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DenverChief 09-15-2024 05:29 PM

A Levelheaded Review Week 2 2024
 
Mahomes just flat out missed that LB lurking and threw it right to him. The pass to Rice for a TD was a thing of beauty. Perfectly placed just out the reach of the defender and right in the bread basket of Rice. That second pick was Mahomes frustration he really likes pushing the ball down the field and the Bungholes really know how to take that away and force us to play the short game.

The PI call on McDuffie was bad, Chase grabbed him by the shoulder pads inside the neck and pulled him in. The PI Non-call on Rice was terrible, the defender was there waaay before the ball.

Steele fumble just need better ball protection when running thru crowds. Defender did a good job of loading up a nice punch to knock it out. Just needs to learn from it and push on to the next rep.

Our biggest weakness on defense these first two weeks seems to be TE's. The LB's just don't seem the same without Gay out there. Bolton in coverage is always trailing...

Pacheco is looking really good this year running the ball hard and getting a lot more YPC (5.1 YPC in the first half). Also really has seemed to improve his receiving out of the backfield

Notable that Skyy Moore is getting snaps, haven't seen any Juju in the first half. Seems that most of the Offensive sets have been Worthy and Rice. Watson sprinkled in a couple of times.

Kickoff roatation has been Moore, Hardman, Steele. Hardman and Steel had been the "starting" duo last week on kickoffs. Interesting to see Moore mixed in this week makes me wonder if they are showcasing him as part of a trade for another player since we are still sitting at 52 on the active roster after Hollywood was placed on the IR.

I really wanted to see the 68 yard field goal but with 24 seconds left it was the right call and Ariaza pinned them deep and made the Bungles run the QB sneak. Could have easliy turned into 2 points.

2 things on the first drive after halftime - a thing of beauty - not what we are used to seeing but if they wanna let us pound it down their throat then we will oblige and two - holy hell Kingsly must have gottn popped good in the mouth/nose. His chin strap was covered in blood.
https://i.ibb.co/R3LMh9n/IMG-5689.jpg

Wanya Morris for the TD lol - love seeing the fat guys get a TD. Could have easily gone to Kelce in the back of the EZ.

Reid leaving the game to have his hand looked at again. Hope everything is okay.

That could have been a great goal line stand but the rush kinda quit on the 4th down play. Looked like they were really tired -- bonus that their kicker missed the PAT.

The defensive line doesn't really seem to really get much of a push outside of Jones. But comes up huge with the strip and fumble return by Connor for a TD. Bummer we missed the 2Pt conversion but we needed the score by the D after the last INT.

Kingsley was getting taken to task by Hendrickson as the game wore on. Definitely need to work on figuring out LT. If he is getting abused by Hendrickson then Crosby and others are going to eat him alive. Morris seemed to fair a little better on the last drive after they pulled Kingsley. I thought the hands to the face was pretty ticky tacky. Yes, he got his hands up in Hendricksons face but it seemed pretty incidental and they came off just as fast as they went on. It wasn't a sustained hands to the face.

That was an excellent PI call on 4th and 16 he was there way too early. Too bad they missed the earlier PI call where Rice was hit too early.

Chamarri Connor on the DB blitz. What a timely sack to give the ball back to Mahomes with just over 2 minutes to go in the game.

Butker with the 51 yard FG for the win. Starting to be pretty standard that the Cheifs win against the Bangles by a FG. What a game.

smithandrew051 09-15-2024 05:33 PM

Butker is the GOAT kicker.

No one else has this combination of accuracy, power, clutch, accolades, and titles.

This is Justin Tucker plus Adam Vinatieri.

Bl00dyBizkitz 09-15-2024 05:33 PM

A lot to work on.

Couldn't get off the field on defense until we absolutely HAD to have it.
And 3 turnovers. Just can't do that.

Kind of a miracle we won this game.

BlackHelicopters 09-15-2024 05:35 PM

Butker has ice water in his veins.

TLO 09-15-2024 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz (Post 17685699)
A lot to work on.

Couldn't get off the field on defense until we absolutely HAD to have it.
And 3 turnovers. Just can't do that.

Kind of a miracle we won this game.

Doesn't matter much to me. This game will be forgotten by the end of the year, except in the standings.

Megatron96 09-15-2024 05:38 PM

Hope Pacheco is going to be okay.


Man, that was not a good game for the offense. No idea what the problem was, outside of the obvious, like Kingsley getting schooled by Hendrickson, but our receivers did not seem to be able to get open, shades of last season, which is a bad omen. Hope they get their shit figured out soonest.

WhawhaWhat 09-15-2024 05:38 PM

Most disappointing part of the game is that the Chiefs didn't cover.

smithandrew051 09-15-2024 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TLO (Post 17685747)
Doesn't matter much to me. This game will be forgotten by the end of the year, except in the standings.

The win plus the tiebreaker is huge.

This is a loss last year.

DenverChief 09-15-2024 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17685758)
Hope Pacheco is going to be okay.


Man, that was not a good game for the offense. No idea what the problem was, outside of the obvious, like Kingsley getting schooled by Hendrickson, but our receivers did not seem to be able to get open, shades of last season, which is a bad omen. Hope they get their shit figured out soonest.

They played a lot of 2 deep safeties. This forced a lot of underneath stuff that we had to live with last year and either we weren’t calling the short underneath stuff or mahomes wasn’t taking it. We did take the run game they gave us.

Dante84 09-15-2024 05:41 PM

Two biggest (only?) issues with our team so far:

- LT is a hole unless/until Kingsley develops
- Secondary getting whooped by TE’s.

I’m sure we’ll get it figured out.

duncan_idaho 09-15-2024 05:43 PM

Whew. W is always better than an L.

But yeah, some concerns out there.

Lou Anurumo might be the only DC who I think is as good as Steve Spagnuolo. Dude just always has a good plan against Reid and Mahomes.

Chiefs are going to have to figure out some things at LT. I still think Suamataia can be effective and have a good season, but Hendrickson is a really tough matchup. Don't remember seeing much 13, but some 13 sets with a TE attached to the LT or coming down for a crackback on Hendrickson to slow him down seems in order.

Also have to find some adjustment in their nickel and dime sets that helps against TEs. They're getting roasted there. Maybe they can find a 3 safety look that works better, IDK.

Room to improve.

Oh, and they miss what Marquise Brown offers. He would help against tough, grabby man coverage.

Bl00dyBizkitz 09-15-2024 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TLO (Post 17685747)
Doesn't matter much to me. This game will be forgotten by the end of the year, except in the standings.

Once again, I'm glad it's early in the season. Plenty of time to fix this stuff.

I hate Lou, he's such a good ****ing coordinator. Even after letting us gash them with the run game, he always finds a way to make Patrick look small. I don't know how he does it, but it's pretty impressive.

Hayneplane 09-15-2024 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17685768)
The win plus the tiebreaker is huge.

This is a loss last year.

Ravens and Bengals both 2 games down on the Steelers in AFC North. That division is going to be a slugfest now and unlikely to deliver a top 2 seed.

chiefzilla1501 09-15-2024 05:44 PM

We still have a wide receiver problem. This time you can’t be mad at the chiefs because they brought in the right guys. Hollywood was just what we needed and also bought time for worthy to develop.

But man it’s gonna be a lot of slugging it out until worthy is ready. We really need to loosen up defenses. We are dangerous short and horizontal but we are so limited vertically

DenverChief 09-15-2024 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 17685833)
We still have a wide receiver problem. This time you can’t be mad at the chiefs because they brought in the right guys. Hollywood was just what we needed and also bought time for worthy to develop.

But man it’s gonna be a lot of slugging it out until worthy is ready. We really need to loosen up defenses. We are dangerous short and horizontal but we are so limited vertically

It really was the 2 high safety scheme today. We need to make sure we have our 3-5 yard route tree ready for next week. If Defenses are going to play that against us again Mahomes will have to carve them up slowly instead of in chunks like he likes.

Bl00dyBizkitz 09-15-2024 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 17685823)
Whew. W is always better than an L.

But yeah, some concerns out there.

Lou Anurumo might be the only DC who I think is as good as Steve Spagnuolo. Dude just always has a good plan against Reid and Mahomes.

Chiefs are going to have to figure out some things at LT. I still think Suamataia can be effective and have a good season, but Hendrickson is a really tough matchup. Don't remember seeing much 13, but some 13 sets with a TE attached to the LT or coming down for a crackback on Hendrickson to slow him down seems in order.

Also have to find some adjustment in their nickel and dime sets that helps against TEs. They're getting roasted there. Maybe they can find a 3 safety look that works better, IDK.

Room to improve.

Oh, and they miss what Marquise Brown offers. He would help against tough, grabby man coverage.

Is it me, or did Andy just kinda leave the poor kid to fend for himself? There were maybe 1-2 screens in that direction, little chip help until the 2nd half. IDK if that's on purpose to get him on the learning fast track, but man that was BRUTAL.

dirk digler 09-15-2024 05:49 PM

Need to get Donovon Smith on the phone

Basileus777 09-15-2024 05:51 PM

LT is obviously the alarm right now, we saw the rookie's floor and it's not good enough. Tackle play completely derailed the offense. Can the coaching staff get him or Morris to an acceptable level?

Bearcat 09-15-2024 05:55 PM

Crazy game... Bengals and Bills are basically division rival level in terms of how often they play, with the bonus of playing in some huge games, so can't ever expect it to be easy.

I would have been stressing the hell out had that kind of chaos occured in the playoffs, but it was pretty fun to watch given it's week 2.

Two of their top ~4 or 5 games down and we all get to laugh at the Ravens and Bengals (and Broncos) being 0-2. :toast:

Megatron96 09-15-2024 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 17685849)
It really was the 2 high safety scheme today. We need to make sure we have our 3-5 yard route tree ready for next week. If Defenses are going to play that against us again Mahomes will have to carve them up slowly instead of in chunks like he likes.




Still, we should've gotten more going underneath, with the TEs at least, but just two catches from our TEs all day.

Didn't think we'd miss Hollywood that much in this one, but we certainly missed something or somebody, because we could get anything going down the field. Though, that last INT by Pat was mostly on Pat. Pass was way too flat. Really needed to lob that one over the top and let Worthy run under it. But, really, it just seemed like our receivers weren't able to get open. Again. Which is concerning.

chiefzilla1501 09-15-2024 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 17685849)
It really was the 2 high safety scheme today. We need to make sure we have our 3-5 yard route tree ready for next week. If Defenses are going to play that against us again Mahomes will have to carve them up slowly instead of in chunks like he likes.

I really don’t miss Mvs at all. But it shows why you still kind of need it. Mvs was actually a decent weapon against cincy because you can go over the top on them as long as mahomes picks the right spots.

RunKC 09-15-2024 06:01 PM

The offense looked like last years and that’s very worrying

Bl00dyBizkitz 09-15-2024 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17685980)
The offense looked like last years and that’s very worrying

Lou does that. He makes you play the most boring brand of football and waits for the mistakes to happen.

DenverChief 09-15-2024 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17685943)
Still, we should've gotten more going underneath, with the TEs at least, but just two catches from our TEs all day.

Didn't think we'd miss Hollywood that much in this one, but we certainly missed something or somebody, because we could get anything going down the field. Though, that last INT by Pat was mostly on Pat. Pass was way too flat. Really needed to lob that one over the top and let Worthy run under it. But, really, it just seemed like our receivers weren't able to get open. Again. Which is concerning.

I think - without seeing the A22 - that we didn't really scheme anything under it was all 10+ yards. Thats an Andy issue, we should have been running routes for the underneath stuff but I don't think we were.

chiefzilla1501 09-15-2024 06:15 PM

If I’m remembering right last year when we played cincy, Mvs was insanely wide open on a few long walk in TDs but mahomes overthrew him. Prior to that he put up 116 and 71 vs cincy. If there’s one thing he did well it was show out against cincy. We really need that kind of option because it’ll take some time for worthy to get there.

notorious 09-15-2024 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17685980)
The offense looked like last years and that’s very worrying

It's Cincy. Happens every time we play. wbf

DenverChief 09-15-2024 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 17685936)
Crazy game... Bengals and Bills are basically division rival level in terms of how often they play, with the bonus of playing in some huge games, so can't ever expect it to be easy.

I would have been stressing the hell out had that kind of chaos occured in the playoffs, but it was pretty fun to watch given it's week 2.

Two of their top ~4 or 5 games down and we all get to laugh at the Ravens and Bengals (and Broncos) being 0-2. :toast:

That really is nice eh? Having the Broncos, Ravens, Bengals and the Jaguars all 0-2.

TheGuardian 09-15-2024 06:48 PM

The TE's are whopping us because Gay is gone. He was the TE equalizer last few years. That's all it is. The other guys cannot do what he did for this defense.

KC_Lee 09-15-2024 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz (Post 17685862)
Is it me, or did Andy just kinda leave the poor kid to fend for himself? There were maybe 1-2 screens in that direction, little chip help until the 2nd half. IDK if that's on purpose to get him on the learning fast track, but man that was BRUTAL.

Agree 100%. We threw his to the wolves today and did not offer support with a chip or keeping a back in to block.

petegz28 09-15-2024 06:55 PM

Team in general is still getting their legs. The running game is looking good but with Pacheco hurt we will see what Perine can bring.

Defense is still a bit too inconsistent but overall they are doing okay.

Mahomes has got to figure it out. 3 interceptions in 2 games and a 4th called back due to penalty.

Kelce's age is showing but he still commands attention and will be there later in the season.

Offensive Line is hurting in pass protection right now, particularly at LT. That right now is about the only glaring worry.

DenverChief 09-15-2024 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Basileus777 (Post 17685899)
LT is obviously the alarm right now, we saw the rookie's floor and it's not good enough. Tackle play completely derailed the offense. Can the coaching staff get him or Morris to an acceptable level?

I wouldn't say alarming - it didn't really seem to be a problem until the later 3rd/4th - wondering if Hendrickson was pouring on a physical beating. The pic above was just before the 4th when he got pulled.

DenverChief 09-15-2024 07:24 PM

I was really surprised that Juju wasn't involved....wonder if he is still trying to get his legs under him...no pun intended.

DenverChief 09-15-2024 08:01 PM

2024 Week 1

Rice 7/9 for 103 yards 14.7 YPC
Worthy 2/3 for 47 yards 23.5 YPC
Gray 3/3 for 37 yards 12.3 YPC
Kelce 3/4 for 34 yards 11.3 YPC
Pacheco 2/3 for 33 yards 16.5 YPC
Watson 1/1 for 25 yards 25 YPC
Perine 1/2 for 10 yards 10 YPC

2023 Week 2
Moore 3/4 for 70 yards 12.3 YPC
Watson 3/5 62 yards 18 YPC
Toney 5/5 for 35 yards 7.4 YPC
Gray 3/3 for 38 yards 3.7 YPC
Kelce 4/9 for 26 yards 3.5 YPC
McKinnon 3/3 for 24 yards 8.0 YPC
CEH 2/2 for 17 yards 7.5 YPC
MVS 2/3 for 23 yards 6.5 YPC
Rice 2/2 for 10 yards 10 YPC
Pacheco 1/2 for -7 yards



vs 2024 Week 2

Rice 5/6 for 75 yards 15.1 YPC
Watson 2/2 for 22 yards 11.0 YPC
Pacheco 5/5 for 21 yards 4.2 YPC
Worthy 2/4 for 17 yards 8.0 YPC
Wiley 1/1 7 yards
Kelce 1/3 5 yards
Perine 1/1 3 yards
Morris 1/1 1 yard

Palangi 09-15-2024 08:14 PM

There is some fat that needs to be trimmed from this roster. Looking at Nnadi and Skyye. Let Lovett play and see what he can be. Pernell is a great run stuffing guy and Wharton is just a JAG. I’d cut Wharton and Nnadi bring up Tuitupo and Lovett up. We need more inside help with jones.

WR needs help with Hollywood going down. Juju and Moore are a waste of roster space.

Bolton needs to sit in obvious passing downs let Hicks and Tranquill play the LB spots in those situations.

scho63 09-15-2024 08:19 PM

5 of the next 6 opponents have some pretty good defenses and top notch pass rushers.

Andy better fix his shit immediately.

Easy 6 09-15-2024 08:20 PM

Even during a win its tough to find anything worth bragging about tonight, we just gutted it out by the hair of our chinny chin chin... literally nothing stood out tonight, yet we still won

Maybe the lesson here is that you can suck ass, and still win if you're good enough down in the bones of your franchise

LongSufferingToady 09-15-2024 11:14 PM

Play was sloppy on the offensive line.
There were too many penalties as a result of being sloppy.
I also ding Andy Reid because his play calling was horrid.
But a win is a win.

UteChief 09-15-2024 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackHelicopters (Post 17685732)
Butker has ice water in his veins.

He’s doing God’s work.

Hammock Parties 09-15-2024 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17685695)
Butker is the GOAT kicker.

No one else has this combination of accuracy, power, clutch, accolades, and titles.

This is Justin Tucker plus Adam Vinatieri.

He reminds me of me kicking field goals in Madden. Or, anyone who isn't an idiot kicking field goals in Madden. ROFL

JPH83 09-15-2024 11:26 PM

There was plenty of bad. We have a lower floor at LT than last year, to be honest I expected this. We're just going to have to give the guys more help and hope they develop. Alongside the Holywood injury it'll limit what they can do. Holywood AND Worthy was what, for me, would take this offense to a whole new level. Without the former I think we're closer to last year than we'd like.

The defense looks worse than last year. Again, I expected this but the problem looks like an LB and DL one, not an issue with our CBs. I'd expect this to improve but the lack of a LB who is good in coverage (no, I don't count Tranquil) is a problem. Obviously our DTs not called Jones are horrible and our DEs are not, sadly, Hendricksen.

Bengals are going to be a hard out, again. They have Jenkins, Higgins and Mims to come back. Burton will be brought on. They seem to have found some TEs. And their defense always gives Mahomes fits.

On the other hand...we won, and we'll clean bits up. F*** the Bengals.

TEX 09-16-2024 05:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JPH83 (Post 17686966)
There was plenty of bad. We have a lower floor at LT than last year, to be honest I expected this. We're just going to have to give the guys more help and hope they develop. Alongside the Holywood injury it'll limit what they can do. Holywood AND Worthy was what, for me, would take this offense to a whole new level. Without the former I think we're closer to last year than we'd like.

The defense looks worse than last year. Again, I expected this but the problem looks like an LB and DL one, not an issue with our CBs. I'd expect this to improve but the lack of a LB who is good in coverage (no, I don't count Tranquil) is a problem. Obviously our DTs not called Jones are horrible and our DEs are not, sadly, Hendricksen.

Bengals are going to be a hard out, again. They have Jenkins, Higgins and Mims to come back. Burton will be brought on. They seem to have found some TEs. And their defense always gives Mahomes fits.

On the other hand...we won, and we'll clean bits up. F*** the Bengals.

Yes, figured with Hollywood + Worthy the offense would be next level, and would be able to compensate for the defense taking a step backwards. I think the biggest problem with the offense is LT.

DenverChief 09-16-2024 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scho63 (Post 17686566)
5 of the next 6 opponents have some pretty good defenses and top notch pass rushers.

Andy better fix his shit immediately.

Falcons, Chargers, Saints, 49ers, Raiders and Bucs?

The Chargers have played the Raiders and the Panthers not exactly offensive powerhouses.

The Falcons are meh on D at best.

The Saints are boat racers on O

The 40ers have a decent defense

The Raiders also have a decent defense

The Bucs are pretty good as well

tyton75 09-16-2024 11:17 AM

Did it look like Pat was throwing different? Seems like he wasn't coming over the top like he normally does and was more short-arming his throws. Maybe I'm way off but just looked weird to me.

DenverChief 09-16-2024 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tyton75 (Post 17687659)
Did it look like Pat was throwing different? Seems like he wasn't coming over the top like he normally does and was more short-arming his throws. Maybe I'm way off but just looked weird to me.


Interesting. I'll have to go back and watch.

PunkinDrublic 09-16-2024 01:16 PM

I think one of the clutch moments of the game was that last disguised blitz to sack Burrow. Spags is like a championship poker player that knows the right time to bluff or go all in. He picked just the right moment to call that blitz and Burrow didn’t know what to do,

Hayneplane 09-16-2024 01:57 PM

Not too worried about the tackle situation as we can’t expect flawless play from snap 1. Hendrickson is elite as well and as good an edge rusher as anyone in the league bar Micah Parsons/TJ Watt/Myles Garrett so it is no shame for a rookie to struggle against him.

FloridaMan88 09-16-2024 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hayneplane (Post 17688198)
Not too worried about the tackle situation as we can’t expect flawless play from snap 1. Hendrickson is elite as well and as good an edge rusher as anyone in the league bar Micah Parsons/TJ Watt/Myles Garrett so it is no shame for a rookie to struggle against him.

Hendrickson is not the only elite pass rusher the Chiefs will be playing this season.

Mack twice, Crosby twice, TJ Watt, Myles Garrett… to name a few.

JPH83 09-16-2024 02:13 PM

Top 3 players on D from PFF were:

Chenal - 86
McDuffie - 77...of course, and...
FAU - 76.

Take it all with a pinch of salt given he had 12 snaps, but I'm going to choose to feel positive about FAU. Who knows, but if he shows up that'd be a damn nice bonus.

JPH83 09-16-2024 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FloridaMan88 (Post 17688221)
Hendrickson is not the only elite pass rusher the Chiefs will be playing this season.

Mack twice, Crosby twice, TJ Watt, Myles Garrett… to name a few.

I said this elsewhere, but he's going to need a combination of help and quick development

T-post Tom 09-16-2024 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tyton75 (Post 17687659)
Did it look like Pat was throwing different? Seems like he wasn't coming over the top like he normally does and was more short-arming his throws. Maybe I'm way off but just looked weird to me.

I'm not worried:

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