Jordan Love holding out
 

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jordan Love will not practice until he has a new deal, Brian Gutekunst says. Love’s camp informed Packers of that decision Saturday.<br><br>Gutekunst says a deal could get done in the coming days, but you never know. Says big deals take time.<br><br>“I feel we’re close.” <a href="https://t.co/yeW5ScbUMm">pic.twitter.com/yeW5ScbUMm</a></p>&mdash; Matt Schneidman (@mattschneidman) <a href="https://twitter.com/mattschneidman/status/1815392210885513226?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 22, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

ROFL

8 good games and he's doing it.

**** the Packers.

Thank God for Veach/Reid.

Back to your regularly scheduled programming.

God I'm glad we have a QB who never pulls this bullshit

There's a song in here somewhere

He should hold out and demand the Packers leave that shithole of a city.

The guy that was drafted in 2020 and started for one season (last year) in the NFL?

LOL.

Good luck with that.

Excellent, hope he takes them for everything they're worth, lord knows they can afford it.

I hate it when players hold out. They sign their contracts then refuse to honor them. Teams can't refuse to honor their contracts with players, but players can refuse to honor their contracts with the teams.

Who could have foreseen more issues with this whole mishap of a situation? Brought him in to learn under Rodgers, guess what he picked up.. Some Diva bullshit.

How do you pay him? He's going to want top end money and he was 32td 11 int guy with 4100ish yards. He's not the bottom of the market but he's not elite either. The Pack should have rode Rodgers to the glue factory then taken their lumps to pick a QB high so they could actually use that rookie window.

I used to work for a Company that had season tickets for the Packers. When I lived in Chicago, I would take Clients to Packers games ~2x a year. Say what you want about Green Bay (not a big fan myself), but that Stadium is cool as hell. You can feel the history when you go there. If you like the NFL game day experience, you should really try and make it to a game at Lambeau.

Meh, I don't blame either Jordan love or the packers. He feels like a flash in the pan to me but he was exceptional second half od the season.

Think we are misreading this one. Love is on the last year of his contract and both he and the packers, I'm sure, don't want this to drag out too long. Because of the packers hold out too long, Love can just leave them after this season.

Ultimately Im guessing love holds out long enough to make his case and the packers give it a few games to see if he can continue his success. Nothing here feels too out of the ordinary

Excellent move on Love’s end.

It’s not personal, just business.

No what they need to do is build a dome in Michigan.

Because it isn't baseball where you're stuck with a bad contract. In the NFL the team can cut out halfway into the contract. So if teams don't honor contracts, players don't need to. In this case we are talking about the last year of his contract and it's standard for a player who is underpaid to lobby for an extension. And it is in the best interest of the packers to get something done earlier because waiting too long puts them at greater risk of losing them. I don't think either party is handling this inappropriately.

He showed enough last year that they'll have to pay him top dollar. And they will. Most other teams wish they had this problem.

The stadium is cool, but other than that he's 100% correct.

This city blows, I get out of here every weekend and head up to the cabin, and it gets harder to come back every damn time. Used to be more of a small town vibe when I was a kid so it wasn't as bad, but now it's the worst possible blend; none of the benefits of a big city but all the annoyances.

The nice part is you head 30-45 minutes in any direction and you can find pristine beauty. That's the only reason I stay.

Purdy should do the same.

It isn't Love's fault that they drafted him and waited this long to make him the starter :shrug:

Don't Hold Back Your Love, Hall & Oates

Teams can refuse to honor the contract, though. They cut players all the time.

And also didn't use the 5th year option.

Yeah, like I said, I'm not a fan of the City of Green Bay. My point was the Stadium is a cool experience, and if you like NFL FB games, you should try and make a game.

As any QB with any leverage should do...

From his side of the deal, he may never have as much leverage as he does right now. I'm not sold on him.

Other than the fact that he's not eligible for an extension until next year, sure.

I think he definitely improved but he also has a pretty solid play caller and a really nice cast around him. He's right to take advantage. What if he comes back to earth this season or gets hurt?

Trade them Carson Wentz for a 3rd and let Love sit and spin.

Love
Has all the leverage and both sides know it. He was among the best in the league the last 10 weeks of the season and had an incredible playoff debut in Dallas

Similar experience during my 18 year sentence in Chicagoland. Our biggest supplier had season tickets right behind the visitors bench and he gave them to me each time the Chiefs played there during that time. (3)

They were gracious fans, especially after the Chiefs comeback in 2003.

Packers fans have been as spoiled as any fan in football. Those fans have seen nothing but great QB play (good at worst) since Majkowksi in 1992.

32 ****ing years of good QB play at worst. That franchise needs to be humbled and have a Matt Cassel of their own soon

I'm perfectly fine with the Packers hogging the good QBs. Keep them out of the AFC, please.

That’s exactly how I see it. Players are not doing anything that teams are not.

Ok short bus. NFL teams can and do refuse to “honor” contracts.

“A player who signs a five-year deal has better odds of lasting one year (14.7 percent) than he does of lasting five years (13.7 percent). Players who sign four-year contracts in free agency have the exact same odds of lasting one year on the deal (23.1 percent) as lasting four years. Players on three-year contracts have roughly the same odds of the deal ending in one full season or less (34.3 percent) as they do of lasting the full term (36.2 percent). Less than half of players who sign two-year deals last two years (45.8 percent), and one-sixth don’t even make it through the first year.”

Imagine only getting 2 SB's out of 30 years of tier 1 franchise QB play though. Man that's got to be frustrating.

Every single contract that's signed, both the player and the team understand the guaranteed $, the outs in the contract, the potential value etc....

Its neither an advantage to the team or player unless the player and their agent are just dumb which is possible.

This. Players could get a guaranteed contract for less money. But they all opt for more money now and imaginary money later. They know the risk.

Curious your source on this. Got a link? Genuinely intrigued on the breakdown and want to see what else there is to be said.

That’s not what short bus was saying, though.

Almost as bad as your political takes. Green Bay is basically a college town where people live, eat, and breathe Packers.

Poor coaching since Lombardi left.

bummer

A bit overreaching I'd say and reports say he's not even practicing with the team until a new deal is reached with preseason right around the corner and only one full season starting.

I wouldn't pay him shit yet

Love was close to Lamar in uncatchable passes

Can’t post links.

2019 Ringer article entitled “When a Guarantee Isn’t Guaranteed”.

Don Majkowski should've done this.

Packers seem to always have contract drama with their QB... guess that's the price to pay for having 30+ years of franchise-caliber QB's.

Is this his contract year? I wouldn't pay him top QB $$$ yet. I have to see more than just 8 good games, especially after his less-than-stellar performance vs. SF in the playoffs. Maybe some kind of 2-year/$70M extension or whatever they're handing out these days, but that would be about it.

I think maybe they're just not very pro-active. They always seem to get caught with their pants down when it comes to QBs.

The problem is they never want to pay them market value. They refuse to do so for most positions, QB is the one exception, but they always do it begrudgingly while creating bad vibes in the process. Although, all indications are the Love negotiations have been friendly and it will get done soon.

I despise the Packers organization, but Love is actually a really good dude and QB. He's nothing like Favre and Rodgers. There is no diva in him whatsoever.

It would be amazing if Andy could get Wentz looking like his old self in the preseason games. It would be so nice to trade that bastard for some more draft capital.

I like Wentz as our back-up. Would need to be some pretty strong draft capital to want to go into the season effectively not even having one.

If we could get legit draft capital out of Wentz, I'd trust Andy to find someone else to come in. Dude has us winning games with the corpse of Matt Moore.

If Wentz has to come in and play for any length of time, the season is probably ****ed anyway. If they can pawn him off and they have to re-sign Blaine Gabbert, then so be it.

It doesn't make sense for Jordan Love to risk injury until they give him more financial security. That said, I am curious to see how the contract turns out for him.

Teams don't honor contracts all the time. They cut players or do things to where a player misses out on some incentives.

Teams do it every year. They sit players to avoid said player from making their incentives.

When you look at contracts like burrow and herbert and mahomes, teams basically use the first year of the contract to absorb a huge cash bonus. It seems like most of these deals are dirt cheap the first 1-2 years then explode up. So a contract extension kind of accomplishes that anyway except that Jordan love has financial security and green bay doesn't risk losing him.

Green bay actually may take a bit of a discount because there's some uncertainty. If love has a halfway decent year his value will explode. Considering how hard it is to find qbs these days it's probably a risk worth taking because if they wait too long it could be very costly next off-season

It will be interesting to see how Love does now that he has "shown improvement." Personally, I wouldn't give any QB a new contract unless they put together two solid seasons and show big improvement. Otherwise, it'll be Daniel Jones all over again.

That being said, I do wonder if Jordan love is a product of how defenses adjusted to the chiefs last year. Defenses geared up for our dink and dunk. And the most successful qbs were the ones willing to just chuck shit up for WRs to get. Dak, stroud, love, etc.... Obviously we beat that because mahomes is mahomes (but oh by the way, we are prioritizing vertical threats again). But it makes me wonder if some of these qbs will see some regression. Jordan love throws off his backfoot way more often than I'd like. And we're not talking about mahomes off platform, we're talking about lots of instances of somehow sneaking in tight passes with less zip. And I don't know how much of that is luck or just having a knack for it.

They should pay him. He is one of the few QB's that look dangerous.

one good season, I wouldn't break the bank if I were the packers. Maybe something along the lines of a 3 year $100 mill deal

LMAO That's not happening.

Revenge for keeping him on the bench behind the old man.

Probably not, he probably thinks he deserves north of Pat Mahomes money which is ludicrous IMO. But that's where the NFL is at with QBs

More like 3 years/$150 million.

Honestly, I don’t think he’d take that (wanting a longer deal with more money locked in).

That would be an insulting deal considering what other QBs with less upside and talent are making.

Probs a close to top of market deal with less guaranteed money due to small performance sample size.

I'd rather be paying Love than a lot of these other QBs.

Sure, there's more risk, but more upside as well.

I mean. If there is no guaranteed money teams can cut them and not honor it?

Trevor Lawrence just got $55M per year including $200M guaranteed. So yeah, the market is crazy. Teams either pay the market rate or start over with a different guy.

Insulting? Think that's an overstatement.


Love lost 6 of his first 9 games last season. His overall regular season record since joining the NFL is an Eli Manning-esque 9-9-0. And some of those losses in 2023 were against the likes of an ATL team led by the hapless Desmond Ridder, LVR sporting one of the worst secondaries of this century, DEN:rolleyes:, and a QB-less PIT.


I wouldn't pay Love more than 3 years/$100 million for 8 good games out of 27, especially when considering his complete lack of production in his first 10 games prior to last season. Basically, if you pay him top-10 $$$ you're doing it solely because his TD/INT ratio is great, and his Passer Rating last season was 96.1.


The problem for GB is that they really should be trying to avoid shitting their pants the way DAL and WAS did with Dak and Cousins. Mostly they need to avoid the Dak scenario of way overpaying a QB for a partial good season and screwing their cap for the next 5 years.

I'm gonna guess $200M for 5 years, with $100M guaranteed at signing.

Tack on a 50 to each of those numbers. At least.

Probably right.

Trevor Lawrence just got 55 per and none of his 3 seasons starting compare to Jordan Love in 2023.

Yeah, it's a weird spot because he only did it for one year, but then again he was a first round pick. Burrow got 5 years, $275M so was kinda basing it on that, but I just noticed his guaranteed is $219M. Holy lord.

No offense, but some of y’all just don’t have a good grasp on the QB market lol

$30m a year, $40m a year for a 25-year old QB who just threw 32 TDs and delivered a playoff win is not going to happen.

Majikman was the tits for about fifteen minutes. Great name though -- I preferred it on him over Steve DeBerg.

Pack don't have a choice. He has no money past this year so Love holds all the cards.