Chiefs will need to adjust and figure this out
 

Another OL tweet but it’s interesting. Notice anything the Bills did?

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A lot of times, including the last play of the game, they had 2 DL on one side of the OL crash hard and bull rush the G and T. They see Mahomes flushing out constantly. They crash the OL and flush Mahomes out the way they want and have a LB spy fly to that zone they force Mahomes to go to so he’s got instant pressure in his face.

This also cuts off half of the field. Chargers did this in week 2 and Mahomes struggled badly against it. Bills copied that from Harbaugh and I expect other teams to do the same.

LMAO Jesus ****, Pat.

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That is literally that exact same shit the Chargers did to trick him into bailing out of the pocket, he takes the bait every single god damn time.

C'mon Pat...smarten up

I don't know what the fix is there other than to tell a QB who very blatantly does not trust his OL that he has to trust his OL.

All you can do is hope he figures it out.

Maybe it just doesn't happen this year though. There are seasons besides the three-peat season.

He's scared to take hits and step up into the pocket.

Some of those are on the OL. Ed Oliver beat the shit out of Trey Smith all night long.

That pass to Hendershot was 5 OL and a RB vs 4 rushers. You can’t lose that badly in those situations.

It’s been a problem all year. Look at the last 3 weeks. Interior pressure has been happening at a high rate as well and that didn’t happen last year.

When they get beat on the interior it's gonna be game over, Wanya is basically a guard playing OT because that's the spot we're in.

If stuff like this continues the only way you can really offset this is to start going to more base personnel like base from 2003. A bunch of 2 TE or 2 RB sets and not sending everyone into routes, handing off a bunch, using the screen game. Occasional PA deep shot, I know that isn't exciting at all but trying to get 5 into every pass pattern may not be wise at the current time.

This place is ****ing unbearable LMAO

He doesn't step up in the pocket much at all.

I often wonder why they don't start having Pat play half of the time under center and utilize PA etc

Are we watching the same thing?? The pocket is getting pushed into Mahomes face and Ed Oliver is winning right up the middle.

That’s a big problem

Because they are stubborn and want to run their offense...

I honestly think if they would come out and show a bunch of base under center stuff, run the ball, do screens, 3 step drops, slants etc it would make defenses play us a alot differently.

Sure, they got beat some inside.

If he's not gonna have confidence in the front, we're kinda drawing dead here.

He's always been like this. It's kind of smart really because in the playoffs he plays differently and takes any hit coming his way. But he does play soft in the regular season. As he should because he knows his value.

We're also hitting a bit of a point where the conversation has to be had of how good of a line does this man need? Like some people think we need 5 all pros up there.

I do think the desire to get everyone into the route when you don't have a high end pass blocking LT is a scheme issue.

IOL has struggled massively the last 3 games. Vea was getting in Mahomes face continuously, Zach Allen was too and so was Ed Oliver.

The LT problem is bad but the IOL problem is more concerning bc of the talent we have there underperforming

They can still run their offense just do it under center more. Teams have to respect Kareem now even though he is not explosive he is still very productive so lean on that and do more PA.

Bring in Wentz for sneaks and deep shots

IMMEDIATELY the first thing I noticed.

Sweet jesus, Trey Smith got WORKED. I mean just mauled. You don't see Chris Jones routinely handle a guy as frequently as Oliver kicked the shit out of Smith.

But yeah, lets keep blaming the OTs and Matt Nagy when the guy we have folks saying we should sign at a 'discount' of only $18 million in AAV is getting treated like a street free agent.

Man - that's just gross.

The entire O-line has regressed. Even the run blocking is not as good as it was last year. Thuney will be 33 next year.

It's weird to see a dude regress in his contract year.

Again, why do folks treat these issues as mutually exclusive things? They're all pretty glaring issues currently. Trey Smith isn't regressing either, he's been good for a really bad game or two dating back to his rookie season.

Which is disappointing considering their contracts (or expected contract in Smith's case) and being among the league's top players at their position. Of course, the O-line is a unit, so if one or two pieces struggle it can affect the top players also. But there's enough talent and salary where they should figure it out. We have all-pros at several positions on that line.

Yeah, I’m mostly seeing our offensive line getting manhandled.

It does appear that they’re doing that hemmed in, mush rush a bit like we try to do against Lamar Jackson, but it’s only so effective against us because the OL is playing like ass.

They simply need to do better across the board and Mahomes needs to focus on getting the ball out quickly and decisively. They will help each other out.

There’s only 2 paths you can go as b2b champs

Maintain or backwards

Since Mahomes wants to move around anyway just call more plays where he's designed to roll out to the right.

If I remember right that's what he did on the missed deep ball to Worthy.

I've.....I've never really been on the Trey Smith is a great RG bandwagon....Am I wrong here?

No. I like the guy and think he's a very good player most of the time, but he's always been a tier below Thuney and Humphrey for me.

****ing Jim Hairball comes in our division and immediately finds a chink in the armor for the league to exploit.

At this point in time that would probably be a good idea a few times per game.

In general or whenever Pat is “on”? Absolutely ****ing not. I hate cutting the field in half. That just helps the defense.

Nope.

He was a great pick. The value we’ve gotten from him given his draft stock has been amazing.

At the same time, he, and our interior in general, is talked about like he’s borderline elite or something and I’ve never seen that.

Like I said, great player for the resources we’ve allocated at a relatively unimportant position. We need guys like him to win consistently.. but he is not one I would extend unless the deal was super cheap.

Trey is kinda like Pacheco. His value to the offense is as much intangible tenacity and physicality as it is skill.

I'd let him go and use that money on more of a pure talent. Same kinda goes for Bolton.

Thuney struggled early on coming back from injury and i gave him some slack, hes not his old self but hes been better than smith the last 3 weeks. Our all world IOL has given Mahomes no reason to think he can step up consistently. And our tackles are what they are at this point.

He has about 3 games a year where you think damn I'd like to have that for 4 more years, then the rest of the season its usually just average.

At least Bolton won't require a market resetting contract like Smith allegedly wants. Although I agree that we'd be better served letting him walk as well unless it's significantly cheaper than I'm expecting.

Good lord, anybody see Carson Steele completely miss a DE -- I think it was Rousseau??

I mean, Steele ran right by him and joined Taylor in a double team. Like Rousseau was a ghost.

I think Veach, Andy, and Clark are tired as **** of seeing the offense go the wrong way.

I expect a prototypical overcorrection from Veach this offseason even if it costs the defense in some capacity. I can see it getting wild in terms of the spending/trades.

Why are the two mutually exclusive? Matt Nagy is also not all that good.

The touchdown pass to Gray, Pat was not pressured. Why would that be listed as a pressure.

Matt Nagy is seemingly the only coach capable of half ass fixing Chicago these days, so IDK there.

The second one he was

Crorect.

I said this in the Bucs game. We could not block Vea. And then we couldn't block Allen against the Broncos. This week it was Oliver.

Pat is immediately breaking the pocket tho, even when it's clean

Well....what else you wanna do? They've spent picks, money etc.

Best of luck in free agency, Trey!

They already did that, Brown and Rice both got hurt and there hasn't been a LT chance unless you wanted to trade like 3 1's for Joe Alt.

Thing that sucks for him is he's almost assuredly ending up on one of the perennial bottom feeding squads that are willing to massively overpay to get talent. Although he's already gotten the rings so the last thing to secure is the bag.

Robert Hunt v2 dude got the bag as a guard but got it in Carolina.

At this point they need to treat LT like they did receiver. Keep spending picks from Rounds 1-3 until you finally hit on one.

Hell, if they could go back in time, I wonder if they match that 3/24 given to Wylie and try Taylor at LT…

Yeah, just keep swinging at it I guess. It sucks but it's kinda one of those things you get when you win like we do.

How have they not done that already?

24 round 2 Kingley Suamataia
23 round 3 Wanya Morris
22 none
21 none-orlando brown trade
20 round 3 Lucas Niang

That is a 5 year stretch where in 4 of those years a top 3 round draft pick was invested in OT.

Right, I’m saying they need to keep doing this.

(And just maybe, look in the mirror at how they’re scouting and coaching that position).

I don't think the LT spot is as big of an issue as it seems if the rest of the OL was playing well.

Seems like everyyear we go thru them playing bad and then we get a "we're simplifying things" PC and it goes better.

Morris is probably a guard...the issue is they need a LT and finding one outside of the first 10-15 picks is extremely hard.

Brutal. I couldn't watch past 2 minutes.

Yup, and there is no way in hell I'm paying Trey 20 million plus after this year. NO thanks. We could get as much out Allegretti as Trey has given us lately.

I think we need to run some misdirection and play action boots off that. Pat can throw on the run so well and you'd keep the defensive line a hell of a lot more honest too. Sprinkle in a little of the old Shannahan scheme.

Transition tag seems ideal for Bolton. Let him get offers from other team so we know the market. We can match that and keep him or let him walk

I'm sure Pat's able to shake that play off and not let it hurry up his reads at all

Looking ahead… genuine ask so please don’t shred me…

Kingsley’s biggest issue seems (to me) to be kicking out correctly and getting beat outside or inside on the double move when he over-compensates late to the outside.

If he fails to develop that aspect of his game, could we consider slotting him in at RG should we let Trey walk in FA, or LG if Thuney is a cap casualty? Does Kingsley project well at OG?

I don't understand why in all of this we aren't just dialing up more short game like they did to calm down Alex Smith. If you trust Hopkins, Kelce, Gray, Juju and Worthy to get heads around and hands up why not get into a rhythm early. It negates the long looping pressure that's been killing us, lets Mahomes rifle it and moves the chains.

This is my new thing I won't shut up about.

Wanya Morris is perfectly capable of playing LT.

I've also said this for years that Patrick doesn't trust the interior OL and it started the season that Wiley (I believe that's who it was) was playing guard and stepped on his ankle and hurt him. He rarely sticks in the pocket anymore and it makes our OTs look way worse. This has allowed speed rushers to just rush around the tackles and they know Patrick is gonna be within grasp, because he's gonna bail from the pocket or drop back really far a lot of the time.

It was why OBJ didn't look very good here.

How do you fix it? We've allocated about as much resource wise as you can. You just roll with Creed, two Meh guards and hope for an all world up the arc tackle?

Obviously there is no guarantee one will be there to be had

But if there is, I'd really rather just trade for a proven youngish vet if at all possible... tired of the guesswork game and learning curve with draftees at that position, just gimme a guy with a proven record and be done with it

I don't see why not, thats where a lot of failed tackles end up

Have the QB stay in the pocket.

I agree.

I've never really thought on the cause, but I've said for years, going back to the OBJ season, that Mahomes makes his OTs look worse than they are.

Yes, he makes magic happen back there but he gives with one hand and takes with the other.

You take the good with the bad here and when he's ripping the ball confidently you get MUCH more good than bad. But when he's playing like he has at times this season, he's just another part of the problem rather than the solution.

It's not Deshaun Watson bad or anything - that guy would make Orlando Pace Jr. look pedestrian. But he makes an OTs job pretty difficult at times.

Pretty sure that was Erving who stepped on Mahomes’ ankle. IIRC, they had him at LT at that point. Want to say it was the Texans reg season game in 2019.

Unless it happened multiple times and I missed it..

Watching Trey struggle massively against good DT’s doesn’t help. Barmore kicked his ass last year.

Idk man. Thuney is clearly better than Trey, especially in pass pro. We’ve had capable RG’s in Zach Fulton, LDT and even Wylie.

I think that money needs to go somewhere else. We could also draft a capable starting RG in rd 2 as well if truly needed.

An added wrinkle of not paying Trey is that you’d have to replace both G positions within the next two years.

That’s a tough ask while also needing to find an LT. And re-stock the WR room.

All while drafting at the end of the 1st lol

Welcome to the NFL.

Nourzad is already in house, move Kingsley over and boom there ya go... go buy the most proven LT you can find, Brett

Teams rarely give up good left tackles in free agency. The only realistic chance of getting long-term stability is through the draft. Otherwise we are just looking at another OBJ situation.

You're absolutely right, its very rare and it'll be rare again this offseason

But a guy can dream, because when it comes to drafting them its sooo hit and miss that we may never have that spot settled for the rest of Mahomes career

The other teams get paid too.

Mahomes has made a living clowning people moving around the pocket.

Rather see this now than have it sprung on us in a playoff game.

So thank you Buffalo.

And if you buy an LT, you have Morris who can play OG pretty easily, IMO. It's where he should really end up either way.

But yeah, I think Nourzad is going to be someone they hope can take that job as soon as next season and if they aren't confident that he can, he'll sit another year with Morris taking the job and potentially another mid-round pick brought in to backfill for Thuney the following year.

I just can't see a world where re-signing Trey Smith makes any sense.

Now just figure out where you can get a LT worth a damn.

That or Morris grows into a decent enough swing tackle with all the work he's getting this season, either way we can find a spot for him here

But oh yeah Trey is gone daddy gone, we can't keep' em all

And yet, here you are.

With any luck, some shitball team drafting high in the first gets a guy they love... and parts ways with the established vet they have

Its a longshot, but ya just never know...