Boy it looks like the Chiefs really don't like their CB room
 

On top of claiming Eric Scott

They also placed claims on Shemar Bartholomew and Sam Womack III. Even though they were only awarded 1 because of other teams placing 3 claims on corners is telling.

I think Veach is going to use most of the cap space trading for a veteran corner in season.

They don't like the dudes at the bottom. And to be honest, I didn't see anything all that great out of the double last name dude. And Nic Jones at times looked like the second coming of Bartee with his inability to turn his goddamn head. But the rest of them?

If they stay healthy, there's a zero percent chance this Scott guy gets more snaps than Watson, Williams, and Johnson.

Oh, and McDuffie, but that was obvious.

Watson and Williams are fine, IMO.

But reading between the lines sounds like Spags is begging Veach for more.

At this point we have a stud in McDuffie and then a bunch of guys. Hopefully, one of them will step up; preferably Joshua Williams because of this length and speed. We will definitely miss Sneed.

Watson and Williams always seemed pretty good and people have been saying that Nazeeh Johnson is the next Deion Sanders or something.

Not surprising. Nazeeh Johnson isn't going to hold up at the NFL level and Kelvin Joseph was a waste of time. Pretty sure they had high hopes for both players and unfortunately they're complete non factors.

We needed to pay Creed Humphrey 19m a year so we couldn't pay Sneed 16M a year. This was very important.

This could be the inspiration for a season long thread...

Yeah. Unless his knee really is on the verge of imploding I don't agree with that decision at all. Sneed was key to making this defense elite.

I think the Chiefs are just really, really good at scouting CBs, and this extends to pro scouting as well as who we draft. The guys we have may be fine, but if there are upgrades being made available out there, why not?

The Chiefs don't pay guys who are at risk of aging out of the league too quickly.

Maybe if Sneed had already received his mega millions before this, the Chiefs would have felt better about offering him a 1-2 year deal, but they clearly didn't feel comfortable going 3, 4, or even 5 years.

They're going to miss Sneed. That's a given. But they may miss him a lot more than they had anticipated, because none of the other Corners stepped up. CB2 could be a problem. But it looks like they know it's a possibility, and are signing as much talent as they can.

Sneed was a MF boss

Here's an inaccurate thought experiment because I know this isn't how the league works, but just go with it.

Let's say you can only pick one:

-Pay Sneed a big contract now on the eve of our 3-peat
-Pay McDuffie in a couple seasons when it's his turn

I'd rather pay McDuffie. I think he'll be that much better than Sneed, if he's not already.

Don’t chase paying guys to keep a defense elite

Too much variance year to year and offense is more predictable

Watson and Nazeeh coming off big injuries but Conner did look good in the slot last season.

I think we’ll be okay but will struggle early at CB3/CB4

We have to pay McDuffie, he's a different breed. The only situation where it would be okay to let him go would be a blockbuster trade. But I'd prefer we just pay him some big money when the time comes.

This.

TEX usually his pessimistic self but he’s spot on. Spags has repeatedly said no one has stepped up for the second corner position. Our secondary is going to have some real regression (and pass rush too by extension).

Our question marks are OL and secondary. Provide something adequate and we’ll win a third SB in a row.

Yea, I dont get that one. Maybe they just didn't have faith in Sneed's knee.

There's already reports in Tennessee about him not practicing.

So you start looking around at teams that are gonna suck that might have a cb to trade

With the caveat that I don’t think it’s an either or, I’m not convinced McDuffie will ever be the full lockdown guy Sneed was last year on WR1s (but that doesn’t mean he can’t have a better career holistically). And I would’ve preferred to go a touch more all in for the 3-peat and let Sneed play on that tag.

Yep. The plan this year is to improve the offense, so it can make up for the defense slipping. With a scorched earth offense, the defense just has to be decent.

I'd be open to this being a spinoff poll. I lean McDuffie but it's pretty close for me.

Midway through the season:

“How do the Chiefs do it? Plug and play and presto: a top 5 secondary”

Trade for Patrick Peterson

I just don't know what our elite running offense would do without the best center. I bet we would be really bad. Patrick Mahomes is simply not fast enough to evade nose tackles and you see that every week! Nose tackles just quick and nimble destroying QBs. All the time!

Dudes are panicking and I think it’s simple:

Veach has a list of guys he really likes. If they become available he gets them. Our secondary is fine, you can never have enough guys that can play.

I expect McDuffie to be playing a lot outside and Chamarri Connor playing inside on key passing downs.

I told all you fools let Chris Jones fat @ss walk to Chicago. Save 10 million a year and keep Sneed. Nobody listened.

Sneeds knee only has limited time left.

Thats a no from me dog

Losing Sneed looms larger by the day, you just can't replace the level of lockdown he brought last season

Even without a vet CB signing I won't lose an hour of sleep though, by game six or so Spags will have solved the puzzle... and at least a couple of these young guys will have stepped up

We're at that dynasty level where the sheer weight of championship expectations demands that someone steps up and they usually do, all of the great dynasties could seemingly plug and play at will... weight can turn charcoal into a diamond

Really sucks we won a Super Bowl instead of saving that 10 mil.

Always love a Bartee reference. Any love for Warfield? Crispy and Toasty.

I HAD THE SAME IDEA!!!!

I actually like our Safety and DB versatility. Im not exactly worried. I know we will be worse but we should be slightly better at safety

While I agree we might need a decent corner, looks like we have an above average safety room going...

I think they're getting a feel for their wide receivers and recognizing that every opponent this year is going to be running five wide in the second half trying to play catchup. We're going to have to spell our CBs since they'll be on the field so much.

Okay, so which teams are likely to be sellers, and have guys that fit our scheme? Wondering who we could realistically get mid year if needed.

When a thread title starts out with “Boy…” you know it’s going to be a doozy

We stepped away from Ward and won an SB with Sneed and the Rook McDuff. Now Mcduff is the stud and someone needs to step up. We will be fine and if push comes the shove a Breeland Speaks mega beg thread will lure someone in.

Nah, if there was ever a room we’ve done more with for less it’s the DB room. Just a few years ago it was the end of the world when we didn’t bring back ward. What we know is…

Spags has been the king of low value DB gems
He has outsmarted teams who gave up on good CBs
Spags is going to be patient, experiment a lot early but by the final stretch he will have a cb room that is solid. And if we don’t veach is the king of using midseason moves to plug gaps

We good

Sound thinking. Im concernrd about CB2. But we have really good coaches so hopefully it will work out.

LMAO

Veach had built several champion teams with different strengths and weaknesses. He’s won it several different ways. I don’t doubt he will put the team in a position to do it again.

It will be hard to match last year’s secondary. Strength will arise elsewhere.

Pressure up the middle bothers QBs more than anything.

I told you to delete your account bitch

I NEED SOME PP IN MY LIFE!!!

Are you saying that Sneed might turn into Tennessee's Carlton Gray?

Here are the facts

1. We have the best DB coach/developer in the league.

2. We have a legendary DC who knows how to scheme things up to protect the db's if needed.

3. Three of our corners (Mcduffie, Watson and Williams) have played in several huge games including AFC championships and Superbowls. And have not been embarrassed most of the time. Even though they have faced elite qb's and offenses.

4. We don't know what we have in Christian Rolland-Wallace, Nazeeh Johnson or Eric Scott yet. But many believe CRW is the second best slot guy on the roster after Mcduffie and Nazeeh and Eric have traits that could be moulded into a decent player as the season progresses hopefully.

5. Next Thursday will be the first time our top defense will take the field. Until we see the whole squad together it's futile to judge it. Watson, Williams and Nazeeh never played with Reid, Bolton, Jones etc in the limited minutes they had this preseason and that matters imo.

So my point is let's wait and see what our secondary does when all the best players are on the field together.

I assume his knee must be pretty bad, based on how much trouble we had getting him traded, and the fact we didn't even get a current year pick for him. And then his new contract only made him 9th in AAV for CBs.

I mean Joe Burrow and Tom Brady maybe.

If the Chiefs were legit concerned about whichever CB was on the field opposite McDuffie, then they would have signed Stephon Gilmore.

He was there. He's got tread left on the tires. The Vikings got him for one year. We could have done the same.

Nope. Let him go play somewhere else.

We'll be fine.

There is some truth in this post.
I have a feeling our DB lineup will depend on the team and the WRs that we are facing. We all know that Nazeeh Johnson was doing great until his knee injury. If he can get back to where he was before that injury it will change things. I think we will see McDuffie on the opposing team's best WR and the rest of the CBs will line up accordingly.

I think Veach is as focused as he is on the DB room this off-season because he anticipates teams throwing the ball against us much more due to the improvements in our offense. This season won't be 20pt slugfests, but high flying offense and potential blow outs if the opposing team can't keep up. That's why they treated the DT room like "meh good enough with CJ95" but we are really looking at our DB's with a microscope. It's not a cause for concern, it's an early sign of how good Veach sees our offense being.

Not likely the D is as good as it was last year. Also not likely that the O is nearly as bad as it was. If the defense can be mid-range and the offense is top 5 we’ll be fine. Hopefully the pass rush is there because that’ll mask a suspect secondary. McDuffie is the only dude that can be trusted.

First snap of the regular season hasn’t even taken place, but Jake from Bitch Farm is already in playoff form and ready to shit up every game thread with his menstrual fluid-soaked opinions.

If we didn’t have Spags and Merritt I would be more concerned. They consistently get more out of our CBs than they should given where they were drafted. That also could be a reason they let Sneed walk.

The Defense was going to take a step back.

Well, this is that step back. I think all you can do is hope it's not too much of a weakness. If it is, then yeah, maybe hope you can make a deal.

Outside of last year how often has KC had a truly elite secondary in the Mahomes era?

BAH GAWD IT SURE DOESN’T

Mcduffie, Watson and Williams are plenty good enough

Wbf

I think if it were something they were really worried about as opposed to just trying to get better at the back end of the group if they see someone they like more, Veach would've traded for those CBs (guaranteeing they get them, like they did with Cam Thomas) instead of trying to grab them off the waiver wire when they're last in the pecking order. If it were about trying to get better at CB2, they'd probably go get a vet CB. I also doubt they thought they'd get all three CBs they put in waiver claims for, so maybe that was an approach to see if they could get one of them, and they did.

Find out soon enough. I say it was a short sell on Sneed. Let's see how much he plays. That knee... is worrisome.

Now that he's gone, people here think he's was the 2nd coming of Ronnie Lott. The simple answer is score more points than the other team.

We're going to be worse in the secondary and it could be more than I originally thought. I think it'll be a reasonable step back that's offset by the offense.

Fixed it for you.

This team feels exactly like the 2019 team with a better pass rush

People really overlook how much we have 3 safeties on the field. It's one thing to doubt the CB depth, but Reid/Cook/Conner/Hicks is VERY nice.

...and better O line, better LB's, better HB's, better D line (by January,) and a much deeper safety room.

Since Chamarri Conner is going to probably be playing slot corner full-time, it makes our depth look worse than it really is since he’s technically a safety. Josh Williams showed more than enough at the end of last year to convince me he can be a full time #2 on the outside.

We’ve seen flashes from Watson as well. Depth is definitely a concern, but how many teams really have 4-5 good corners? It just really doesn’t happen, last year was an anomaly for this team to be so insanely loaded at the position. I still expect a top 10 defense, which is more than enough considering what the offenses potential is this year.

We’ll be fine.

If the offense is better than last year and can start games punching the other team in the mouth, we could see some better statistical defensive performances than last year of oppositions are forced to be 1 dimensional pass-from-behind

I think leaving McDuffie singled up on Reek in a playoff game tells Buehler445 all he needs to know. I LOVE watching Sneed play. I'm a total douche homer for that dude. But I'm good with McDuffie. I think the problem may be on the other side. I'd argue McDuffie is in the same ZIP code as Sneed, but whoever they line up on the other boundary isn't in the same ZIP Code as McDuffie.

What the 2023 crew brought with McDuffie and Sneed on the outside was a shitload of flexibility. If McDuffie/whoever takes some stuff off the table, I can see why Spags can be fussy, because after you've driven a Bentley, it's hard to get back into a Taurus. But I'm confident Spags with a Taurus can get the job done.

Largely I agree.

The underrated part of what Spags brings to the table is scheming to avoid getting raped. Drawing up and executing awesome blitzes on big downs is great, but he does a great job of understanding his group and what he can get away with and where he needs to protect.

Dude is one hell of a coordinator. But for what stands out to me is not what he'll be remembered for. Sutton could draw up some neat shit, but he also had dudes demolishing us down the field or god ****ing Brady throwing to Edelman on 3rd and 8 with a 10 yard cushion all ****ing game long. (FUUUUUUUCK). Spags is known for the leverage plays, but I'm going to remember him for the whole package, and getting us in position for leverage.

I think where Spags wants to improve is trying to prevent having to cover for a dude.

Nice call on Gilmore. **** all things Brother****ing Cheatriot ****bag, but the dude can play.

Bueh is now speaking in the third person. LMAO

Third person = Three-peat

It makes DL all that more important.

Eric Scott isn't going to solve any CB issues. I think the CB room is fine.

Truth!

The linebackers are WAY better.

#5 is actually a really good point. Justin Reid and Nick Bolton haven't played. Chris Jones hardly played. We really haven't seen what this defense is going to look like this season. And then Omenihu will be back sometime around midseason.