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Jerm 06-17-2024 12:38 PM

Most overrated players in the NFL
 
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So I came across this tweet and while I know PFF is garbage...it got me thinking about this topic and about George Kittle. What in the **** do people see that makes them hold him in such high regard???

He's played 7 season...broke 1k 3 times with 2 of those seasons barely being over 1,000...one season over 10 TDs, 4 of those seasons with 5 or less TDs and 2 were 6 TD seasons.

Not to mention he's been a complete non factor in both Super Bowls he's been in.

He's not even in the same galaxy as Kelce...I really wish someone would tell me what I'm missing here. He has a bombastic personality and is a goofball and talks a lot? Wow ok.

Who would you all say is massively overrated in the league by fans, media, etc.?

Mecca 06-17-2024 12:40 PM

It's because somewhere a long the line we got a section of people who think a TE that can block and be a good receiver has more value than an elite receiving TE that isn't asked to block all that much.

It's usually older people who are married to what the TE was in 1984 and don't understand evolution of the game.

ToxSocks 06-17-2024 12:41 PM

George Kittle LOL **** YOU

Cheater5 06-17-2024 12:44 PM

Lamarr Jackson is the most over rated player in the NFL.

Why Not? 06-17-2024 12:44 PM

Most QBs not named Mahomes.

Sofa King 06-17-2024 12:45 PM

Jalen Ramsay.

I just don't see it. Dude gets burned all the time. He certainly doesn't deserve all the accolades he's gotten.

Wisconsin_Chief 06-17-2024 12:45 PM

Kittle is definitely one of the most overrated players in all of football. I would take 3 or 4 TEs over him without flinching. I can't remember a single play he's ever made in a game I watched that wowed me.

Comparing him to Kelce at this point is laughable. PFF picking him over Trav as the best in football does nothing but prove they're utterly clueless.

tredadda 06-17-2024 12:46 PM

Yeah I like Kittle and think he’s a great player, but not sure how he is ranked higher than Kelce who is still playing at a high level and could go down as the GOAT TE.

Mecca 06-17-2024 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief (Post 17554636)
Kittle is definitely one of the most overrated players in all of football. I would take 3 or 4 TEs over him without flinching. I can't remember a single play he's ever made in a game I watched that wowed me.

Comparing him to Kelce at this point is laughable. PFF picking him over Trav as the best in football does nothing but prove they're utterly clueless.

It's because they put all this value on his blocking. A good blocking TE isn't going to change the game.

Jerm 06-17-2024 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief (Post 17554636)
Kittle is definitely one of the most overrated players in all of football. I would take 3 or 4 TEs over him without flinching. I can't remember a single play he's ever made in a game I watched that wowed me.

Comparing him to Kelce at this point is laughable. PFF picking him over Trav as the best in football does nothing but prove they're utterly clueless.

I agree with everything you said...I thought that tweet was a good jumping off point for this topic and let me get the Kittle truth off my chest lol.

Wisconsin_Chief 06-17-2024 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17554640)
It's because they put all this value on his blocking. A good blocking TE isn't going to change the game.

Exactly, it's just so silly at this point to even try and claim that Kittle's blocking somehow makes him more valuable than Kelce. There isn't a TE in football history who has the impact on every single game and every single snap that Trav has. I know PFF is going by nothing but their grades and that's not something they can put into numbers, but they should just nut up and admit their little system can't measure a player like Kelce's value to his team and just put him at #1 where he belongs.

Couch-Potato 06-17-2024 12:58 PM

It's just a conversation starter...get's fans like you to create threads and talk about their content.

I just bid a project that would've leveraged AI to review all relevant online material for NCAA men's and women's basketball, scrub the commentary from the internet, mark it for sentiment scores and provide a daily report summarizing the metrics from yesterday's content.

This is an example of how these orgs determine the value of the content they put out and identify trends that would earn more engagement.

Wisconsin_Chief 06-17-2024 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 17554654)
It's just a conversation starter...get's fans like you to create threads and talk about their content.

I just bid a project that would've leveraged AI to review all relevant online material for NCAA men's and women's basketball, scrub the commentary from the internet, mark it for sentiment scores and provide a daily report summarizing the metrics from yesterday's content.

This is an example of how these orgs determine the value of the content they put out and identify trends that would earn more engagement.

You mean to tell me we're all just pawns in a giant media industrial complex?

How dare you, sir??? LMAO

Jerm 06-17-2024 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 17554654)
It's just a conversation starter...get's fans like you to create threads and talk about their content.

I just bid a project that would've leveraged AI to review all relevant online material for NCAA men's and women's basketball, scrub the commentary from the internet, mark it for sentiment scores and provide a daily report summarizing the metrics from yesterday's content.

This is an example of how these orgs determine the value of the content they put out and identify trends that would earn more engagement.

That's wild lol...like I totally understand this is the world we live in now but to see it laid out in front of you is still crazy.

siberian khatru 06-17-2024 01:41 PM

"OK, OK -- NEXT TIME I will be back here with a vengeance. Promise!"

Dunerdr 06-17-2024 01:44 PM

I think the bear is over rated. Ill take it over the men.

scho63 06-17-2024 01:47 PM

Dak Prescott

jjchieffan 06-17-2024 01:47 PM

That's funny. I had a 49ers fan trying to argue that the most overrated player in the NFL is Patrick Mahomes and that he only has his rings because of ref help. I will have to tell him that the most overrated player in the NFL is a 49er. Although, I don't agree. The most overrated is Lamar Jackson by a mile.

Megatron96 06-17-2024 01:49 PM

Meh. Looks like the typical offseason clickbait.

Kittle is a top-2 or -3 TE. I mean, you just have to watch his tape, and then ask yourself, "what other TEs could do what he does?" It's going to be a very short list. As for his production in the SB, it was pretty obvious that he was required to stay in and block a lot; that's more about Shanahan and his system than it is about Kittle.



As for who is the most overrated player, there's a lot of them. A lot of QBs, like Kyler, Jalen, Dak, Tua, the list goes on.

I'd probably go with either Kyler or Dak.

Womble 06-17-2024 01:50 PM

The most overrated player in the NFL is any player people rate who does not play for the Kansas City Chiefs.

Tribal Warfare 06-17-2024 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheater5 (Post 17554633)
Lamarr Jackson is the most over rated player in the NFL.

Josh Allen, no question

Mecca 06-17-2024 01:54 PM

Lamar Jackson has 2 MVPs, I can't really call him overrated at that point, he's been a playoff choker but that isn't the same.

MahomesMagic 06-17-2024 02:03 PM

Trevor Lawrence.

Hayneplane 06-17-2024 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17554731)
Lamar Jackson has 2 MVPs, I can't really call him overrated at that point, he's been a playoff choker but that isn't the same.

Him having 2 league MVPs is exactly why he is overrated. Good player but not the standout player in either year he won and the bigger the moment the smaller he plays.

Hayneplane 06-17-2024 02:09 PM

Too easy to just pick apart the flaws in almost every QB in the league not called Patrick Mahomes so I will throw Calvin Ridley into the mix.

I think Mark Andrews is good but maybe the form of Likely while he was out injured showed any mobile Tight End could thrive and put up good numbers in the Ravens offensive system as that is where Lamar Jackson is most comfortable throwing the ball.

ThrobProng 06-17-2024 02:40 PM

Lindstrom over Thuney? Please.

smithandrew051 06-17-2024 02:46 PM

Joe Burrow.

Injury prone. Never thrown 40 TDs in a season. Career high of 4600 yards.

Always had amazing weapons.

Has 1 great postseason win, thanks to his defense. He wasn’t even all that great against a defense that Josh Allen destroyed.

staylor26 06-17-2024 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Sofa King (Post 17554635)
Jalen Ramsay.

I just don't see it. Dude gets burned all the time. He certainly doesn't deserve all the accolades he's gotten.

Well yea he's a player on the decline living off his name.

ThrobProng 06-17-2024 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17554829)
Joe Burrow.

Injury prone. Never thrown 40 TDs in a season. Career high of 4600 yards.

Always had amazing weapons.

Has 1 great postseason win, thanks to his defense the Chiefs inexplicably going into zombie mode for the entire second half and STILL almost winning the game. He wasn’t even all that great against a defense that Josh Allen destroyed.

FYP

RunKC 06-17-2024 02:56 PM

Idk how anyone can support any answer here besides Lamar Jackson. He’s the most overrated player by a long shot to me.

He’s not a top 5 QB and was only ever worthy of being one in 2019.

It’s annoying seeing this guy get called the best QB in the league by some analysts when he’s only thrown 30 or more TD’s once, has never thrown for 4K yards and falls apart every time in the playoffs.

loochy 06-17-2024 02:56 PM

The entire San Diego LA Chargers team.

sedated 06-17-2024 02:58 PM

No way Lamar Jackson is more overrated than Dak Prescott. Both are chokers in the playoffs but one has been so good in 2 separate years that he won 2 MVPs (which should just be called the best QB in the regular season award). People just dislike him because he is a running QB.

Megatron96 06-17-2024 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17554847)
Idk how anyone can support any answer here besides Lamar Jackson. He’s the most overrated player by a long shot to me.

He’s not a top 5 QB and was only ever worthy of being one in 2019.

It’s annoying seeing this guy get called the best QB in the league by some analysts when he’s only thrown 30 or more TD’s once, has never thrown for 4K yards and falls apart every time in the playoffs.



"But you're not accounting for his running ability. He's an elite runner, so he must be an elite QB."

New World Order 06-17-2024 02:58 PM

Tight end? ROFL

staylor26 06-17-2024 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17554852)
"But you're not accounting for his running ability. He's an elite runner, so he must be an elite QB."

I was just going to say, oh boy, Virus will be here any minute now.

Rausch 06-17-2024 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato (Post 17554654)
It's just a conversation starter...get's fans like you to create threads and talk about their content.

I just bid a project that would've leveraged AI to review all relevant online material for NCAA men's and women's basketball, scrub the commentary from the internet, mark it for sentiment scores and provide a daily report summarizing the metrics from yesterday's content.

This is an example of how these orgs determine the value of the content they put out and identify trends that would earn more engagement.

What will have the most impact and engagement.

You know, exactly what people expect from journalists...

RunKC 06-17-2024 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief (Post 17554636)
Kittle is definitely one of the most overrated players in all of football. I would take 3 or 4 TEs over him without flinching. I can't remember a single play he's ever made in a game I watched that wowed me.

Comparing him to Kelce at this point is laughable. PFF picking him over Trav as the best in football does nothing but prove they're utterly clueless.

He’s not even the best TE in his conference. Sam LaPorta is incredible and is coming fast for Kelce as the TE top dawg.

Megatron96 06-17-2024 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by sedated (Post 17554851)
No way Lamar Jackson is more overrated than Dak Prescott. Both are chokers in the playoffs but one has been so good in 2 separate years that he won 2 MVPs (which should just be called the best QB in the regular season award). People just dislike him because he is a running QB.



That Carton guy said last week that Dak was statistically as good as Pat over the last 2-3 years. That if Dak had been luckier in the playoffs he'd be considered as good as Mahomes or some such BS.

loochy 06-17-2024 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sedated (Post 17554851)
No way Lamar Jackson is more overrated than Dak Prescott. Both are chokers in the playoffs but one has been so good in 2 separate years that he won 2 MVPs (which should just be called the best QB in the regular season award). People just dislike him because he is a running QB.


I agree with this fully. Lamar is a game changer and requires a specific game plan to stop. Dak is a guy.

RealSNR 06-17-2024 03:18 PM

What drives me nuts about the Kittle shit is when morons get going about the blocking, they completely ignore what Kelce is as a blocker himself.

Kelce is fantastic as a blocker (whenever that occurs). He's not going to pancake anybody, but he's effective and gets the job done when he needs to. These Kittle nuthuggers seem to think he's a total finesse player who shouldn't even be classified as a TE. Just because a majority of his blocks occur as extensions of a route they seem to think that's a huge red mark against him. Okay, you want your TE smashing into dudes directly off the snap? Get a 6th OL. They're even better at that job than ****ing Kittle!

BWillie 06-17-2024 03:20 PM

I would say Creed Humphrey is up there. Maybe it isn't his fault and it's the scheme but we are God awful on short yardage and can never plow forward.

RealSNR 06-17-2024 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17554884)
That Carton guy said last week that Dak was statistically as good as Pat over the last 2-3 years. That if Dak had been luckier in the playoffs he'd be considered as good as Mahomes or some such BS.

Skip's new show without Shannon tanked in ratings this past year. FS1 needs a new village idiot to make people mad.

rydogg58 06-17-2024 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 17554640)
It's because they put all this value on his blocking. A good blocking TE isn't going to change the game.

Well it certainly hasn't won them any Super Bowls in recent history.

PFF is such a garbage clickbait site.

jdubya 06-17-2024 04:20 PM

I wonder what their numbers would look like if Kittle was drafted by the Chiefs instead of the Niners and if Kelce was drafted by the Niners?

(Barkeep.....another beer please)

dlphg9 06-17-2024 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Sofa King (Post 17554635)
Jalen Ramsay.

I just don't see it. Dude gets burned all the time. He certainly doesn't deserve all the accolades he's gotten.

This 100% . I was coming to say him. The dude has lived off his first couple of seasons and is nowhere close to being as good as people.wanna act like he is.

MarkDavis'Haircut 06-17-2024 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 17554902)
What drives me nuts about the Kittle shit is when morons get going about the blocking, they completely ignore what Kelce is as a blocker himself.

Kelce is fantastic as a blocker (whenever that occurs). He's not going to pancake anybody, but he's effective and gets the job done when he needs to. These Kittle nuthuggers seem to think he's a total finesse player who shouldn't even be classified as a TE. Just because a majority of his blocks occur as extensions of a route they seem to think that's a huge red mark against him. Okay, you want your TE smashing into dudes directly off the snap? Get a 6th OL. They're even better at that job than ****ing Kittle!

I suppose the general sentiment thinks Kittle's blocking is more crucial to the Niners offense than Kelce's blocking with the Chiefs.

Fish 06-17-2024 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17554884)
That Carton guy said last week that Dak was statistically as good as Pat over the last 2-3 years. That if Dak had been luckier in the playoffs he'd be considered as good as Mahomes or some such BS.

The regular season stats really weren't that different to be honest.

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BUT..... there's a reason they didn't include postseason stats or playoff wins or superbowls... Mahomes is 10 times the QB Dak could ever be when it matters.

ThaVirus 06-17-2024 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 17554852)
"But you're not accounting for his running ability. He's an elite runner, so he must be an elite QB."

I never said this.

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Originally Posted by staylor26 (Post 17554867)
I was just going to say, oh boy, Virus will be here any minute now.

Dude was referring to his passing statistics in his rookie year after admitting he was drafted #32 overall as a project, conveniently leaving out his roughly 100 rushing yards and .8 TDs per game.

ThaVirus 06-17-2024 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish (Post 17554957)
The regular season stats really weren't that different to be honest.

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BUT..... there's a reason they didn't include postseason stats or playoff wins or superbowls... Mahomes is 10 times the QB Dak could ever be when it matters.

You beat me to it.

Statistically speaking, Dak was far better than Mahomes in 2021 and 2023 while Mahomes was far better in 2022.

Personally I wouldn’t broach the postseason subject because Dak has had plenty of chances to deliver but it’s not that weird a thing to say.

Cheater5 06-17-2024 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by sedated (Post 17554851)
No way Lamar Jackson is more overrated than Dak Prescott. Both are chokers in the playoffs but one has been so good in 2 separate years that he won 2 MVPs (which should just be called the best QB in the regular season award). People just dislike him because he is a running QB.



MVP is a popularity contest. Nice consolation prize for sure but largely insignificant compared to Championships.



Without looking, tell me who won League MVP in 2014, 2004, and 1994.. I know I can't. But I sure as shit remember who won the Super Bowl those years and who was QB.

Couch-Potato 06-17-2024 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerm (Post 17554702)
That's wild lol...like I totally understand this is the world we live in now but to see it laid out in front of you is still crazy.

Now imagine you work at a big Corp company, and you decide to post something about them online. Trust me that your HR dept knows about it the next day and has a pretty good idea about who posted it. They can also scrub anything you've ever posted publicly online. Creepy!

IowaHawkeyeChief 06-17-2024 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Wisconsin_Chief (Post 17554636)
Kittle is definitely one of the most overrated players in all of football. I would take 3 or 4 TEs over him without flinching. I can't remember a single play he's ever made in a game I watched that wowed me.

Comparing him to Kelce at this point is laughable. PFF picking him over Trav as the best in football does nothing but prove they're utterly clueless.

BuT KiTtLe Is A GoOd BlOcKeR!

RealSNR 06-17-2024 05:45 PM

Ball at your own 25 down 3 with 13 seconds left. Do you want the amazeballs blocker?

Or do you want the TE with a QB's mind who knows exactly how to adjust his route on the play based on his QB simply shouting, "Do it, Kels!"

Yeah. Get ****ed, George.

ThaVirus 06-17-2024 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cheater5 (Post 17554990)
Without looking, tell me who won League MVP in 2014, 2004, and 1994.. I know I can't. But I sure as shit remember who won the Super Bowl those years and who was QB.

2014 I’m going to say Rodgers. IIRC, that was the year a lot of people felt JJ Watt got snubbed. He had like 20+ sacks and even added 4 or 5 receiving TDs.

2004 had to be Peyton Manning. I know from memory that was the year he went off for like 49 TDs and 10 INTs. Statistically speaking may still be the most efficient QB season of all time.

1994 I will guess Steve Young. He was a dawg that year.

For SB winners, I’m pretty sure it would be Pats with Brady, Pats with Brady and 49ers with Young.

Bearcat 06-17-2024 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by sedated (Post 17554851)
No way Lamar Jackson is more overrated than Dak Prescott. Both are chokers in the playoffs but one has been so good in 2 separate years that he won 2 MVPs (which should just be called the best QB in the regular season award). People just dislike him because he is a running QB.

Last season, Prescott had more total yards last year, more touchdowns, only a couple more picks, a better completion percentage.

He also accounts for more yards per game than Jackson over the course of his career, and more touchdowns per game, and roughly the same turnovers per game (.94 for Jackson, 1 for Prescott).

And I'm obviously not saying Prescott is good, but in the "most overrated" discussion, he's not the one winning MVPs.

Megatron96 06-17-2024 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fish (Post 17554957)
The regular season stats really weren't that different to be honest.

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BUT..... there's a reason they didn't include postseason stats or playoff wins or superbowls... Mahomes is 10 times the QB Dak could ever be when it matters.



I'm pretty sure Carton had that graphic up when he said Dak=Mahomes.



Which is exactly why stats can't be the only set of parameters when judging players. It's pretty much exactly like the idjits that point at Frank Gore's stats (total yards/yds per carry) and somehow decide that Frank=Barry Sanders. I mean, come the hell on. That's just stupid.


Dak put up some decent stats. But no one can watch the tape and say that Dak=Mahomes in any way.

mr. tegu 06-17-2024 06:55 PM

Joe Burrow. Hasn’t remotely earned his moniker and throws more jump balls than Deshaun Watson.

Gary Cooper 06-17-2024 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 17554847)
Idk how anyone can support any answer here besides Lamar Jackson. He’s the most overrated player by a long shot to me.

He’s not a top 5 QB and was only ever worthy of being one in 2019.

It’s annoying seeing this guy get called the best QB in the league by some analysts when he’s only thrown 30 or more TD’s once, has never thrown for 4K yards and falls apart every time in the playoffs.

The analysts are told to talk Lamar up.

mr. tegu 06-17-2024 07:01 PM

Most overrated players in the NFL
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Fish (Post 17554957)
The regular season stats really weren't that different to be honest.

oh? pic.twitter.com/PD4ALptSZj— NFL on CBS [emoji458] (@NFLonCBS) June 12, 2024

BUT..... there's a reason they didn't include postseason stats or playoff wins or superbowls... Mahomes is 10 times the QB Dak could ever be when it matters.


Anyone that has spent any amount of time watching the Cowboys knows that he gets a TON of stats when his team is getting blown out.

Also, does anyone really overrate him? I don’t see people saying he is a top 5 QB or anything. Seems like most people usually put him right in that 10-15 range which is pretty accurate.

Megatron96 06-17-2024 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 17555094)
Anyone that has spent any amount of time watching the Cowboys knows that he gets a TON of stats when his team is getting blown out.

Also, does anyone really overrate him? I don’t see people saying he is a top 5 QB or anything. Seems like most people usually put him right in that 10-15 range which is pretty accurate.



PFN and NFL.com both had Dak ranked 6th before last season started. MSN Sports had Dak ranked 2nd in Jan. right before the start of the playoffs. Mahomes was ranked 7th in that one.


And I have no doubt that certain football media types will declare that Dak is a top-5 QB before the start of the first preseason game, lol.

TLO 06-17-2024 07:24 PM

We'll see what he does this year but I feel like Justin Herbert should be mentioned

CapsLockKey 06-17-2024 07:24 PM

Odell Beckham. He's not a bad player by any means but ever since he made that one handed catch that got him the Madden cover he has always been talked about as if he's the modern day Randy Moss. Dude hasn't been anything but a complimentary role player since leaving the Giants yet he he still gets headlines every off-season.

BWillie 06-17-2024 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 17555088)
Joe Burrow. Hasn’t remotely earned his moniker and throws more jump balls than Deshaun Watson.

Good point. Do you know who also threw alot of jump balls? Wilson in Seattle. It sure looks pretty but throwing the deep lob ball is such an overrated skill.

BWillie 06-17-2024 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Gary Cooper (Post 17555090)
The analysts are told to talk Lamar up.

Lost alot of respect for Jackson this year. Didn't show up for OTAs despite fighting for that contract. Says he wants to be the best and compete with Mahomes but actions mean more than words.

It's one thing for a positional player to not show up, it's a whole another thing for the star QB not to.

tredadda 06-17-2024 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus (Post 17554964)
You beat me to it.

Statistically speaking, Dak was far better than Mahomes in 2021 and 2023 while Mahomes was far better in 2022.

Personally I wouldn’t broach the postseason subject because Dak has had plenty of chances to deliver but it’s not that weird a thing to say.

Mahomes’ playoff floor is better than Dak’s playoff ceiling.

KC_Connection 06-17-2024 08:05 PM

Lamar Jackson is easily the most overrated player in the league considering what he turns into in the playoffs.

Burrow follows shortly after considering where some tried to place him on the QB list a year or two ago.

KC_Connection 06-17-2024 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by sedated (Post 17554851)
No way Lamar Jackson is more overrated than Dak Prescott. Both are chokers in the playoffs but one has been so good in 2 separate years that he won 2 MVPs (which should just be called the best QB in the regular season award). People just dislike him because he is a running QB.

I don't think anybody actually thinks Dak is that good.

ThaVirus 06-17-2024 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by TLO (Post 17555117)
We'll see what he does this year but I feel like Justin Herbert should be mentioned

He was getting a lot of attention up until the 2022 regular season. After underwhelming the last two seasons, it seems he’s fallen out of the public’s favor.

For now he’s all potential.

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 17555151)
I don't think anybody actually thinks Dak is that good.

I think he’s really good but nowhere near elite.

smithandrew051 06-17-2024 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 17555148)
Lamar Jackson is easily the most overrated player in the league considering what he turns into in the playoffs.

Burrow follows shortly after considering where some tried to place him on the QB list a year or two ago.

Talking heads have a bizarre infatuation with Lamar, but I don’t think that many real people are enamored with him anymore. I see “not bad for a running back” jokes all over the internet.

I went Burrow, because people act like he owns Mahomes in some meaningful way. I don’t see anyone criticizing Burrow and his slightly above average numbers despite an insane amount of talent around him.

notorious 06-17-2024 08:26 PM

Sounds to me like Kittle is very underpaid.

Come on San Fran, new contract time!!!

PunkinDrublic 06-17-2024 08:28 PM

Lamar and it’s not even close. People have gone as far as saying he’s revolutionizing the QB position, even though he’s a carbon copy of Michael Vick. He has an army of pundits on ESPN and NFL network that will meet any legitimate criticisms of him with ridiculous accusations of racism.

notorious 06-17-2024 08:30 PM

Dak also plays in the dogshit NFC, while Mahomes is playing against a #1 schedule every year.

PunkinDrublic 06-17-2024 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 17555181)
Dak also plays in the dogshit NFC, while Mahomes is playing against a #1 schedule every year.

I don’t get how Dak is overrated. At least here in Dallas he’s not very well thought of. His stats last year were greatly due to playing a Charmin soft schedule. Those stats are greatly padded in blowout wins against the Giants. At one point I think the Cowgirls played games against the Giants, Carolina and the Jets.

comochiefsfan 06-17-2024 09:30 PM

Joe Burrow has been MASSIVELY overrated due to one game where he did essentially nothing and let Patrick Mahomes puke all over himself.

Thanks to that meltdown, Burrow is now seen as the Chiefs kryptonite.

He will never scare me as much as Allen. Allen is the only guy in the league who can go blow to blow with Mahomes when Pat is playing his A game.

Burrow needs Mahomes to play sub par to beat him.

smithandrew051 06-17-2024 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by comochiefsfan (Post 17555238)
Joe Burrow has been MASSIVELY overrated due to one game where he did essentially nothing and let Patrick Mahomes puke all over himself.

Thanks to that meltdown, Burrow is now seen as the Chiefs kryptonite.

He will never scare me as much as Allen. Allen is the only guy in the league who can go blow to blow with Mahomes when Pat is playing his A game.

Burrow needs Mahomes to play sub par to beat him.

Joe Burrow and Patrick Mahomes have lost 22 games each as starters.

Burrow has started 52 games. Mahomes has started 96.

Burrow is a winner though.

RealSNR 06-17-2024 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17555246)
Joe Burrow and Patrick Mahomes have lost 22 games each as starters.

Burrow has started 52 games. Mahomes has started 96.

Burrow is a winner though.


Close to double the losing percentage as Patrick Mahomes? God, that’s so cool! He’s such a cool player! Very cool!!! Coolest player in the NFL!

smithandrew051 06-17-2024 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR (Post 17555253)
Close to double the losing percentage as Patrick Mahomes? God, that’s so cool! He’s such a cool player! Very cool!!! Coolest player in the NFL!

He never flinches. Even when taking his 7th sack of the game.

Joe Cool.

Rainbarrel 06-18-2024 12:13 AM

There's not enough real stand out stars but a bunch of drugs you should ask your doctor to prescribe. The American economy is a drug pusher with singing and choreographed moves. Lamar is a placebo that dances. Now with weight loss!

loochy 06-18-2024 06:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Rainbarrel (Post 17555292)
There's not enough real stand out stars but a bunch of drugs you should ask your doctor to prescribe. The American economy is a drug pusher with singing and choreographed moves. Lamar is a placebo that dances. Now with weight loss!

Wut

Sofa King 06-18-2024 07:05 AM

Oh man. Justin Herbert. Yeah, I should have thought of him RIGHT AWAY.

At least that's finally cooled off some but yeah, way way overrated.


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