr-Mahomes has never been sacked or hit more and all of his best weapons but a rookie WR were injured most of the season

Kelce has definitely lost a step, but the elephant in the room to me is that it looks like he hasn’t taken great care of his body either.

Being 35 has nothing to do with the gut that all of a sudden appeared this season. I get that he has other priorities in his life now, but I can’t help but wonder if his decline could’ve been tempered if he had hit the offseason a little harder.

Josh Allen's okay style is a huge part of his success. Because he plays like he's a ****ing RB you have to take guys out of coverage to defend that. If you don't he'll run all over you. Him becoming a top level passer mixed with his ability to run has made him a nearly undefendable player. They don't even need great weapons for their offense to work because of it.

My wife and I said the same thing.

He does look heavy and less defined this year.

Yep. Good tackle play is more important than having a lot of weapons.

Not sure why people act like Allen has no weapons though. Kincaid and Knox are both very good TEs, Cooper is very good, Shakir is good, Coleman, Samuel, Hollins, Cook, Johnson...how is that a lack of weapons?

MVS contributed nothing in that offense. He was Mahomes' #2 the last two years, and his #1 in the '22 AFCC.

Allen has more than enough weapons, and time to find them.

Kelce and Gray > Kincaid and Knox
Hopkins (though we've limited him to 50% of snaps? < Shakir
Worthy > Coleman
Watson > Hollins
Juju = Samuels
Hunt and Pacheco < Cook and Johnson


How exactly are their skill positions players that much better than ours again? If Mahomes simply hit those open plays when he had an empty pocket, the entire offense would change.

Yes our LT play has been bad but it hasn't been bad enough to explain how much worse our offense is than theirs. Aside from when Kingsley played, it hasn't been any worse than when we had Cam Erving starting at LT for us and we averaged 30 in those games.

He'd definitely be up over 900 if Patrick hit the shots that are wide ****ing open.

OL has been garbage and we lost our two wrs. Can't judge him with all that. Also Travis has hit the wall. He looks massively tired and slow.

Mahomes also holds on to the ball slightly longer than Allen despite this huge LT problem. The issue is that Allen throws further down the field and is more aggressive with the ball and is willing to throw it to a WR and let them make a play on the ball while Mahomes waits until a WR is completely open to throw the ball. Mahomes is 3rd worst in the league at aggressive throws.

https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/p...aggressiveness

Khalil Shakir has only 1 drop and is 3rd in the NFL is YAC. There’s no way anyone would take 32 year old Hopkins over him.

Watson isn’t very good. Neither is Hollins but I’d take Hollins to ceiling. And Juju is old and slow where as Samuels is not.

If Rice and Hollywood weren’t hurt then I’d take us but not what we’ve been running the last 3 months

Yep, Peyton Manning looked like a ****ing goober with his mechanics (and everything else he does in life) but Mahomes reminds me of that dude chucking up 3's all pigeon toed with the ball cocked off to the side of his head for style points that clanks off the rim

Its odd because he mentioned his shit mechanics earlier in the season but that EZ pass to Worthy last Sunday may have been the worst of the bunch

I'm still confident he gets it cleaned up when it matters

#notraitorpost

Yes that's why I put

Hopkins < Shakir

And Hollins isn't clearly better than Watson. And Samuels sucks now.

Did you forget Amari Cooper? Not listed in your post. He’s better than any receiver on the Chiefs roster.

I did forget him. But aside from 1 or 2 games he hasn't been ok at best for the Bills and has been injured.

A real QB plays in the NFL and the UFL in the same year!

No real QBs any more. :cuss:

The good news is Worthy is getting open. Mahomes will figure it out, we all know what. The reasons for why everything is off we can talk about all day. It's a mix of everything. Some of it is on him. It's not just the o line or the ghosts created by it.

He will figure it out at some point. We all want it to be this year. Regardless, him worthy and rice are gonna have fun together the next handful of years.

I'm glad you said that, it tripped a trigger... while watching him in pregame warm up sunday, I kept noticing that pretty much every throw was coming out sidearm

Didn't think too much of it at the time, didn't even mention it to my son, but now that you brought it up yeah... it really does seem like he's getting kinda sloppy, he might be relying on that off platform style too much

It's crazy how quickly they gave up on him after anointing him the starter without much of a competition. He had a pretty good game against the Ravens, but was left out to dry over and over again when he was going up against Hendrickson and wasn't seen again until Denver when he was left out to dry against Bonitto.

Dude was a rookie and left on an island against two guys that are top 3 in sacks. Maybe he would have looked better with a little help against 2 of the better pass rushers in the league.

I think Morris got dinged in camp so they started Suamataia.

I've thought all season that Travis looked fatter than ever.

Fat isn't a friend of speed, I don't think he's lost a step due to being 35, I think he looks slow because he's fat.

Also back to Pat's deep ball - it's literally painful to watch him miss week after week, while Josh Allen is making every single one of these throws. And I hate Allen, but every week he puts these on the money.

He would lose a little bit just being 35. Not taking care of himself is going to make it worse.

He also has had the ball knocked out of his hands on contested catches in way we aren't used to seeing. A more muscled Travis might have hung on to those.