Should the Chiefs have signed Saquon?
 

I know we didn't have a ton of cash and Pop is a decent back, but what would Saquon have looked like in our offense? He got just under $38 million over 3 years, which is a chunk. Had we not given Trav additional cap room (for no additional years) and restructured a few other deals, maybe?

Don't know, just throwing this out there.

Given what we know now, yeah, duh.

Or should have signed King Henry.

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Pacheco + Hunt is cheaper and will be just as effective.

Interesting question but I have a better one. Should the Chiefs have drafted Joe Montana in the 1979 draft? I still think Steve Fuller was the right move but I was only a glint in the milkman's eye back then.

With hindsight of Brown getting hurt, yeah. It made sense at the time, even though this team desperately needs some explosive run plays.

Who is better on short yardage and goalline? Thats all I care about with running backs.

Either should had sign Barkley or Henry!

Just as effective?

Saquon is on pace for 2100 yards rushing on 6 yards a carry and almost 400 yards receiving.

We don't need him but saying our guys are just as effective is silly

Pretty sure every team in the NFL should have

Did you watch tonight’s game?

Holes big enough for even MEHHH to have a big game.

Should have traded for Myles Garrett

most people here would have screamed bloody murder, but I would have liked that.

How is this Boise St running back's pro potential looking like? I wouldn't mind seeing the Chiefs trade up for him around pick 20 if he's still there if he's going to be a special RB.

We might have undervalued the RB position a bit too much, a truly great one can still make a difference. ESPECIALLY when you already have a great QB.

Devin Neal next year

Not so sure. If we had healthy Rice, Pacheco & Hollywood Brown our offense would be humming. I don't think we would have had the money to bring him in but obviously he would have made a great addition to any team.

The last time we drafted a first round RB stud coming out of college we got this:

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Draft an Achane-type speed RB to compliment Pacheco on day two or three of the draft

Yep, should’ve signed Saquon and also not waste 1st and 2nd round draft picks on Mecole, CEH, Skyy, Felix Uzomah, George Karlaftis, Breeland Speaks, Bryan Cook, and Juan Thornhill. 8 totally wasted high round picks since 2018.

I think I read somewhere he wanted to go to Philadelphia because it was close to his family. But for sure, obviously any team should have tried to get him.

I remember when he was drafted thinking that once he lined up behind the Eagles OL, which I think is the best in the league, he would have a spectacular year. I tried to get him on my fantasy teams and was successful on four. They are obviously doing well.

After watching tonight‘s game, I’m not so sure that it’s Detroit we will be facing in the Super Bowl. It might well be the Eagles. And they will be a lot better than the last time. That’s due to both Barkley and Carter. In fact, I think Carter is having a better year at DT then Jones. But I’ll still put my faith in Mahomes working his magic. But it will be another really exciting Super Bowl whether we face the Eagles or the Lions.

by that logic we wouldn't have drafted Rashee Rice

He was the player that I wanted them to get in the off-season...then I looked at how much he cost he Eagles and thought it was a pipe dream.

We'll have see how much Brown changes the offense in a few weeks...and the Pacheco/Hunt combo.

Definitely curious to see what Mahomes with an A+ RB would have looked like...or if it would be much different than with above average RB.

Could he have played LT? That's where the big problem was all off season and still is today.

Should the Chiefs switch to the NFC? Party at 7pm

Worse yet: Franco Harris wasn’t signed & there are STILL multiple candy wrappers scattered in the stairwell at the Arrowhead corporate offices. Dammit Pioli! :banghead:

I still like Kareem. We're good.

For that kind of money? Either re-sign Snead or get ourselves a LT. I would say a wr but Hollywood was a terrific move if only he was healthy. We have an abundance of riches at rb right now even with our best guy hurt. Of course saquon would be an upgrade but how can we justify that price for a rb when we’re not filling critical positions like cb and lt.

I’ve felt going back into last year our #1 priority has been getting mahomes right and to prepare ourselves for the post kelce era which needs to revolve around the best version of mahomes.

No.

This place would’ve gone nuclear had we picked him up with that contract. It would’ve been absolutely insane.

Should OP have not nutted inside his sister?

Our line isn’t designed to run block worth a shit.. He would struggle here..

I bet you're fun at parties.

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Eh, Andy would still be pass happy that featured Rice Worthy and Brown so doubt Saquon would have 250+ rush games. He would be effective in the pass game though.

It’s been really rough being a chiefs fan since 201&

Especially if you’re going to complain about guys like mecole, karlaftis, Thornhill and cook as if we aren’t drafting late in every round

I wouldn’t be on board with signing a back coming off a knee injury for $13M. Obviously it’s working out for Philly right now, but the chiefs needs and cap weren’t there.

If we are doing a hindsight review, I think an improvement or two on the Oline would greatly improve this offense. Without Pacheco injury we would not have Hunt….but in a week or two the RB room is gonna be just fine.

The tackles….meh.

the eagles also have a historically great OL while ours is…eh

i sincerely doubt barkely would be having a season as good as he’s having in philly here

What's so bad about Karlaftis?

The rest of that list is a big bag of meh.

I read that Saquon’s got over 900 yards BEFORE CONTACT. Going into last night he was averaging like 2.3 YPC before anyone even touched him.

He would have been a good addition but nothing like what he’s doing in Philly. Their OL is different.

I mean I really didn't think Thornhill had a bad run. He was hampered by one glaring injury but when he was healthy he was a solid contributor. And Karlaftis? He's above the average for where he was drafted.

Are you a Chiefs fan? Or are you a fan of another team masquerading as a Chiefs fan? Your takes are awful.

right now there are a lot of teams who wished they had signed Saquon, especially the Cowboys. But their ownership thought they would be fine with a bunch of reruns at the RB spot.
I love seeing Jones getting roasted.

This.

Barkley without a great offensive line… see his production with the Giants.

Last night the Philly offensive line was so dominant in their run blocking that Mike Cloud could have rushed for 200+ yards.

For a team who's identity is running the ball the Cowboys really whiffed on RB and Oline.

Wasn't long ago they had one of the best Olines in the NFL. They have so much money wrapped up in Prescott, Lamb and Parsons, they are completely handcuffed from doing anything.

Yup. Retrospective Planet (or Overreaction Planet) at it's finest.

I was under the impression that they hadn't paid Parsons yet? A cowboys fan at work keeps saying they should trade him for multiple firsts to rebuild that shit show if possible.

Would have been nice. We haven’t a RB that has that next gear since a young Hunt. He just runs different.

You may be right. If they haven't they are in worse shape than I thought if the contracts for Lamb and Prescott have them bent over the barrel

They shouldn’t pay Parsons but they will. Just like they shouldn’t have paid Prescott.

Would like to see them claim chris rodriguez jr and cut Steele. Steele was a cute story but he's been a complete liability in pass protection and ball control. Rodriguez can do everything steele does (but better) and won't whiff on blocks or donate the football to the opposing team.

You're either ****ing reeruned, trolling, or you're from some alternate universe where half of that list didn't directly contribute to our recent success.

I'm just gonna go with you're ****ing reeruned.

Yeah.... There's, like, four on that list that are actual busts.

No, the Giants should have.


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yes it is!

Woulda-coulda… how’bout signing Chubb next offseason?

Saquon would look like shit here. Philadelphia runs the football consistently.

Since Hunt started playing he has 155 rush attempts. In that same span Barkley has 160 attempts. He only has 17 more attempts than Pacheco, Hunt, and one Steele game where he was leading rusher. I’m quite sure he would look great here.

Forget rb...we got rb
LT at all costs

The guy who's knee has been cabable of rotating in a manner that would allow him to kick his own balls twice?

Even if was playing like he is...KC likely wouldn't have been able afford all the injury/LT additions.

So retrospectively...he could have made the Chiefs, as a whole, actually worse. The Hunt/Pacheco tandem will likely be more than good enough...

The Chiefs need a guy in the backfield who will break tackles and get us YAC the way McKinnon did.

Pacheco is a high effort player with juice but he’s never been a smooth pass catching guy the way McKinnon was.

I want them use Hardman in that role more like the Broncos are using Mims (their Hardman).

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Yeah - this is pretty much the answer.

That said, it's just so damn rare that big money RBs work out, especially when they change teams. And Saquon didn't look nearly as explosive his last couple of years in NY.

Now he just looks healthy and as strong as he's looked since he was a rookie. His legs are back and that's not something you can really expect to happen for most 'backs.

Any team in the league would've been better by signing the guy. He's the best RB out there - he's playing with the speed/explosion of McCaffrey and power of Henry. Yeah - hindsight says EVERYONE should've signed him.

But it is what it is.

RBs are undervalued, IMHO. If you can get a top 5 RB, that’s big and can pick up those short yardage first downs and also have a rb that can hit the homerun like Saquon as well as line up outside and run routes for around $10M per year, I think that’s the best bargain in the league right now. I was hoping the chiefs would trade for kamara as the saints season went down the toilet. Our oline is good enough to have a top 5 running game and we aren’t even in the top half of the league rushing. And for those that think that we can’t take the ball out of Mahomes hands, I think that Mahomes plays better and has more big plays with a dominant running game. The run game makes Mahomes more effective, not less.

Our longest run of the year was 34 yards and that might have been Mahomes?

Hardman is under utilized in this offense...every game, he makes plays.

You're not wrong.

But I saw two run with Hunt yesterday that were open to be broken for 20+ yards and I think he got like 8 and 11 on them. Another that looked like it had a chance that he got 4 on.

Now maybe Pacheco's enough better than Hunt that he can hit one of those, but he doesn't always SEE them either.

The interior run blocking has been good enough this season that I do think Barkley would've busted a handful of those long runs here that Hunt just doesn't have the gear (or Pacheco the vision) to manage.

Barkley is a pretty spectacular player, fellas. I mean it's not like it was 15 years ago the guy went #2 overall. RBs were already being phased out in 2018.

He's just a bit of a different beast.

LOL If you paired Barkley with Mahomes the NFL season is over. Mahomes arm makes defenses play their safeties deep and there's no better player operating in that kind of space than Barkley. NFL would have had to get involved and stop the transaction like David Stern and the NBA did with Lakers and Chris paul.

Yea, if you can get top 5 production for 10 mil. But RB tends to be especially risky when it comes to injury and short shelf life. Sure, now and then you get a Henry but that is rare.

Yes we should have signed or drafted all the best players at each position, it’s science.

I agree. It's just that Worthy is kinda the same guy.

Unsurprisingly, Howie Roseman made the call.

Tell me you don't watch the Chiefs without telling me you don't watch the Chiefs.

I think we're going to see RBs more highly valued, if the current passing trends continue. Somone here posted that article at the beginning of the season about how passing in general had taken a downturn over the last couple seasons. Don't remember where that was posted anymore; maybe someone else could find it and repost it. Anyway, part of the reason given was the widespread adoption of some version of the Fangio-6 defense/Cover-2 high shell/whatever.

Whether that's true or not doesn't really matter here, but just look at the top teams in the NFL this season. BUF, MIA, PIT, BAL, KC, LAC, DEN, PHI, DET, MIN, TB all have above-average to great rushing attacks. And all the teams that don't have a decent running game are at the bottom of the league.

And it's way easier to find good RBs than it is to find a great QB. And a ton cheaper.

Anyway, I won't be surprised to see teams start spending more $$$ on RBs than they have been recently, and less willing to pay big $$$ for average/slightly above average QB play.

It was definitely the right move. We would’ve won the SB if wasn’t for the kicker.

Drafting an Achane-type speed back on Day 2/Day 3 of the draft would have helped address that.

Everyone knew the Chiefs had a depth issue behind Pacheco entering the season.

Doesn’t mean they should have blown their scarce salary cap space on Barkley.

Holy shit! You can’t be taken seriously when you say shit like this.

You don’t even know what you’re watching.

Hardman is extremely similar to Worthy in playing style. Not sure why anyone would even dispute. Homerun hitters that need to work on the other little nuances to be a great well rounded WR. Rice is a well rounded WR.

I wanted to sign Polllard. He would be a beast here.


That said I have Bark in both FF leagues, he’s special.

The major error was resigning CEH rather than dobbins. Dobbins came in for a visit right before we signed CEH. Dobbins has been a beast in this offense and would have been amazing in KC. But I can’t blame veach too much with his injury history but over CEH…. I’m sure he’d like to have that one over again.