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Mr. Wizard 09-26-2023 06:29 PM

Andy Reid playing chess nfl refs playing checkers
 
Jawaan Taylor did not get benched on Sunday. According to Charles Goldman of @atozsports, Andy Reid mentioned he had a laceration on the inside of his mouth, but Goldman was told the team pulled Taylor out of the game intentionally. It wasn’t just to sit him as they began to rest other starters in a blowout. The team did so in order to have Prince Tega Wanogho align at similar depth to see if the officials would call a penalty. Donovan Smith also set deeper than he did in the first half. Well, guess what? Neither of them were flagged for illegal formation. It’s just more evidence that Jawaan Taylor is being targeted and it might explain the postgame comments of Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes even more.

MVChiefFan 09-26-2023 06:35 PM

Wow! Just crazy! It was pretty clear that Smith was further off the line than Taylor on one of those calls. It’s so ridiculous.

Mr. Wizard 09-26-2023 06:57 PM

I am sure the chiefs will be sending that video to the nfl. :banghead:

xztop123 09-26-2023 06:59 PM

Crazy to think he’d risk another penalty just to prove a point. Lol if that was the penalty that spurred some miraculous comeback by the bears

Sorce 09-26-2023 07:01 PM

Andy to Rodger. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...b6825b3c5f.gif

Hog's Gone Fishin 09-26-2023 07:02 PM

And I just thought Jawaan was a dumbass!

My bad

R Clark 09-26-2023 07:02 PM

Lol like the bears we’re going to come back and beat them over a couple of penalties on the o line

Jewish Rabbi 09-26-2023 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by xztop123 (Post 17131972)
Crazy to think he’d risk another penalty just to prove a point. Lol if that was the penalty that spurred some miraculous comeback by the bears

:spock:

Rain Man 09-26-2023 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Wizard (Post 17131969)
I am sure the chiefs will be sending that video to the nfl. :banghead:

Yeah, that's pretty smooth of Andy. The refs were definitely targeting Jawaan, and this will get them to back off.

xztop123 09-26-2023 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 17131981)
:spock:

The point is I’ve never heard a coach intentionally telling a player to break the rules to see if a penalty is called.

mlyonsd 09-26-2023 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by xztop123 (Post 17131987)
The point is I’ve never heard a coach intentionally telling a player to break the rules to see if a penalty is called.

If the story is real look at it as Andy doesn't think Taylor is breaking the rules and he is proving the point by lining up the same way with a different player.

That's way different than your argument.

GloucesterChief 09-26-2023 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by xztop123 (Post 17131987)
The point is I’ve never heard a coach intentionally telling a player to break the rules to see if a penalty is called.

It was a blowout. Why not?

ping2000 09-26-2023 07:15 PM

We are so blessed to have Andy Reid.

Mr. Wizard 09-26-2023 07:15 PM

Most teams in the nfl sends weekly video to the nfl, I bet they have never been caught red handed though. Opps I meant Reid handed.

staylor26 09-26-2023 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by xztop123 (Post 17131972)
Crazy to think he’d risk another penalty just to prove a point. Lol if that was the penalty that spurred some miraculous comeback by the bears

Post less.

PHOG 09-26-2023 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by xztop123 (Post 17131972)
Crazy to think he’d risk another penalty just to prove a point. Lol if that was the penalty that spurred some miraculous comeback by the bears

ROFL

srvy 09-26-2023 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by xztop123 (Post 17131972)
Crazy to think he’d risk another penalty just to prove a point. Lol if that was the penalty that spurred some miraculous comeback by the bears

Well that's the difference Between you and your weak jaw and Andy having a backbone to stick up for his players.

DrunkBassGuitar 09-26-2023 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by xztop123 (Post 17131972)
Crazy to think he’d risk another penalty just to prove a point. Lol if that was the penalty that spurred some miraculous comeback by the bears

You should smoke even more weed and try this post again

TLO 09-26-2023 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by xztop123 (Post 17131972)
Crazy to think he’d risk another penalty just to prove a point. Lol if that was the penalty that spurred some miraculous comeback by the bears

Crazy to think you posted about having no chin and a crooked penis and still post here.

You really suck at life.

http://i.imgur.com/MDwdUgn.jpg

ghak99 09-26-2023 08:12 PM

I love CP. That is all.

Red Dawg 09-26-2023 08:35 PM

Refs costs MVS a td and next play Mahomes had his ankle hit late. They screwed us.

RockChalk 09-26-2023 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Wizard (Post 17132000)
never been caught red handed though. Opps I meant Reid handed.

How many times did you read this to yourself and snicker at your own joke before hitting post?

St. Patty's Fire 09-26-2023 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ghak99 (Post 17132062)
I love CP. That is all.

you post this anywhere but here and the fbi will come looking for you

mdchiefsfan 09-26-2023 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xztop123 (Post 17131972)
Crazy to think he’d risk another penalty just to prove a point. Lol if that was the penalty that spurred some miraculous comeback by the bears

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 17131981)
:spock:

Quote:

Originally Posted by xztop123 (Post 17131987)
The point is I’ve never heard a coach intentionally telling a player to break the rules to see if a penalty is called.

Andy Reid playing chess xztop123 playing checkers.

Spott 09-26-2023 08:45 PM

Was JT getting called for this in Jacksonville, or did no one notice because nobody watches the Jags?

007 09-26-2023 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Spott (Post 17132097)
Was JT getting called for this in Jacksonville, or did no one notice because nobody watches the Jags?


Ding ding ding

vonBobo 09-26-2023 08:54 PM

If you enjoy watching Herbert get beat in his only playoff game of his career, than this play is one of the funniest.

https://youtu.be/OKQEueLg-jc?si=g4TWOegIVc0lGZ2E

JT was offsides and illegal formationing on the chiefs loss too but they got smoked so no one cares.

Megatron96 09-26-2023 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Wizard (Post 17131943)
Jawaan Taylor did not get benched on Sunday. According to Charles Goldman of @atozsports, Andy Reid mentioned he had a laceration on the inside of his mouth, but Goldman was told the team pulled Taylor out of the game intentionally. It wasn’t just to sit him as they began to rest other starters in a blowout. The team did so in order to have Prince Tega Wanogho align at similar depth to see if the officials would call a penalty. Donovan Smith also set deeper than he did in the first half. Well, guess what? Neither of them were flagged for illegal formation. It’s just more evidence that Jawaan Taylor is being targeted and it might explain the postgame comments of Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes even more.




Lol, that's awesome. I love Andy.:clap:

MagicHef 09-26-2023 11:10 PM

I’m sure publicly embarrassing the refs will have no downside.

ChiefsFanatic 09-26-2023 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicHef (Post 17132184)
I’m sure publicly embarrassing the refs will have no downside.

The Refs embarrass themselves every Sunday.

I have said this for years: Until NFL officials have to give post game press conferences, where their names and pics are posted and associated with every bad call they make, and they actually have to answer for those bad calls, nothing will ever change.

NFL refs enjoy almost complete anonymity, and therefore they know that they won't face any real consequences for bad calls, even when they reak of point shaving or stink of spread manipulation.

And the NFL wants it to stay exactly the way it is now, which is why NFL refs are still part time, and no reform has been suggested or introduced.

ThyKingdomCome15 09-27-2023 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Wizard (Post 17131943)
Jawaan Taylor did not get benched on Sunday. According to Charles Goldman of @atozsports, Andy Reid mentioned he had a laceration on the inside of his mouth, but Goldman was told the team pulled Taylor out of the game intentionally. It wasn’t just to sit him as they began to rest other starters in a blowout. The team did so in order to have Prince Tega Wanogho align at similar depth to see if the officials would call a penalty. Donovan Smith also set deeper than he did in the first half. Well, guess what? Neither of them were flagged for illegal formation. It’s just more evidence that Jawaan Taylor is being targeted and it might explain the postgame comments of Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes even more.

That's an impressive level of in game investigation by Andy. Big Red is a legend.

MVChiefFan 09-27-2023 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsFanatic (Post 17132188)
The Refs embarrass themselves every Sunday.

I have said this for years: Until NFL officials have to give post game press conferences, where their names and pics are posted and associated with every bad call they make, and they actually have to answer for those bad calls, nothing will ever change.

NFL refs enjoy almost complete anonymity, and therefore they know that they won't face any real consequences for bad calls, even when they reak of point shaving or stink of spread manipulation.

And the NFL wants it to stay exactly the way it is now, which is why NFL refs are still part time, and no reform has been suggested or introduced.

It drives me crazy that there’s no real accountability. They just get to do whatever they want and no one can say shit. We have no idea how they’re “reprimanded” behind the scenes. Something really should be done.

Marcellus 09-27-2023 07:54 AM

Being totally honest, I thought that's what he might be doing when I saw he had pulled Taylor, no way was it punishment after seeing how he was lined up.

And also, holy shit is there a dumber poster than X-top? I mean that's a really really high bar to clear here but its a valid question. JFC man you are worried a 41pt lead might be lost over a couple 5 yard penalties IF they were called?

I mean thats burn your apartment down smoking a porkbutt stupid..

KCUnited 09-27-2023 08:03 AM

Not that I don't believe it because Andy is certainly savvy enough to do this and is obviously fed up with the situation but has anyone else reported this or have a screenshot/video of PTW lineup at Taylor's depth?

The game wasn't televised here and I haven't found a replay of it.

Hog Rider 09-27-2023 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by vonBobo (Post 17132104)
If you enjoy watching Herbert get beat in his only playoff game of his career, than this play is one of the funniest.

https://youtu.be/OKQEueLg-jc?si=g4TWOegIVc0lGZ2E

JT was offsides and illegal formationing on the chiefs loss too but they got smoked so no one cares.

I slowed that to 1/4 speed, and you can barely tell the difference between the ball moving and Taylor moving. fwiw

ghak99 09-27-2023 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by St. Patty's Fire (Post 17132095)
you post this anywhere but here and the fbi will come looking for you

I will never admit to how long it took me to figure out what in the hell you were talking about.

I'm going to send them toward the people who liked my post. They obviously knew exactly what you meant.

Marcellus 09-27-2023 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 17132358)
Not that I don't believe it because Andy is certainly savvy enough to do this and is obviously fed up with the situation but has anyone else reported this or have a screenshot/video of PTW lineup at Taylor's depth?

The game wasn't televised here and I haven't found a replay of it.

Reid's post game press conference pretty much confirms it. I have zero doubt its accurate.

teedubya 09-27-2023 08:51 AM

It seems that Jawaan Taylor has stopped the jumping early... that was bugging TF out of me week one. The illegal formation penalties were not good either. Hopefully they stop targeting him now and pissing all of us off.

LagunaSWana 09-27-2023 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MVChiefFan (Post 17132228)
It drives me crazy that there’s no real accountability. They just get to do whatever they want and no one can say shit. We have no idea how they’re “reprimanded” behind the scenes. Something really should be done.

I'm not sure what putting the officials on the spot in a press conference will do. If there are better officials waiting in the wings to take the spot of someone that is performing poorly, then that would be one thing. But I suspect most of these officials are chosen because they are better, on average, than the ones that don't get picked to work in the NFL.

I think this idea of "accountability" that fans clamor for is more to make them feel good than to somehow "force" better calls to be made. Do you think the refs go out there saying, "Hey, I want to blow some calls today"?

I am a college baseball umpire, so I have a different perspective than most here. Every time I step on the field, my goal is to have a perfect game. But getting one look, from one angle, at full speed makes attaining that goal incredibly difficult. And getting every pitch correct with a 3 dimensional zone with pitches coming in at 90+ mph, and with pitches that are breaking right at the edge or corner of the zone (or just missing that spot) is nearly impossible.

All that said, do I think the officials have had their radar set squarely on Taylor? Absolutely. A memo went out that might as well have had Taylor's name in it. Hopefully they made their point and the Chiefs can get back to business without having to be concerned about it anymore. Andy is sure doing his part.

Boxer_Chief 09-27-2023 12:53 PM

Hell a press conference isn't going to butthurt refs, a whole stadium of people literally made a referee cry. I say give them hell.

Monticore 09-27-2023 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by LagunaSWana (Post 17132778)
I'm not sure what putting the officials on the spot in a press conference will do. If there are better officials waiting in the wings to take the spot of someone that is performing poorly, then that would be one thing. But I suspect most of these officials are chosen because they are better, on average, than the ones that don't get picked to work in the NFL.

I think this idea of "accountability" that fans clamor for is more to make them feel good than to somehow "force" better calls to be made. Do you think the refs go out there saying, "Hey, I want to blow some calls today"?

I am a college baseball umpire, so I have a different perspective than most here. Every time I step on the field, my goal is to have a perfect game. But getting one look, from one angle, at full speed makes attaining that goal incredibly difficult. And getting every pitch correct with a 3 dimensional zone with pitches coming in at 90+ mph, and with pitches that are breaking right at the edge or corner of the zone (or just missing that spot) is nearly impossible.

All that said, do I think the officials have had their radar set squarely on Taylor? Absolutely. A memo went out that might as well have had Taylor's name in it. Hopefully they made their point and the Chiefs can get back to business without having to be concerned about it anymore. Andy is sure doing his part.

We know people make mistakes and it won’t change anything after the fact but every other profession on the Manet has to admit they made a mistake when they happen except refs in any sport at any level , when questioned they throw people out , we just want to hear from their mouth they ****ed up or what they were seeing but that won’t happen.

T-post Tom 09-27-2023 01:22 PM

Next home game: fans tar & feather a ref and hang him/her/it from the George Brett statue. Send a message…
:)

SurroundedByMorons 09-27-2023 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by xztop123 (Post 17131987)
The point is I’ve never heard a coach intentionally telling a player to break the rules to see if a penalty is called.

Have you ever played the game? Beyond pee wee flag football? It happens.

Eleazar 09-27-2023 02:30 PM

Taylor ought to align properly, but the fact that he's being treated differently than every other tackle in the league is nonsense and the NFL needs to get a handle on it.

MVChiefFan 09-27-2023 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by LagunaSWana (Post 17132778)
I'm not sure what putting the officials on the spot in a press conference will do. If there are better officials waiting in the wings to take the spot of someone that is performing poorly, then that would be one thing. But I suspect most of these officials are chosen because they are better, on average, than the ones that don't get picked to work in the NFL.

I think this idea of "accountability" that fans clamor for is more to make them feel good than to somehow "force" better calls to be made. Do you think the refs go out there saying, "Hey, I want to blow some calls today"?

I am a college baseball umpire, so I have a different perspective than most here. Every time I step on the field, my goal is to have a perfect game. But getting one look, from one angle, at full speed makes attaining that goal incredibly difficult. And getting every pitch correct with a 3 dimensional zone with pitches coming in at 90+ mph, and with pitches that are breaking right at the edge or corner of the zone (or just missing that spot) is nearly impossible.

All that said, do I think the officials have had their radar set squarely on Taylor? Absolutely. A memo went out that might as well have had Taylor's name in it. Hopefully they made their point and the Chiefs can get back to business without having to be concerned about it anymore. Andy is sure doing his part.

How did you completely miss the point? I would be a full blown idiot to think officials can’t make mistakes and human errors. I’m talking about a guy that doesn’t get penalized for an entire game for lining up incorrectly. Then a memo goes out to the officials, and even though he seems to have made an effort to correct himself, they start throwing flags on the guy like he’s beating their kids.

It’s intentional and wrong. This isn’t about missing a call, it’s about making several wrong calls against a single player just to prove a point. If you don’t think that’s a bad look then I don’t know what to tell ya. But, again, no one is held accountable for it, so who even knows what happens next, or when it stops? That’s what’s so infuriating.

LagunaSWana 09-27-2023 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Monticore (Post 17132797)
We know people make mistakes and it won’t change anything after the fact but every other profession on the Manet has to admit they made a mistake when they happen except refs in any sport at any level , when questioned they throw people out , we just want to hear from their mouth they ****ed up or what they were seeing but that won’t happen.

As I said, it's all about making fans feel better. I can't speak for NFL refs, but I know that at the college and HS level, they review video extensively to look at calls, no calls, and many other aspects of officiating the game. We do the same in baseball, have meetings, go to camps, etc. This is all to improve and to deliver the best officiating product on the field that we can.

What other professions "have to admit a mistake when they happen?" Do you regularly see doctors, lawyers, mechanics, etc out in the public admitting mistakes they make? And people don't get thrown out when they simply question officials. Other sports have a penalty of some kind (15 yd unsportsmanlike conduct, technical foul and free throws) for abusing officials. Baseball has no such penalty, so warning and/or ejection is the only tool for keeping control of the game. But we don't use it when questioned. We use it for specific unsporting acts, including abuse.

LagunaSWana 09-27-2023 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MVChiefFan (Post 17133023)
How did you completely miss the point? I would be a full blown idiot to think officials can’t make mistakes and human errors. I’m talking about a guy that doesn’t get penalized for an entire game for lining up incorrectly. Then a memo goes out to the officials, and even though he seems to have made an effort to correct himself, they start throwing flags on the guy like he’s beating their kids.

It’s intentional and wrong. This isn’t about missing a call, it’s about making several wrong calls against a single player just to prove a point. If you don’t think that’s a bad look then I don’t know what to tell ya. But, again, no one is held accountable for it, so who even knows what happens next, or when it stops? That’s what’s so infuriating.

Did you stop reading my post before the last paragraph?

Sorce 09-27-2023 04:24 PM

The difference is that Collinsworth let his vagina spew all over a prime time game, then the NFL made an emphasis on it. It wasn't interpreted as let's crack down on this league wide, it was let's target this one guy. I wish announcers could be fined or suspended, between this and Olsen we would be collecting name tags.

notorious 09-27-2023 04:32 PM

Everyone hates us.

Soak it in. Bask in it. It’s glorious.

TheGreatCassholio 09-27-2023 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sorce (Post 17133136)
The difference is that Collinsworth let his vagina spew all over a prime time game, then the NFL made an emphasis on it. It wasn't interpreted as let's crack down on this league wide, it was let's target this one guy. I wish announcers could be fined or suspended, between this and Olsen we would be collecting name tags.

Olsen complaining about the penalty on the hit to Pacheco's head was the latest example of his verbal diarrhea during Chiefs games

Bump 09-27-2023 07:18 PM

I think it's wrong to target one player specifically and throw flags when they did nothing wrong. Honestly it has to be some sort of discrimination.

ChiefsFanatic 09-27-2023 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Boxer_Chief (Post 17132784)
Hell a press conference isn't going to butthurt refs, a whole stadium of people literally made a referee cry. I say give them hell.

Yes, a press conference after every game would work. It may take a month, but eventually NFL refs won't like what happens when their face, and name, get printed in the paper, and plastered all over the internet, along with descriptions or a video clip of their incompetence.

And then they would actually have to explain why they called a play dead because of forward progress, when the ENTIRE ****ing world saw a routine sack. And then their idiotic explanation will also be plastered all over the internet.

The scrutiny of a press conference, and the almost certain cottage industry of memeing refs and their bad calls or ridiculous explanations, would absolutely make an official think twice before watching a receiver get targeted and blown up with the ball in the air, and NOT throwing a flag.

Smed1065 09-27-2023 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 17132346)
Being totally honest, I thought that's what he might be doing when I saw he had pulled Taylor, no way was it punishment after seeing how he was lined up.

And also, holy shit is there a dumber poster than X-top? I mean that's a really really high bar to clear here but its a valid question. JFC man you are worried a 41pt lead might be lost over a couple 5 yard penalties IF they were called?

I mean thats burn your apartment down smoking a porkbutt stupid..

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