How much sense does Mahomes make for MVP?
 

Historically, including the two times Mahomes has actually won the MVP, the award goes to the quarterback with the gaudiest stats and highlight reel performances.

That's a big reason why, despite his regularly disappearing in the playoffs, Lamar Jackson will be a perennial MVP candidate (until the day he has to retire two seasons from now because his body was snapped in half).

And certainly going by that standard, Lamar should be a frontrunner again this year, alongside Josh Allen. Both QBs are putting up huge stats and making insane plays.

But the QB doing the heaviest lifting this season happens to be the same one who is undefeated.

We saw what happens when a really good QB is deprived of his best weapons yesterday. It was Brock Purdy, and he was largely useless.

Mahomes has made plenty of mistakes but if he cuts down on his most egregious errors, and keeps willing this team to victory after victory, then I absolutely think you have to look at him as MVP. The award is "Most Valuable Player," and Mahomes has proven that even if you kneecap the skill positions all over his offense, he (along with Reid's elite gameplanning) can lead his team to victory after victory.

Naturally, he doesn't care, because he only cares about Super Bowls.

But this guy is the GOAT, and he needs to have a trophy case proving that.

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He's not playing MVP level right now.

YOu can throw in Jayden Daniels to the MVP mix. The Commanders have the best offense in the league.

At the end of the day numbers it’s always that much harder for a multi mvp winner to win. The only thing holding his mvp odds so high right now is the undefeated record. I do think that the less attention on mahomes winning the award will raise the attention on Reid for coach of the year

Mahomes improved his QBR to 11th after last game. QB rating continued to plummet but QBR is best indicator to how you are playing at least if you compare it to PFF and QB rating

Hunt is doing more for this offense than Mahomes lol

Mahomes isn't anything near MVP quality right now.

Can't get the MVP if you can't play: [He could miss a game or more]

Jayden Daniels injury update: Commanders QB ruled out with rib injury




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Nope…

He’d need to go on an incredible heater statistically to get back atop that convo, even on the best team right now.

I don’t know about that but it's close. Throwing the ball yeah Mahomes is a struggle but when push comes to shove he put his body on the line and made those key runs. Even if his accuracy and passing is off he can contort his body and scamper around within or near the pocket to get the throwing lane he wants

Only MVP I care about him getting is another Superbowl MVP.

The only MVP I am hoping he gets is another Super Bowl MVP award...

Let Lamar and Josh Allen have their regular season MVP's, because that is the consolation prize from never making it to the Super Bowl.

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Lol

It’s weird to me people think Mahomes doesn’t care about stats and individual awards.

If this was Mahomes' first season with KC, some would be calling for him to be benched in favor of Wentz. Lol

Maybe not but he was robbed of at least one MVP. How many games do you think we would have won this year with Alex Smith as our QB?

OTOH, Who really cares about season MVP's when you are winning SB's?

Every player does despite what they will say but if anyone doesn't care it is Mahomes. All that matters for his legacy now is how many Super Bowls he can get to.

He's playing way better than his stat line, but there is no ****ing way he's winning MVP barring a big turnaround.

He's not lighting it up stat wise, but he comes up big when it matters most. Given the skill position guys he has to work with, I'd say this season has been pretty impressive. Put any other qb on the Chiefs, and they're 2-4 at best.

He's been the 3rd most valuable player on the Chiefs to this point.

Jones and McDuffie have been more valuable than PM through 6 games. Hell, Hunt has been more critical the last 2 (our short yardage run game has saved our asses since he got here).

No, he's not the MVP. He's not even close.

Pretty sure Reid found an old copy of Schottenheimer's playbook. Unless something changes with the roster, the Martyball era is here with the added advantage of unleashing Mahomes in case of emergency.

Let's not insult Reid by mentioning him in the same sentence as one of the most overrated coaches in history.

Marty is not better than Reid, but Reid was not winning SBs until Mahomes came to KC. The Chiefs found new ways to choke in the playoffs under Andy Reid, until Mahomes became starter. The Eagles made one SB appearance during all his seasons in Philadelphia despite having good teams for many years.

They're both coaches who had winning teams in multiple places. One got lucky with a generation QB in his prime and the other didn't.

Marty had a top-flight defense and running game for the better part of a decade, and retired with an empty trophy case.

He was an underachiever. Reid accomplished far more in Philly than Marty did in KC.

If MVP is like which QB has put up the best stats in the season (which I think is a fair way to look at it) no way should Mahomes be talked about as an MVP, stat wise he's abysmal. But yeah given the situation, it's very impressive he's 6-0. He just does whatever is needed, stats be damned.

If we 3 peat it doesn't matter if he wins MVP or not, like ever again. If we 3 peat especially given the injuries on offense, he's hands down the greatest to ever do it, no questions.

In hindsight, having an elite QB would be better than a top flight defense and a running game with Bono/Grbac throwing passes in the playoffs.

In an era when "defense wins championships" was more true than it is today, Marty underachieved. Guys like Doug Williams and Mark Rypien weren't world beaters either, but they each won rings.

No I think it goes to show how much harder it is to win without a generational qb. Andy got some shit for not winning the big one but he won a lot of big ones. Marty couldn’t win any of the big ones. Very big distinction. Yeah mahomes launched Reid into a different stratosophere but Reid was already miles ahead of Marty. There are so many coaches who got to the Super Bowl or won because all the bounces went the right way and it’s unfortunate that Reid for so many decades had his accomplishments tarnished for that.

Superbowl championships matter, MVP's not so much, weirdly Pat Mahomes stats this year remind me of Peyton Mannings stats in his final season. It's just weird how his play has dropped off and he is 29, you would think he would be cresting and apexing at this point not dropping off. I get that the WR room is running on vapor and that Kelce is in his twilight years, and the LT situation is honestly inexcusable by the front office. But he is panicking and abandoning fairly clean pockets, not to mention missing wide open WR's. The overthrow to Worthy at the beginning of the second half in yesterday's game pretty much says everything about Mahomes' play this year. I'm sure Brady/PManning had some down seasons as well, but not sure if they were ever ever this down, except for PManning's final season.

Not a prayer.

Traditionally the MVP has gone to the QB whom had the best stats of the #1 seeded teams.

It's why Lamar Jackson, while not having the best stats, won MVP last year.

It'll be interesting to see how this plays out as we're in the driver's seat for the #1 seed at the moment, while our QB has been rather ordinary.

The Marty Ball is here for a few reasons.

1. Our Oline has been "meh" in pass protection"

2. Our receiving group is depleted.

3. Mahomes isn't seeing the field well or throwing well either. And he really hasn't been for awhile now.

I talked about this during the game with some friends…

IF we go undefeated, absolutely Mahomes is in the conversation for MVP, but that’s what it’ll take this year for him to get the recognition without big stat lines.

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Part of me hopes we go 17-0 with Pat putting up a stat line of something like 4,000 yards, 20 TDs and 17 INTs to win the MVP.

That would reeeallly piss everyone off lol

Maybe not at the time.

But it's possible, I'll grant you.

I won't say Marty is the reason he doesn't have a Super Bowl ring. Bad luck can certainly keep some great coaches from getting one (though there's a reason Marty is the first one to come to mind).

However, there's a difference between 'Doesn't have a ring' and 'loses 3/4 of his playoff games'.

Marty went 5-13 in the post-season, fellas. That's AWFUL. That's not bad luck, that's bad coaching.

I mean just go through the ranks of coaching wins. Lets set the cut-off at 100 wins (that's a damn good, but not great career).

There are just a handful of dudes with playoff records as bad/worse than Marty.

Steve Owen: 2-8
Marvin Lewis: 0-7
Jim Mora: 0-6
Sid Gilman: 1-5
George Allen: 2-7

Steve Owen coached in the 30s. George Allen at least won a conference championship.

So you've got Marty, Marvin, Mora and Sid Gilman.

Those...uh...aren't great coaches. And I'm hard pressed to say the rest of that group was even good.

Being 6-0 and winning with clutchness late means it has bought Mahomes a chance to still make it happen. Just think it's gonna require an insane TD-INT ratio the rest of the way.

I’m confident the INTs are going to really slow down. Each of the last 3 in the last two games are just bad luck. He hasn’t had the same issues as the first four games. Now if he can get on a roll with TDs to go with that he can become a legitimate MVP candidate again.

Lamar won last year because he put up decent stats but was the QB of the best team in the league. Mahomes doesn’t need to lead the league in most passing stats to win MVP, but he needs to do better than what he’s shown so far this year.

He's got 6 TDs and 8 INTs for the season and you think he should win MVP?

No way in hell. He's not playing at an MVP level and I'm sure he would be the first to admit that

He's mentioned this, but if he hits the passes that he has available, the ints will come down.

The 2nd pick, for instance, just flat doesn't happen if he hits the deep ball to Worthy 2 plays previously. The pick was bad luck but it was bad play that put him in that position to begin with.

And heck, the first pick may not happen if he doesn't take the sack the play before.

Some of those interceptions will always be there, but a lot of them will go away if the plays AROUND them get cleaned up. And with the team generally being efficient (though not explosive), they are executing more often than they aren't.

Give him it. As far as I'm concerned, like LeBron in his prime, he should get it every season.

The stats aren't going to be there this year, but that is for reasons largely out of his control (i.e. having the worst group of WRs in the league after virtually all of his weapons got hurt). He remains the best player in football when it matters.

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Go **** yourself with that take. Marty was the 2nd best coach this franchise has ever had and with any luck he'd be in the HOF.

Hitting open receivers is definitely something he can control.

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Can a coach win the MVP? Steve Spagnuolo would get my vote if so.

It isn't quite that simple. It's evident that he has no rhythm with them and/or they are still doing things he doesn't expect.

There's a huge difference between what he has with Kelce (and what he was starting to form with Rice) and what he has with the others that comprise this team's receiver room.

Says the guy who constantly criticizes Brady for his stats during an era when it was much harder to pass.

Lol

How much sense does Mahomes make for MVP?
 

Don't care about the MVP race at this point. All that matters is wins and post season wins so let someone else puff out their MVP chest as we hoist the Lombardi!

Worthy was too open. Clearly his fault Mahomes missed him. One day maybe you will accept that it’s okay to blame Mahomes for bad plays that are obviously his fault.

To this point, none. His numbers look like Danny Dimes'.


The MVP of this team is currently Spags, and it's not close at all.

Peyton Manning was better than Brady during their respective primes but played on far worse defensive teams for most of his career. I trust you aren’t suggesting that Allen or Lamar are better than Mahomes?

80.4 QBR yesterday against one of the best defenses in the league. Everybody is gonna miss throws from time to time; that doesn’t mean he wasn’t very good against SF.

That wasn't one of the best defenses in the league. They're really banged up. No Greenlaw, Hufanga, Ward was dinged up from last week. I don't know their DL that well, but I remember reading that they were dealing with injuries up front, at LB and in the secondary.

Combined with all the injuries they had on offense, we didn't play the best version of SF at all. We played the JV version.

Even if he had 0 INTs, you're not winning MVP throwing 1 TD pass per game.

My guess is Goff or Lamar win the MVP this season. The former is playing for a dynamic offense and is a feelgood story. The latter is someone the league wants to push as an elite QB on Mahomes' level. Both are surrounded by offensive talent that allows them to compile big numbers.

Forgot about Josh Allen. He's up there also and hasn't won MVP before. Another guy the league is pushing as being on Mahomes' level.

It's Goff at the moment

He’s definitely not gonna win regular season MVP. But he’s playing better than traditional stats would suggest. Currently Tied for 10th in ESPN’s QBR metric.

I wouldn't be butthurt about Goff getting it, he's been good for a while now. He hasn't won one and right now he's leading in like YPA and passing %. plus he kind of looks like ryan gosling which I am told the ladies like

Not sure about that. Goff is 16th in QBR. Looks like the first 3 games were not very good, with QBR grades ranging from 30/100 to 43/100. He’s been playing at a very high level the last 3 games, with QBR grades ranging from 71/100 to 94/100.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr

https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/game...779/jared-goff

No way, Goof is a bundle of sticks. LMAO

Jayden Daniels is my MVP at this time.

Personally, not a big fan of Goff. However;

Last three games his stats have been historically good. His PR over the last three is something like 153.2, and he leads the league in several other passing stats over that span. Now, two of those defenses weren't very good (SEA/DAL), but MIN has a very good defense and he diced them up.

This is a dumb thread.

It’s Josh Allen if you’re not gonna give it to the best QB in the league.

My thoughts:

- If the Chiefs get past the Bills to remain undefeated, and Pat rebounds to have a few 3 TD games, then I think he's in the mix.

- At the moment, there's not really a runaway candidate. It's a very weird NFL year so far with injuries and inconsistent play.

- If everything stayed the same and we are in week 16, I think Goff would have the momentum due to the Lions record and his accuracy stats.

- It's a QB award. There's not a defender that is blowing the world away statistically to change that this year. Same with WR or RB.

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In summary - if this team stays undefeated while the other teams (Lions, Ravens, Bills) take a few L's, and Pat starts connecting with Worthy on deep shots (he will), I think he'll work his way into the conversation in mid-November. The conversation will shift to "look what he's done despite all the adversity."

If we drop a couple games, and Pat's stats stay the same, there's no chance.

Thankfully, we proved last year that the regular season is our pre-season and we get disgusting in the playoffs. Our Rungame (Hunt, Pacheco, Steele) + Our Defense + even a Mid-level Patrick is almost insurmountable in January/February.

Are you sayin' Patrick Mahomes has played bad?

His stats this season are not that great. He will not be the NFL MVP. But still, in the fourth quarter of a playoff game, there is nobody better than Mahomes.

Chris Jones is my MVP. Wrecking havoc every time. Don't care how many sacks he has.

The only flaw Patrick has is that there's PTSD from the Tampa Bay Superbowl.

By that I mean, if our LT has a terrible game, Patrick gets nervous and starts feeling/reacting to pressure way more dramatically for a few games.

He has to work out of that slump.

For the future - we absolutely have to ****ing lock down our Oline, above all else.

Tom Brady 3 MVPs in the regular season probably looses sleep with regret

They have had constant change at Left Tackle since the beginning of 2021. The only time he had stability there was Year 2 with Orlando Brown, which led to a MVP regular season in 2022. For comparison, 99% of Josh Allen’s career has featured a pretty durable/healthy Dion Dawkins.

It would be nice if Wanya or Kingsley is able to become a long term option instead of the constant Band-Aid LT situation every year.

Wow, this says it all. Goff is playing so good that Pasta approves.

It's easy to see why you are a LeBronie. You get so infatuated w a player you refuse to look at things even close to objectively and think stats only matter when it serves your argument.

Let me help you figure things out. MVP isn't a career award, It's a season award. You just said a QB that currently has 6 TDs and 8 INTs should just be handed the MVP trophy every season.

Just stop..

I'm confident Mahomes will get things turned around and he is still doing OK overall. But MVP? There's no way he deserves that.

I'm saying he hasn't been great and any idiot can see he's missed several opportunities to hit Worthy for big plays.

I also have said it doesn't matter right now and that he will turn it around when it matters. It's ok for him to have a few regular seasons where he's not elite as long as they make the playoffs and he does what he needs to there.

However, I differ from a bunch of people with the "nothing else matters besides winning" stuff. I wanna win, but I also want our star players racking up the stats and winning regular season awards. We only get 17 regular season games and 3-4 post season games. I wanna see us dropping 35+ on teams and Mahomes having 300+ yds and 3 TDs.

Yeah we are winning but he'll most of those games over the last 1.5 seasons hasn't been fun to watch. Playoff games are fun, but I watch football to be entertained. This brand of football isn't very entertaining. At least not to me.

It's not even worth a discussion with him. He's not gonna admit he's wrong and is irrational as shit.

While i mostly agree with this, it should be noted that winning is much, much more preferred than losing.

So while it hasn't been fireworks and magic it's still been the best fan experience in the NFL since 2017.

But yeah, i agree that i watch football to be entertained. Fireworks and magic are entertaining. And we ALL want to see Mahomes be exceptional. I don't believe anyone that would say they don't care if Mahomes is putting up stats.

As fans of Mahomes and the Chiefs, of ****ing course we want to see him smash all the GOAT records on his way to being the undisputed greatest of all time.

As Chiefs fans, we all wanna pound our chest for decades later after Mahomes has retired and cemented his legacy.

Patrick Mahomes II is always my MVP because he will always be the guy making the plays at the end of the Super Bowl. And stats be damned, I watch him play every week and no player in the league is more valuable.

The best player on the best team generally wins MVP in every league I've ever watched. Why should this year be any different?

Would you rather have a guy posting touchdown stats right now than the guy who is leading his team to a perfect record despite all of his offensive weapons being decimated?

Mahomes' numbers would clearly be fine if his top two WRs were healthy. He's managed his way around that and made the plays he's needed to make to get this team wins each week. He's the real MVP.

Accurate. Some will always try to find reasons to pick someone else each year, but we all know who the real MVP of this league still is.