2024 Draft - trade multiple picks to Cardinals to get Marvin Harrison Jr.
 

All I hear and see makes Marvin Harrison Jr a no-miss draft pick.

Like all picks, there are no guarantees.

If you're Veach, do you trade multiple picks, maybe 3 high rounders to the Cards for the #2 pick in the draft. They need MANY players to rebuild, not one superstar.

Good idea, bad idea or interesting idea? :hmmm:

What makes you think they don’t want to pick him to help Murray?

Worse than a Balto trade proposal

Check out draft pick value charts. Our picks aren’t near valuable enough.

Maybe toss in some players?

Would have to give up multiple years worth of firsts. Probably not worth it. Would love for some miracle to occur to allow us to get Kelce Jr. out of UGA but that ain't happening either.

There's no way they would trade down that far and pass up on what appears to be a real generational talent at WR. They already are invested in Murray so they probably want Harrison JR and I wouldn't be surprised if he's picked #1 overall.

You'd probably have to give up damn near your entire draft and the next 2 years 1st round picks or something ridiculous and that isn't going to happen.

They may want that exactly. Just knowing they have gaps everywhere they need many picks.

The only players that would bring value to make up the difference are young, cheap players who are really good.

You don’t want to give up those guys.

It would be at least 3 1's, 2 2's, and more than that.

It would be insanely stupid.

But we lost yesterday so make the trade NOW!

Have you considered that we have not only heard of this player, but we’ve also heard of his dad?

You know who else’s dad was a pro athlete? Patrick Mahomes.

Need I say more?

Better to make a blockbuster trade for a veteran WR.

Why not just sign Mike Evans to a contract?

It would take that or what the Vikings gave up to get Herschel Walker type of a deal. Problem is, neither of those teams (Vikings/Saints) won championships due to those deals so they are remembered in a negative light, even though Ricky was a good player. Can't remember if Walker was worth a shit for the Vikings or not.

If you knew you were getting a Justin Jefferson or Jerry Rice level of player, it is far from insanely stupid.

The price may be far too high but certainly worth thinking about.

Kelce has little time left and we have NOTHING after him, not a thing.

Thank God Veach and Reid are in charge and not the natives...

Veach has done some great things but lets be real as he and Andy ****ed up WR.

All the "natives" here said our WRs suck.

Even though he’s a tremendous prospect, you don’t know what you’re getting.

If he busts, Veach would have ****ed the franchise. Worth it for a QB, but not for anything else.

Address WR in volume. Ideally, one big FA, one moderate FA, one early pick, one late pick. One or two are bound to hit.

THAT SAID -

I do feel that the front office felt like Mahomes could make average players good (and save some cap for other areas *coughHopkinscough*), and well, even Mahomes can't work miracles at a 100% clip.

Yeah I do think it is an interesting idea, to answer directly. I probably wouldn't do it but if the Cardinals called, you would have to at least have the discussion. Love Veach but to this point, he can't draft WR (jury out but pointing to promising on Rice, to be fair). If you had the opportunity to get the next "generational" WR, it would be at least intoxicating to consider.

No that's just crazy. Do move up as far as Veach sees fit to get a grade A WR though. This team does not need another Hill, Chase or Jefferson - they just need WRs that can catch the damn ball!:thumb:

This is probably the smarter play

We’re due for that type of offseason.

We’ve seen Veach hit every other position group hard at times, except receiver (I’ll include TE). I’m sure a lot of that has to due with inheriting Hill and Kelce.

Tim to build up the weapons for the next phase of Mahomes’s career. We’ve done all we can with Kelce and whatever has been around him.

Kelce will still be a piece, but he needs pressure taken off of him.

I’m more excited for this upcoming offseason than any of our recent ones. Really interested to see what we put around Mahomes.

The Cardinals would never pass on him. That said we need to trade up and get a top flight WR. Waiting until 32 is not an option either though. Better trade up for one.

What is so funny is we had a boat load of WR's during TC that all of us were excited about and then that turned into unsure/voting for and NOW WE need WRs! That is ridiculous! Now, WE START OVER! That pisses me off. :banghead:

It is ironic. Turns out, they all suck! LOL. Well, Rice looks like a keeper and Toney is useful for about 3 touches a week, but the rest can hit the road.

All we can judge is how they look in preseason games and what we hear from camp.

Remember Derek Carr torching McDuffie in preseason?

Those games aren’t always an accurate look at what we’ve got.

What if we make it to the Superbowl, hell, what if we win it? Trade away the picks still?

Do we win the Super Bowl 17-16 because our D plays great and we only score 3 points in 2nd half and hold on?

We need WRs unless in the last 7 games we go from worst to first in drops.

And what if Kelce retires after this season… who is your go to guy in this offense in 2024?

The receiver trade ideas are going to be as reeruned as all the left tackle trade ideas we had seen in previous years.

Because they want to keep tanking for Arch Manning.

We've seen Varch rebuild entire position groups in his short tenure all while having to deal with his drafting position. I'm pretty sure he and Reid know what the consequences are of their decisions at WR. We've been in 3 SB's and won 2. So far I haven't seen any brilliant ideas by anyone here that would make me want to put them into either of their positions.

The guy who doesn't even start for Texas and might be overrated because of his namesake?

I actually think we need a hard look at the development program we have for recievers. If a few guys underperform, that's a them problem. If your entire receiving group, tight ends included, are underperforming, you may have deeper problems

No team would do this. He's going top 2.

Who the **** is "all of us"? The invisible friends that live in your head?

I've been bitching about the WR room since before the season started.

Man, I hope Veach reads CP and realizes he just needs to follow stupid trade ideas from a hooker ****ing, Italian food splurging, and suntanned fat ass to turn the receiver position around.

He can and did last year but that was before those same receivers became allergic to catching.


Maybe Mahomes doesn't wash his hands or something

Speaking of a Herchel Walker type of trade, that Herchel Walker trade really boosted the Cowboys into that dynasty in the 90's.

Maybe Mahomes can throw and catch it too.

Rams and the Texans have had great success developing young, unheralded WR’s this year and both teams have experienced WR coaches.

Meanwhile Andy promoted a glorified intern with minimal experience to WR Coach and tasks him with developing an inexperienced and talent-deficient WR group.

What could go wrong.

There goes Vap Belize's brokedick WR of the month club subscription to the regift pile

I'd say no; given the history of how teams play the Chiefs, what is to stop them from giving MH jr. the TH treatment and make sure he can't hurt you?

The Chiefs need talent; I don't think they need top of the line talent. Receivers that can run routes, find open spots in zones when the routes are covered and mostly, just catch the balls that are thrown to you.

At this point I'd give Marvin Harrison Sr a call.

Well Jefferson was the 5th receiver in his class at number 22 I think. The Chiefs would be better off to target someone in the 11-20 pick range. Less draft capital and they can get someone Mahomes can work with.

There were three players taken in the third round this year that have more yards than Rice. No need to give up picks.

This is the correct answer. This WR class is LOADED and we’ll see talent drop to us at the late 1st round that would normally be top 10-20 picks if not better.

Harrison will likely be the first WR taken, but I’ve seen mocks where Xavier Legette and Adonai Mitchell aren’t even taken first round and any other year those guy are locks to be top 20 guys.

Legette is a DK Metcalf athletic freak running a 4.3 at 6’3” 227 Ibs. and Mitchell is a 6’4” lanky downfield threat that runs like a gazelle.

Both will likely be there for us in the first witb still a ton of talent left in the second.

In that case just draft the top 4 receivers on the board at the time with the first 4 picks and hope a couple of them sticks, if you have to cut one or two because they are basically skyy moore then so be it. That's if they don't get anybody significant in free agency first. If they only get 1 guy in free agency, just do the first 3 picks and hope you get lucky. At least 5 of these receivers currently on the team need to get their asses cut so they'll need to be replacing them.

LMAO

Why?

We don't get 1st round talent in the 1st round because we are always picking in the 30s.

Would you trade FAU and Rice for a true #1 receiver, on a rookie deal, for 5, FOR FIVE years? If not, you are wrong.

I would trade 3 years of FAU and Rice, and 3 years of Karlaftis and Skyy Moore, or whatever bust of a receiver we draft in the second round after drafting a second rounder at the end of the 1st round, for 5 years of having a true number one receiver.

We don't really need to draft a lot on defense since we are the youngest snap adjusted defense in the NFL, and other than receiver, and maybe a TE, we really don't need to draft a lot on offense.

So, why is a bunch of second round maybes more valuable than a possible generational wide receiver?

But you can’t frame it like this because it’s not the way it works.

You can’t just say - would you trade these players taken at this position whom we already know exactly what they are and what they’ve been doing and in return we’re going to get a clear #1 receiver. That’s not the trade. And it’s definitely not 3 years of those guys - it’s 5 of the 1’s and 4 of the 2’s.

The relevant conversation is trading 3 1’s and 2 2’s in the future as a starting point for the discussion.

Because rather than the pick being Skyy Moore, it could be Chris Jones. Rather than Karlaftis, it could be McDuffie.

If I said the trade was 5 years of McDuffie and the first 4 years of Chris Jones’ career plus 2 more 1’s and another 2, are you sure that’s a trade you’d make? (That’s as unfair a way to frame it as you just did.)

Maybe we can get Taylor Swift to sing at his daughter's birthday party in exchange for the pick.

I can't think of a team in modern NFL history that's done worse than the Chiefs at drafting pass catchers. They're atrocious. And I'm not that high on Rice. 3rd round talent Terry Mclaurin was jumping off the screen his rookie year and his quarterback died in traffic. Rice gets eight thousand snaps a game and looks average.

Jerry Rice's son IS in this draft, likely going at the bottom of the 2nd.

Just in case we don't cash it all in for Marvin Harrison's boy.

The alternative approach is to double-dip given the depth of talent. I know the argument against is rookie's don't get a chance and it takes time to learn the offense, but maybe there's a concurrent rethink from the team on how to put rookie WRs in the best position to succeed.

Take 2 WRs in the first 3 rounds.

I'm game for 2 early WRs.

Which of our current WRs would you even want back next season? Rice.

All true and I feel the same about Rice. If he's going to be so good, then we should be getting him more work. Why doesn't he? Many WR's come out the gate and are killing it but never ours. Maybe that's Andy system being too tough? Why is it Juju came in and was great from the start? Maybe Rice is being over hyped.

I haven't read the whole thread but I'd move up for the georgia tight end and save some capital first i think. Sign a WR in FA.

We're not getting into the top few picks for Harrison Jr. It just isn't going to happen.

I'd gladly move up into the top 15 for his teammate though, Emeka Egbuka.

Giving up multiple firsts plus more premium picks to draft a WR is nuts.

I'm absolutely for drafting one in the first or second, probably not two because it'll be difficult to get two rookies on the field.

And we'll cut MVS I'm sure, and probably sign a vet but it's not going to be a marquee, big money guy, it'll probably be someone like Mooney.

You don't gut EVERYTHING from what is a championship level team just to fill the WR corps, that's a bad idea. There are a lot of guys we're going to have to make decisions on this off-season. About half the defense, for example. We've got 5 picks and not a lot of cap room all things considered.

Accidentally thumbs down this when I wanted to thumbs up.

You might be right! ROFL

So basically neither one will be even on our radar.

The smart play is to let about 5 teams fight over the remaining possible Franchise QBs at #28-32 (Daniels - LSU, Nix - Ore, maybe Ewers if he has good pro days)...trade down 5 to 10 spots, you still get tall, fast WRs like Franklin, Thomas, Polk, and get an additional 2nd to use on a pass rushing DT, decent OT, or a "slipper"

If we're not winning every game it's important to mortgage the future

I'd do it, you start shortchanging Mahomes and his career possibilities, he'll start to sour on KC and eventually be like Aaron Rodgers after enough times being snubbed. Rodgers was right to get out of Green Bay given that they got rid of Davante Adams, don't give Mahomes the same thought in his head, get him the best WR possible and one that is cheap for the next 4-5 years.

We say this every year, and only have potentially Rashee Rice to show for it. They've missed better receivers with Mecole Hardman and Skyy Moore, what makes you think they'll nail this one? Outside of Tyreek Hill, which was luck in the end given his history and us taking the chance on him in the draft, you haven't had any WRs to gloat about that you got in the draft.

...and if Harrison tears an achilles, you have blown an entire draft- no Bolton, Humphrey, Gray, Karlaftis, Cook, Watson, Pacheco, Rice. Terrible idea, and who wants multiple picks at the bottom of the board when some rummy franchise will offer them multiple picks in the middle or near the top?

Hopefully they learn from their mistakes...the DNA is there to make wise choices, perhaps you hire a consultant, shake things up. This is a deep draft at WR, so the odds of landing a #1 at 28-38 are fairly strong.

Of the Top 5 receivers in 2023:

AJ Brown went #51
Reek - #165
Keenan Allen - #76
Amon St. Brown Ra - #112

They are out there, BV just needs to not outthink it this year.

Legette is a 5th year senior who did literally nothing his first four years. This gives me great pause.

Mitchell, Franklin I like. Worthy, too. All different physical types, all can fly.

Are there any high quality WRs coming out in free agency this off-season? If so then my plan would be let Chris Jones walk, sign the WR and sign Sneed to a new contract. This would only work if there is a high quality WR available. I think Sneed plus a top WR is more valuable than Jones.

Green Bay drafted very poorly for years and Rodgers was begging the FO for help and they ignored him.

It's not nearly the same thing here.

I think the right play at WR is to take one early and one late (obviously depends on what’s there). I assume we’ll also sign a Mooney-level WR and then some other vet who either 1) has underperformed or 2) is looking to bounce back (maybe from injury or something). Another Juju type situation.

It’s going to take volume. I’d bring Rice and Toney back. The rest can go.

I think you're probably right.

MVS will be gone, saving us $10m.

Moore will be back, as he's on a rookie deal and cheap. Ideally, he's your WR#6. Watson is under contract, but in an ideal world, he's a cut because he's not good enough to make your football team. We hope.

I agree that Mooney would be a good target as an underutilized value pick-up.

And you draft one early.

Mooney, #1 or #2 pick, Rice, Toney, Moore. Maybe there's room for one more, maybe you just role with 5 like most years.

Hopefully they identify an under-the-radar TE as well. When a player mentions retirement, it's usuallly over, and since TK has won the social and financial lotteries this year, I don't know if that fire will be burning this off season...hell, it may not be now judging by the output.

Cool. Now do all the other wr's from the lower rounds.

Looks like there's a few of those in this draft, too.

People need to understand, though-you're not going to replace Travis Kelce on a one-for-one basis.

there's nothing wrong with Noah Gray other than he's not Travis Kelce and he plays on a team with him.

Not sure where you're trying to go with that, but it's a fact that top WR's come from all over the draft, and the first rounders bust at a high rate.

I researched this last off-season, and the sweet spot seems to be rounds 2-4. I'm not going to get back into the specifics again as my curiosity was satisfied and I don't remember the details.

I'm just saying that the madness leading up to the draft and moving up for a WR into the high first, giving up multiple picks is a HUGE risk, and not one that tends to pay off in winning Super Bowls.

I'd definitely be looking at WR in rounds one and/or two this year, though.

Just that easy huh? 4 picks out of 260, 5-10 of those you own in that 260. Brett Veach has shown you he doesn't take good WR's, this organization has shown you they don't take good WR's, until it happens you can shit in one hand and hope in the other and see which fills up faster.