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Sassy Squatch 10-25-2023 07:18 AM

Jim Irsay wants instant replay on all calls, including penalties, in last 2 minutes
 
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Sassy Squatch 10-25-2023 07:19 AM

Pretty nifty conundrum for Goodell here. What do you do when your boss is the one openly calling out the refs for their incompetence.

wazu 10-25-2023 07:22 AM

I see what you mean, here. When Irsay says "Anthony Richard's Surgery", what he really means is "Instant Replay in the final 2 minutes". And when he says "no new surprises" he means "no bad calls". Smart of him to deliver this encoded message so the league can't directly take him on.

Edit: Oh, wait. I'm seeing the full tweet on Twitter. What a strange throw-in at the end. Gotta love that crazy bastard.

DJ's left nut 10-25-2023 07:24 AM

"Jim Irsay joins Sean Payton in being a crying bitch; demands to make league unwatchable because he's a pissboy"

lawrenceRaider 10-25-2023 07:26 AM

Not sure why anyone thinks it would fix anything. Replay often doesn't get it right. See the "fumble" replay from the Chiefs game Sunday. Clearly not a catch so couldn't be a fumble, but review upheld the call.

If anything, this would give the NFL more levers to pull in their quest for story lines.

Eleazar 10-25-2023 07:30 AM

Sounds like a great recipe for an NBA-like fan experience, watching a final 2 minutes that are 30 minutes of people standing around

Titty Meat 10-25-2023 07:33 AM

Didn't they challenge calls a few years ago and only like 1 got overturned the whole season?

KCUnited 10-25-2023 07:33 AM

Unless they can make the review instantaneous it seems like an advantage for the driving team with no timeouts

BigBeauford 10-25-2023 07:33 AM

They should have kept in the pass interference replay at the very least.

O.city 10-25-2023 07:35 AM

Maybe it's because the Chiefs are just good now and we're past the whole "yell about officiating" thing, but I'm at the point to where......it's over officiated and it's a hard gig.

They get them right the vast majority of the time and it's just the human element of it. I think they could dial it back a bit but **** man, it's a hard thing to ask these guys to do. Things happen fast.

Anyone that upset about it, I would recommend they go volunteer to officiate some pee wee football.

ShortRoundChief 10-25-2023 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by BigBeauford (Post 17188443)
They should have kept in the pass interference replay at the very least.

Did they overturn any calls? Seemed like they put it in to appease the Saints and once the anger died down bye

Eleazar 10-25-2023 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 17188456)
Did they overturn any calls? Seemed like they put it in to appease the Saints and once the anger died down bye

I think they put it in for one year and didn’t keep it.

It was an overreaction to one particularly egregious bad call, but you don’t structure the rules around things like that.

wazu 10-25-2023 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by J Diddy (Post 17188456)
Did they overturn any calls? Seemed like they put it in to appease the Saints and once the anger died down bye

The refs seemed determined to sabotage that change. They were successful.

Indian Chief 10-25-2023 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 17188442)
Unless they can make the review instantaneous it seems like an advantage for the driving team with no timeouts

Or a defense that's completely gassed and getting steamrolled.

Pasta Little Brioni 10-25-2023 08:31 AM

Cool....now we can miss the entire first half when we play at 325...

Hawker007 10-25-2023 08:35 AM

How many times has Gene been talking about a call and you are sitting there wondering what the heck he is seeing as it's not what we are seeing? The refs stand up for each other. I'd love to see a random fan of the team getting hosed by a call on the broadcast to argue with Gene and his rational for a shitty call.

DJ's left nut 10-25-2023 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Eleazar (Post 17188439)
Sounds like a great recipe for an NBA-like fan experience, watching a final 2 minutes that are 30 minutes of people standing around

On TV and especially at the stadium, the fan experience has been substantially diminished over the years because of how over-officiated the game has become.

Big play? Do you celebrate? Not yet - you immediately scan the field for a flag. Close TD - get fired up? Slow down, my friend - we still need to wait for a replay. Big hit? Eh, just presume that's being penalized.

The problem is now expectation. Fans (and players) have come to EXPECT officials to bail them out. To prevent big plays or create them through penalty. To end drives or continue them. And then you have anger when it DOESN'T happen.

The league needs fewer flags. SIGNIFICANTLY fewer flags.

The Franchise 10-25-2023 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17188569)
On TV and especially at the stadium, the fan experience has been substantially diminished over the years because of how over-officiated the game has become.

Big play? Do you celebrate? Not yet - you immediately scan the field for a flag. Close TD - get fired up? Slow down, my friend - we still need to wait for a replay. Big hit? Eh, just presume that's being penalized.

The problem is now expectation. Fans (and players) have come to EXPECT officials to bail them out. To prevent big plays or create them through penalty. To end drives or continue them. And then you have anger when it DOESN'T happen.

The league needs fewer flags. SIGNIFICANTLY fewer flags.

It doesn't help that players constantly whine for flags after every play.

Wallcrawler 10-25-2023 08:46 AM

In other news, Jim Irsay would like unlimited booze and pills in his suite.

wachashi 10-25-2023 08:47 AM

Replay reviews should take no more than 30 seconds. If the league can figure out how to do that consistently, I would be open to the idea of more reviews in the final two minutes. As it is, long reviews, unnecessary rules analysts, incompetent refs, and breaking for commercials every 2 minutes have made the sport objectively less entertaining.

AdolfOliverBush 10-25-2023 09:08 AM

And for god's sake, get the refs bigger monitors to view replays with. They would be better off looking at the stadium screens than the little pieces of shit they use now.

Eleazar 10-25-2023 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17188569)
On TV and especially at the stadium, the fan experience has been substantially diminished over the years because of how over-officiated the game has become.

Big play? Do you celebrate? Not yet - you immediately scan the field for a flag. Close TD - get fired up? Slow down, my friend - we still need to wait for a replay. Big hit? Eh, just presume that's being penalized.

The problem is now expectation. Fans (and players) have come to EXPECT officials to bail them out. To prevent big plays or create them through penalty. To end drives or continue them. And then you have anger when it DOESN'T happen.

The league needs fewer flags. SIGNIFICANTLY fewer flags.

The same thing is happening in the Premier League.

Fans complain that you can't celebrate a goal anymore because the video assistant referee may disallow it for someone being offside by an eyelash. The accuracy of the technology is actually too much and it deflates the experience in the stadium especially.

The VAR officials are only supposed to take action if there's a clear and obvious error, but often on things like penalties they go from totally missing clear and obvious errors to overturning things that are judgement calls.

It's not just the NFL having an issue with over-officiating, it's a lot of sports

displacedinMN 10-25-2023 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by wachashi (Post 17188590)
Replay reviews should take no more than 30 seconds. If the league can figure out how to do that consistently, I would be open to the idea of more reviews in the final two minutes. As it is, long reviews, unnecessary rules analysts, incompetent refs, and breaking for commercials every 2 minutes have made the sport objectively less entertaining.

True.

Otherwise there is no reason to watch games, just the last two minutes.....like NCAA basketball.


Those last two minutes could take 20.

AdolfOliverBush 10-25-2023 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by displacedinMN (Post 17188634)
True.

Otherwise there is no reason to watch games, just the last two minutes.....like NCAA basketball.


Those last two minutes could take 20.

That could be fixed by making an intentional foul = 2 points and the ball for the team that was fouled. Harsh, but would speed the game up.

BigBeauford 10-25-2023 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Eleazar (Post 17188628)
The same thing is happening in the Premier League.

Fans complain that you can't celebrate a goal anymore because the video assistant referee may disallow it for someone being offside by an eyelash. The accuracy of the technology is actually too much and it deflates the experience in the stadium especially.

The VAR officials are only supposed to take action if there's a clear and obvious error, but often on things like penalties they go from totally missing clear and obvious errors to overturning things that are judgement calls.

It's not just the NFL having an issue with over-officiating, it's a lot of sports

Gotta imagine sports betting plays a big role.

loochy 10-25-2023 09:21 AM

I'm fine with the current challenge system. But yeah, I think ANY call should be a candidate for review.

Lzen 10-25-2023 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Hawker007 (Post 17188565)
How many times has Gene been talking about a call and you are sitting there wondering what the heck he is seeing as it's not what we are seeing? The refs stand up for each other. I'd love to see a random fan of the team getting hosed by a call on the broadcast to argue with Gene and his rational for a shitty call.

Right! I have noticed that a lot of times these former refs that they ask about a particular call almost always side with the refs call on the field, even if it appears to be incorrect.

DaFace 10-25-2023 09:26 AM

I'm fine with expanding reviews, but I wish they would lean more into the old "clear and obvious" version of it rather than slowing things down to 1000 fps and looking for differences in 1mm.

Something like, all replays are decided by a booth official, and they have no more than 30 seconds to look at any call, or it stays with the call on the field.

DJ's left nut 10-25-2023 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Eleazar (Post 17188628)
The same thing is happening in the Premier League.

Fans complain that you can't celebrate a goal anymore because the video assistant referee may disallow it for someone being offside by an eyelash. The accuracy of the technology is actually too much and it deflates the experience in the stadium especially.

The VAR officials are only supposed to take action if there's a clear and obvious error, but often on things like penalties they go from totally missing clear and obvious errors to overturning things that are judgement calls.

It's not just the NFL having an issue with over-officiating, it's a lot of sports

The NHL was falling into that trap a few years back.

The offside rule was being used to disallow goals that were just clear goals and worse, they were getting hypertechnical in their enforcement. I was seeing a goal/wk being waved off because a player that was onside didn't have his skate on the ice due to a cross step or something and as a consequence was deemed to have not 'established' in the zone yet.

Fortunately they changed that particular aspect of the rule but there are still occasional ticky tack offsides reviews that are ancillary to the goal. To try to address those, I believe the NHL makes it a minor penalty now to request an offsides review on a goal if it's not overturned.

It just makes the product so much worse.

DJ's left nut 10-25-2023 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush (Post 17188636)
That could be fixed by making an intentional foul = 2 points and the ball for the team that was fouled. Harsh, but would speed the game up.

I've never understood why that wasn't the case.

It's as 'intentional' as intentional gets. You have guys hugging players before the ball is even in-bounded. How's that not an 'intentional' foul?

Annoys the crap out of me. If you're fouling someone for the SAKE of fouling them, it should be a damn intentional foul. That's what the rule was created to avoid.

Instead they've conflated the term 'intentional' with 'egregious' and have had to go the extra step of creating an 'intentional 1 or intentional 2' based on the degree of malice involved.

Its ludicrous.

DaFace 10-25-2023 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17188649)
The NHL was falling into that trap a few years back.

The offside rule was being used to disallow goals that were just clear goals and worse, they were getting hypertechnical in their enforcement. I was seeing a goal/wk being waved off because a player that was onside didn't have his skate on the ice due to a cross step or something and as a consequence was deemed to have not 'established' in the zone yet.

Fortunately they changed that particular aspect of the rule but there are still occasional ticky tack offsides reviews that are ancillary to the goal. To try to address those, I believe the NHL makes it a minor penalty now to request an offsides review on a goal if it's not overturned.

It just makes the product so much worse.

I wonder if escalating the "punishment" for being wrong would work in the NFL. Losing a TO is a pretty mild slap on the wrist, but maybe if you also got a 15-yard penalty for being wrong or something, that would deter coaches from challenging unless it truly is an obvious call.

DJ's left nut 10-25-2023 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 17188656)
I wonder if escalating the "punishment" for being wrong would work in the NFL. Losing a TO is a pretty mild slap on the wrist, but maybe if you also got a 15-yard penalty for being wrong or something, that would deter coaches from challenging unless it truly is an obvious call.

I'd be willing to try it.

Then again, I typically appreciate Brandon Staley torching his timeouts on fruitless review efforts so it's not the worst thing in the world...

And it still wouldn't quite address the underlying problem in that the NFL is just over-officiated.

Red Dawg 10-25-2023 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Sassy Squatch (Post 17188428)
Pretty nifty conundrum for Goodell here. What do you do when your boss is the one openly calling out the refs for their incompetence.

Like Goodell gives a shit. He has a contact that they must pay worth a gozillion bucks. Do you realize Goodell is damn near a billionaire.

AdolfOliverBush 10-25-2023 09:46 AM

As long as instant replays are used, teams should always have an opportunity to view a replay on the big screen before the next play is run. No more rushed or missed challenges just because the offense is trying to hurry to the line to snap the ball.

irafreak 10-25-2023 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 17188447)
Maybe it's because the Chiefs are just good now and we're past the whole "yell about officiating" thing, but I'm at the point to where......it's over officiated and it's a hard gig.

They get them right the vast majority of the time and it's just the human element of it. I think they could dial it back a bit but **** man, it's a hard thing to ask these guys to do. Things happen fast.

Anyone that upset about it, I would recommend they go volunteer to officiate some pee wee football.

They don't even have to ref peewee, just go watch volleyball and sit there and see when the ball is in, out, or on the line. I often film my daughters playing and I will swear the ball that landed right in front of me was out and then I look at the replay and it was in. The eyes are deceiving at such high speeds.

irafreak 10-25-2023 10:05 AM

Also I think we should just throw out everything but the last 2 minutes of the game since apparently all games are won or lost in those final two minutes because the refs are bad.

Pasta Little Brioni 10-25-2023 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by irafreak (Post 17188713)
Also I think we should just throw out everything but the last 2 minutes of the game since apparently all games are won or lost in those final two minutes because the refs are bad.

They aren't "bad". They are doing what they are paid/instructed to do. At that they're doing phenomenal

KC_Lee 10-25-2023 10:31 AM

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PHOG 10-25-2023 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 17188584)
It doesn't help that players constantly whine for flags after every play.

This should be a penalty iiself.

RINGLEADER 10-25-2023 11:05 AM

I wouldn’t mind letting an “eye in the sky” ref out clearly wrong calls with a veto of what the refs on the field call. At the very least during the playoffs. The uncatchable PI call was atrocious and if the refs on the field can’t call it right it should be corrected. I don’t know how many times I’ve seen face mask and horse collar or roughing the passer flags thrown and not thrown when they should and shouldn’t be called.

RINGLEADER 10-25-2023 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 17188656)
I wonder if escalating the "punishment" for being wrong would work in the NFL. Losing a TO is a pretty mild slap on the wrist, but maybe if you also got a 15-yard penalty for being wrong or something, that would deter coaches from challenging unless it truly is an obvious call.

Interesting…..

But I think the issue is the non-reviewable calls that are clearly clearly wrong. Getting it more right than wrong should be the goal of course.

FlaChief58 10-25-2023 11:16 AM

If they start holding them accountable by fining or suspending refs for blatantly wrong calls, there won't be a need to slow the game down even more.

RockChalk 10-25-2023 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush (Post 17188623)
And for god's sake, get the refs bigger monitors to view replays with. They would be better off looking at the stadium screens than the little pieces of shit they use now.

I was just talking about this with some friends during the game on Sunday. Just like they have for medical tents on each side, they really should just set up something similar for replay review. Have a little tent with a 36-40 inch tv in each one (1 on the 20 yard line of visitor / and one on the home side). Instead they stare at a Surface for 2 minutes trying to make out details on some 9 inch screen. I still suspect they aren't really looking at anything other than deciding what pornhub video they'll hit up after the game and that NY is actually reviewing and telling them how to rule.

DRM08 10-25-2023 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider (Post 17188432)
Not sure why anyone thinks it would fix anything. Replay often doesn't get it right. See the "fumble" replay from the Chiefs game Sunday. Clearly not a catch so couldn't be a fumble, but review upheld the call.

If anything, this would give the NFL more levers to pull in their quest for story lines.

You provided a good example with Blake Bell. He never had control of that ball, and somehow the morons still ruled it a fumble after looking at it. SMH

Chief Pagan 10-25-2023 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by irafreak (Post 17188713)
Also I think we should just throw out everything but the last 2 minutes of the game since apparently all games are won or lost in those final two minutes because the refs are bad.

I watch most NBA playoff games that are on YouTube TV.

Meaning, I will at least slide the bar over and watch the last five minutes and laugh at how bad the reffing is...

HemiEd 10-25-2023 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by wazu (Post 17188486)
The refs seemed determined to sabotage that change. They were successful.

This was exactly the case and they didn't even try and hide it.

ku_jhawk23 10-25-2023 05:12 PM

The problem with this change is that a pass interference like that in the 3rd quarter can be just as critical in determining the outcome as in the last 2 minutes. You have to do it the whole game, or not at all. I don't want instant replay, but a "sky judge" would be great. He/she could watch a quick replay, and get in the ear of the ref while they are talking about the penalty. They could also point out that Chris Jones is being choked every play and tell them to watch for it. I don't want them calling penalties from the box though that aren't called on the field.

Red Dawg 10-25-2023 05:36 PM

We have finally caught breaks from refs. Eagles went flag less. NFL want the rematch with Swift in attendance and we win again

Bump 10-25-2023 05:49 PM

it was a pretty suspicious weekend, including college with that Iowa return (that was one of the worst I've seen all time).

MarkDavis'Haircut 10-25-2023 06:14 PM

The USFL has a better review system than the NFL. The NFL doesn't want to be transparent or fix the problem. And they won't do so until fans leave in droves.


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