Media starting to hype up Jared Goff
 

I seen this conversation yesterday on Pat Mcafee's show about him being underrated, and today I see the same thing on Undisputed. What say you Planeters? The guy has battled with Mahomes in two pretty epic games so I'll give him props for that. Still not sold on the guy.

Underrated is definitely fair. He's a solid and legitimate starting NFL QB.

But I've also seen talk of him being an MVP candidate and that's just silly.

He's prime Matt Ryan, which is pretty damn solid... occasional pro bowl type player

Always had him on my list of better deep ball throwers in the league. And he's a solid intermediate passer as well when things are going well.

I wouldn't say he's 'prime' Matt Ryan because prime Matt Ryan won an MVP and deservedly so. But he's a poor man's Ryan in that he can be really good when a plus team is in place around him.

He's a solid throwback thrower. Kirk Cousins may be his best analogue though I think Cousins has demonstrated far greater consistency. He's not going to make much happen off script. He's not terribly mobile or a plus improviser. But if you're looking for someone that can operate an offense well, he's fine.

I wouldn't go much further than that, though.

Decent, not great. He's had the good fortune of having abundant weapons for most of his career.

Yep, talking MVP, however, if these QB's stats continue to be meh, we may see a non QB win MVP this year. Tyreek if he continues at this pace, or a defender...

He's limited but competent. He can be really good if he's gameplanned around his strengths and limit his weaknesses.

Or he can blow ass with insufficient talent or being asked to do something he's not capable of.

Coaching matters kids.

I remember telling Lions fans at the home opener "good luck getting to a SB with Alex Smith as your QB". My opinion hasn't changed.

cousins with better luck sounds about right. Going from McVay to a burgeoning lions team

i wouldn’t call him alex smith he has plenty of manly picks on his resume

Average

I think MVP would go to Tyreek right now. Obviously we’ve got a lot of football left to be played, but..

It’s looking like this is the best season in about 10 years for a non-QB to have a chance of winning.

But, yeah, regarding Goff’s MVP odds, I do understand why they say it. He’s the QB of one of the best teams in the league and they don’t have a ton of star power. Makes sense.

Funny. Fitzmagic said the same thing- Goff is a poor man’s Matt Ryan. Goff took some offense to it on a postgame show with Fitz and the boys.. but it’s really not a negative. You could do a lot worse than Matt Ryan.

In QBR, Goff is the 4th most efficient passer in the league, in Passer Rating he's 3rd. Mahomes is 4th and 9th, respectively.

Basically, there's only a handful of QBs that I'd take over Goff this season.

Lions are going to win a shit ton of games. NFC North blows. And the AFC West blows as well, and they already beat the Chiefs. MVP generally goes to the QB on the team with best record. I could see him getting some MVP talk.

They're actually in a spot to win like 14/15 games and have teh 1 seed in the NFC. Look at their schedule.

Yeah, I just looked at their schedule, and they could run the table. Only a couple teams on there that they could/should lose to, like BAL or DAL.

Goff isn't scared shitless of throwing deep, though

He’s very solid.

Geoff is solid. Give him Andy and he’s Pro Bowl every year.

If Andy can make trash Like AlexSmith serviceable. Imagine what he can do with Geoff’s talent.

I want to get a medical meth card

I’d trust Goff over Purdy and maybe even Hurts in a playoff game.

This Jared Goff lived close to you?

Goff, Purdy and Tua all look so much better bc of the scheme and immense talent surrounding them.

Never forget that Charlie Weiss made Matt Cassel look good for one season when we had prime Jamaal and Bowe.

Still always gonna be the guy who got replaced by Stafford, who then won a Super Bowl.

Cassel to Bowe was crazy that year...the funny thing is once Charlie decided to bail towards the end of season and then after they never came close on a connection

He plays well against the Chiefs.

Nah, now you’ve gone too far lol

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He got a team to a Super Bowl, so he's a step above Kirk Cousins. He's won some playoff games and he seems to have taken another step up in Detroit with what Campbell is building.

The Lions have a decent shot of being the #1 seed, and if so, he will most likely be in the MVP conversation with Mahomes, Tua, Tyreek and a long shot Stroud if the Texans can somehow steal the division from the Jags.

He wasn't great in the recent game. They scored 14 points on offense. Toney's fluke Pick 6 was the game-changing play in favor of the Lions.

I said at the time I thought the trade for Goff and picks was smart.

That dude can play. He can get them to a SB, winning it, well we will see.

Meh. playoff stats notwithstanding, I don't think there's a ton of difference between the two, other than Goff obviously has a better arm. Neither probably can put a team on his shoulders and win a big game for you. They both need a complete team around them, and an OC that can hide their flaws/weaknesses consistently, or they'll get exposed pretty quickly.

He played well against us. Our defense is just very good.

Jared Goff: 22/35, 253 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, 1 sack
Trevor Lawrence: 22/41, 216, 0 TD, 0 INT, 4 sacks
Justin Fields: 11/22, 99 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 3 sacks
Zach Wilson: 28/39, 245 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 2 sacks
Kirk Cousins: 29/47, 284 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 3 sacks
Russell Wilson: 13/22, 95 yards, 1 TD, 2 INT, 4 sacks

Charlie had Matt playing and moving within the pocket pretty well. IIIRC he was gettig the ball out pretty quickly that first year too. It's been awhile but it really seemd like that first seaon with a serviceable Casshole was ALL Charlie Weiss.

Of course he's the only QB in that list who did not have to face Chris Jones. That helps, lol

Isn't he the only QB Mahomes hasn't beaten out of the ones he's played against? Unless they had a third meeting I'm forgetting about.

That's correct. Hopefully get some payback in the next meeting.

It took scoring 54 points and then playing the Chiefs without Chris Jones/Travis Kelce to go 2-0 vs Mahomes.

Regular season.

Let's see how he does when the lights shine bright.

F*** him.

Do you know what Quarterbacks and Politicians have in common?
They get too much credit when things are good and too much blame when things are bad!

he's not a bad QB, not a great one but not bad. He could dilfer a team to success if they are talented enough.

I've also witnessed Goff's team beating the best QB that the NFL has ever seen at least twice, which made me sad but it's actually impressive that he has at least 2 wins vs Mahomes. The monday night shootout when he was on the Rams and week 1 vs Detroit, which the Chiefs beat themselves that game more than anything. Coulda easily won if we only had like 5 drops that game.

Another QB that I think it pretty good that Chiefsplanet thinks is shit is Tua, dude can play

He made it to a Super Bowl where he played a bad game. He’s seen the bright lights.

For Goff to succeed, he needs a strong running game.

In LA when he took them to the SB, he had Todd Gurley. When Gurley lost it, Goff became ineffective.

Goff lit it up last season in Detroit because they had a strong running game, the y had a RB with 17 rushing TDs (or so). Give him a running game, and he can put up points.

However, he's not Patrick with the game on the line or in third and long.

Luck is def a part of it. Mahomes came to a playoff team, HOF coach, and sat for a year. Not many 1st round picks get that kind of luck.

Also, Goff is apart of that "burgeoning team" since the get go.

completing 70 percent of his passes at 8.0 YPA is impressive

let's see how he deals with the ravens #2 defense

Yeah, not exactly what I would call "epic" especially since we were missing Jones and Kelce.

It was epic in the sense that we rolled into the game in a wheelchair with two broken legs, missing Kelce and Jones and fielding the worst group of wide recievers the Chiefs have had in the Mahomes era, and still nearly beat them.

Slightly off-topic but is there anyway to watch the 2018 Chiefs v Rams game without the god awful MNF commentary? The commentary ruins arguably one of the greatest regular season games of all time.

He's been there, but never won one

Goff is what he is, he isn't going to scramble around making off platform dime throws downfield... but if you give him a reasonable pocket to step into, he can lean into some solid throws

Compared to what we used to have, I'd be thrilled with having a Goff

If Goff is protected well, he can kill any team.

Put any kind of pressure on him however, and it turns into an episode of pros versus Joe's.

Don’t forget the Refs, they were horrible

I take Jared Goff over Matt Ryan 100 times out of 100 times.

Jared Goff is a freaking dog and if he wins a Super Bowl sometime in his career (hope he doesn’t because I want the Chiefs to win every year), he will go down as an elite QB and deservedly so… the guy has been accumulating some stats that are straight-up sneaky-good. For his entire career.

And I loved how he confronted Ryan Fitzpatrick in regards to Fitz’s lazy, “poor man’s Matt Ryan” take. Pumped me up…

Baltimore getting a ton of pressure on him today.

Well he isn't responding on the field

Lol, well tbf, DET has only run 10 plays, and Goff has only attempted 4 passes. Might want to wait until he actually throws more than a handful of passes before we make that deterimination.

I ain't waiting for shit ROFL

all of jared goff’s best years combined are still about half as good as matt ryan’s 2016 season, super bowl implosion included

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