If the Chiefs traded into top 10 who would you want them to draft?
 

I’m all in on the beast LT Joe Alt. His dad was a beast for chiefs as well!

Who would you get? Kelce replacement Bowers would be great as well. The 2 TE set would make defenses lose sleep.

Would you try to replace Jones or Sneed?

Or give mahomes a dream WR?

But protecting our best player Mahomes should be a requirement, and we need better replacements at LT and RT.

Am I the only one that doesn't see where Brock Bowers fits in the NFL?

Taking a TE in the top 10 automatically makes him one of the highest paid players at his position in the league. I wouldn't be interested in that.

If I was trading to the top 10? It's for Alt. I'm not really sure it's even a question or a close call.

Who's available? Because it Nabers is there at 8 and we can give two firsts to get up there, I'm doing that.

I think Nabers is going to be a stud.

I mean I've not seen him mocked outside of the top 20 so....yes?

I thought the same thing as well. And we need a LT to protect mahomes, and would be a cap savings for that draft position vs TE for top 10.

Although…chiefs did trade up to 13th to draft Tony Gonzalez and that worked out well.

I’ve learned from you non spenders but

Is any wr gonna be worth 2 1s Vs the guy you can just sit and take at your spot?

I’ve gone and watched highlights and the dude just looks like he’s too slow for a WR and not really big enough to be a TE. I’m sure I’m wrong but I just don’t see it.

I think so.

I think Nabers really should be viewed more as a 1b to Harrison's 1a. And if that's the case and he's more Ja'Marr Chase than Tee Higgins, he's worth the two 1st rounders.

He'd be a force multiplier at that point. A guy who makes both Rice and Kelce better by virtue of his mere presence in the offense.

Now you have to believe that's who he'd be - a guy who becomes one of the best 10 receivers in the NFL. But I think he very well could be that guy. If you think he can be CeeDee Lamb then he's worth it vs lets say Franklin becomes DeVonta Smith.

Would I give DeVonta Smith and a future 1st for Lamb? Of course. Without hesitation.

He's not going to be a true TE that gets down on the line and goes in line blocking etc but in todays game he has value because he's bigger than DBs and faster than LBs.

Oh no question that he's not a WR.

And I think he's right at the fringe on size for TE. But as a move TE (which is what he'd be) then I think he's going to be a pretty dangerous player.

If you look at him as a better version of Kincaid, I don't think you're far off at all. And all that kept Kincaid from putting up like 90 catches for 900 yards was opportunity.

Very curious to see his combine results.

He's listed as 6'4 240, so just 1 inch & 10 pounds smaller than Kelce... but he looks smaller than that.

See....I just don't think I would with having Pat at QB. Elsewhere probably yes, but here? I'd take DeVonta Smith and let the Qb make up that little bit extra that separates them. It's so dependent on the QB to get value out of said guy....I just tend to be shying away from those high end #1 WR's. Ceedee is awesome, but he's also force fed the ball by Dak. Similar to Bowe with Cassel here.

On an legit open offense, is taht possible?

Not that we will do it, but what would the comp be?

Moving up 22 spots would be costly. Would we package a tag & trade Sneed + 32 + a 2025 1st or 2nd?

Someone is gonna take Bowers hoping he can have a Kelce-like impact on the passing game, but he's not nearly as big so matching up safeties and big corners on him isn't going to be a major issue.

Nabers or Alt if we are talking realistic targets.

Harrison jr, Nabers, and Odunze?

I still would pick LT and Alt

At 6'4" and 240, he's still going to be bigger than almost any safety/CB on him.

"He's not nearly as big" isn't entirely accurate. He's a little smaller than Kelce, but not a ton. And it took Kelce some time in the league to develop the grown man strength he has now.

As a baseline, there's nothing wrong with Bowers, IMO. He'll be a very good player.

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He's that big? Dang. For some reason looking at him I woulda thought like 6'3" 230 at best.

Not sure if he’ll be the next Kelce or not, but…

https://youtu.be/4Sb9zIFgHSg?si=aUNa5Ikowt1BmNRT

He looked tiny next to Gronk (after retirement). Not sure that 6'4" 240 is legit.

I do agree with Dante - we need to get some legit height/weight measurements from him.

The combine may make a big difference for him. If he comes out at 6'2" and 225, he may fall like a rock even if he runs well.

Like I said, he looks on the fringes of big enough to me. And if my eyes have lied to me, that could make a big difference. But he was always awfully physical at UGA and it's not like the SEC is full of cripples and midgets out there. He never looked undersized on the field.

So I think he ends up measuring fine.

Well Gronk is just over 6'6" and 265 lbs. I'd assume Brock Bowers best comp is Dalton Kincaid who was smaller.

Sam LaPorta is 6'3" 245 lbs so a smaller TE doesn't necessarily mean a TE won't work out

Dude didn’t even look like a football player. He looked like a bigger Hunter Renfrow.

No Marvin Harrison Jr fans here, eh?

He'll be gone by pick 5 I think. I cant imagine the price for that move.

I think most are just assuming we're picking outside of the top 5 in this scenario.

I think it would have to Joe Alt. Maybe Fashanu if they fell in love with him, and maybe he's there at 10.

My board would look like this:

1. Marvin Harrison Jr.
2. Malik Nabers
3. Joe Alt
4. Rome Odunze

Wow interesting. I was thinking LT over WR. I highly respect your opinion, draft and football takes etc. Is there other LT’s you would take over WR?

Most mocks I see have Harrison Jr going #4 to Cards

I might put Fashanu between Alt and Odunze. In fact, on this team, I think he's as good a pick as Alt would be. He's going to be a stud pass blocker. I think the big difference between the two is that Alt is going to be a better run blocker and may have a slightly higher floor as a pass blocker. But even at that, I don't think he's as athletic as Fashanu. Fashanu is as likely as not to be a better pass-blocker for our deeper sets and Andy's desire to leave guys alone on the edge even against speed rushers.

1. Harrison
2. Nabers
3. Alt
4. Fashanu
5. Odunze

That'd be my top 5.

Alt or Fashanu would be an ideal fit in Andy's offense. Man, I want one of those, but we keep winning superbowls.

My 5th would be Fashanu, who's a LT.

Nabers.

I haven’t read any of the thread yet so I may be swayed when I get caught up.. but it would have to be LT. You can wr and pass catchers elsewhere. Top flight left tackles grow at the top.

When I watch those two, I come away thinking Nabers is 1a to MHJ's 1b. I know that's not a popular opinion with "experts", it's just what I see.

Nabers with Mahomes wouldn't be fair to the rest of the league. Goodell would probably veto it if we somehow got into position to get him.

Don't see the point in trading up to anywhere above 7 in the top 10 because we need WRs and it's very likely that the 3 best ones are gone by then. The mock drafts at the moment are suggesting that the 4th WR is going to go at around the early to mid 20 mark so if we were going to trade up it should be for a place somewhere around there.

I was wondering where you guys rank or what you think of Latham from Alabama? Is he a RT in NFL?

Also Mims from Georgia, and Guyton from Oklahoma?

If we're talking number 10 the only 2 guys I could maybe see there are Fashanu and Odunze, Alt, Bowers and Nabers are all gone imo. Of those I'd take Fashanu. I think Odunze is a better prospect but getting a pass pro specialist at LT for peanuts is too good to pass up.

I'd probably rank all three of those guys in that order - Latham, Mims, Guyton.

I would maybe trade into the early 20s for Mims or Latham and probably just hope Guyton slides. But at the cost of an extra 3rd round pick, I just don't know.

We have so little draft capital this year.

I mean I'd FAR prefer give up 2 firsts and a little more to move up to 8/9 and get Fashanu than try to move up to say 18 and get Mims without giving up an extra 1. So I guess that says something about how I view Mims ability to transition and Latham's ability to translate.

Because really if you view (especially) Mims in a vacuum, he has tools that are on par with Alt and Fashanu. I should be more than happy to try to get up to 20(ish) to grab him if he fel that far. But there are so many unknowns around him.

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Is this someone we should care about or are we just hitting that over think it part of draft season?

The only reasonable way KC is getting into the top 10 would likely be to sell out to the Chicago Bears for #9 because I can't see the Jets wanting to move out of 10 if there's a LT on the board and that would likely be the only position we'd go up there for.

That's probably 1-32, 2-64, 4-133, and a 2025 1st at minimum. If you're lucky enough to tag Sneed and make him part of the deal, maybe you can send both 1s and Sneed. No matter what, that's incredibly expensive. If I'm doing all of that, then it's for an LT.

I think we'd take whoever is remaining between Alt and Fashanu if either were even there at 9. And honestly, I don't really have much of a preference between the two, I'd be ecstatic with either.

I absolutely would not go up there for any other position this year.

Hell yeah.

I want unfair.


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It’s obviously unrealistic but I don’t see going that high for anything but a tackle.

If Nabers was still on the board at 9 I am calling people.

No ****ing way is it worth giving up that much capital for a rookie WR.

If I'm giving all that up, I'd just offer it to Minnesota for Jefferson and pay the guy too. At least I know I'm getting a superstar.

Two problems with this.

1.Jefferson not available

2. Jefferson would require a max contract. Move up for Nabers and we would have a #1 WR on a cost controlled contract for several years.

That's valuable.

He might be available for the right price and two 1sts and a 2nd is awful tempting for a team that's going to need to rebuild. Especially given they might be able to use that ammo this year to go up to #2 for a QB if they want.

There's also no guarantee Nabers is going to be great and certainly might not be worth the cost of acquisition in comparison to just getting someone like Franklin.

It's just not a worthwhile investment in capital. WR is not a pillar position. I just can't support going balls-deep on it unless I know I'm getting a generational talent. QB, Pass Rusher, Left Tackle... That's about it for me.

Well, we have the QB.

With Spags I don't think we need a franchise pass-rusher to remain near the top ten either if we kept Sneed/McDuffie.

Left Tackle isn't as valuable to me in the current NFL because of the QB we have.

Maybe if we had a statue pocket passer but Mahomes is a modern QB.

So WR would be something I would want because the current Chiefs SB Championships all had a 1 or 2 HOF pass-catchers.

Veach traded one and the other is almost aged out.

So moving forward if Nabers projects as a elite #1 I go get him at 9.

I don't do the move to top 5 as that is another level of expense and I would be out at a certain point.

This is real life. Not madden.

The reality is that Veach started with 2 HOF weapons already on the roster for Mahomes and he traded one away to build the defense and the other is almost aged out.

We need an elite weapon post Kelce.

Why wait til he's done when an opportunity presents itself?

That said, I doubt Nabers is around at 9 anyway.

He had two top 5 tackles at their respective sides too. The difference in wideouts at 10 vs 32 every year is marginal. The difference in tackles is massive. Anyway we aren’t going up that for or even within spitting distance. So it’s all for nothing.

We don't have a statue QB so elite LT is a luxury.


We have never won a SB without an elite weapon and our last one is almost gone.

Whole thread's a bit pointless.

It's fun to think about how awesome it would be to have a top 10 pick. But you don't get given those unless you suck, that's kind of how the draft works.

A move up to the top 10 is almost certainly bad business. What they would have to give up to get a top 10 pick would make it not worth it, even if that top 10 pick yields an elite player (which isn't guaranteed).

The Chief's don't need to go all in one elite player to win. They haven't made a top 10 pick since Mahomes in 2017, and are 3 Superbowls deep while still having a good roster.

It would be great if the Chiefs could get a #1 WR. But they can be an elite offense in 2024 without one, AND this draft has "#1 WR goes in the 2nd round" written all over it anyway.

Agreed. If we look back at bad moments for Mahomes, it’s been games like the raiders game where he gets pressure and doesn’t feel comfortable. I remember conversations of people saying Mahomes was seeing ghosts. I think the opposite is true if we had a franchise LT. I think Mahomes could get even better. That’s really more important than a WR. I’d love for us to trade two 1sts and sneed for a LT that could protect Mahomes for the next decade.

Hands down its Alt.

John Alt the "Monumental Minnesotan" anchored Kansas City's offensive line for 13 seasons from his left tackle post. The stoic standard-bearer by which all future Kansas City left tackles will be judged. Played a prodigious part in the resurgence of the Chiefs franchise in the '90s.

Jim Tyrer (180) was the only offensive lineman in team history to play in more games than Alt (179). Started 149 of those games and owns a share of a franchise record by making 10 career playoff appearances, including the '93 AFC Championship Game. Earned back-to-back Pro Bowl trips following the '92 and '93 seasons. An All-Pro pick in '90-91.

A prolific pass protector, also helped Kansas City perennially produce some of the best rushing numbers in the '90s. The Chiefs led the NFL in rushing for the first time in team history in '95 and produced five top 10 finishes during his tenure. Wore jersey number 76. He was drafted by the Chiefs in the first round of the 1984 NFL Draft with the 21st overall pick. Was the third offensive lineman selected overall. Born May 30, 1962 in Stuttgart, Germany.

Is there anyone who would give up Sneed or Jones for top 10 pick?

*Reminder the chiefs gave up their best wr ever to invest in their defense and won back to back SB’s

If we moved into the top 10, my board would look like this:

1. Harrison Jr.
2. Malik Nabers
3. Joe Alt
4. Rome Odunze
5. Olumuyiwa Fashanu

I would put Keon Coleman and Brian Thomas Jr. in a tier just below that.

But, if we stay at 32, and Troy Franklin is there, and none of those other guys fall to us, and we DON'T take him, I will have a ****ing meltdown.

PFF on youtube wondering if Colts at #15 are an option for Sneed, the trade would involve some sort of later round swap in the colts favor in their opinion.

They tagged Michael pitman jr also which would be a great trade swap

I would take Pittman in a heart beat.


Pittman
Rice
Kelce

Then sign a few guys like

Slayton
N Brown
Duivernay

and hand us the trophy, 3peat!!

Nah.

I'd rather have a pick in the early/mid 2nd and just draft a guy than swap Sneed for Pittman and pay him.

I don't think Pittman's worth the tag figure. I definitely don't think he's worth the tag figure as a baseline to a long-term deal. Moreover, I don't think he provides any sort of complement to Rice at all.

Pittman going to get 22 million plus. He’s not that great nor is Terry McLaurin according to you but you spent all of last year talking up the quality of the KC WR corps.

I guess if you want to run it back with cosmetic improvements to MVS and Skyy you could do that pretty cheaply in FA and do a third year in a row of bandaids to try to keep the offense from sinking further.

But I don’t like not having a plan post Kelce. If you actually do have an idea here if you’re not going to pay anyone or move up what’s your plan for Kelce aging out?

LSU does pump out some stud WRs that's for sure.

Y'know what?

Nevermind.

Go **** yourself instead. I'm just done with you. I have tried to just engage you in arms length discussion a myriad of times and your stupid ****ing self is simply unable to actually pay attention to anything anyone says. Then you feel some desperate need to talk out your ass in completely unrelated conversations.

So yeah - I'm just done engaging you in any way.

If the rest of this board has a lick of sense, they'll follow suit. You're just too goddamn stupid to converse with and every single time you're involved in a thread you bring the level of discourse down.

My plea to the rest of CP - stop talking with this ****ing idiot.

Stupid is spending a year building your Old Man Word Salads about how Mahomes was holding back Skyy Moore, MVS, Mecole, and Justin Watson.


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And if Brian Thomas Jr. is there close to 20, I would move up for him.

6'3 TE's don't impress me much. And he's a light build 6'3 TE.

Sam LaPorta is a light build 6'3" TE. Bowers is going to be fine.

LaPorta:
HEIGHT
6’ 3’’
WEIGHT
245 lbs
ARM
32 1/8’’
HAND
10 1/4’’

Bowers:
HEIGHT
6’ 3’’
WEIGHT
243 lbs
ARM
32 3/4’’
HAND
9 3/4’’

Top 10 pick? Malik Nabers or Brock Bowers or Jared Verse. Moving on.

Joe Alt.. Generational symmetry.

Adonai Mitchell.

That don't impress MoChief much (han han, uh-uh)
So you got the brains, but have you got the touch?
Now, don't get me wrong, yeah, he thinks you're alright
But that won't keep MoChiefs warm in the middle of the night
That don't impress Mo much
(Han han, uh-uh) uh-huh, yeah, yeah
(Han han, uh-uh)

If we're moving Sneed it's bc we can't make the contract work so I don't think Pittman fits bc he'd be just as expensive.

But say we could move Sneed + 5th for #15 + 6th I'd happily take Thomas Jr @ #15.

I wonder if chiefs are exploring moving up to get their all star LT?

If chiefs could get alt at 8-10 that would be the pick I would take. I’m assuming he’s gone. don’t think others are that worth the trade up, even in the 15-25 range.