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Direckshun 09-08-2023 09:33 AM

Something else that's worth considering.
 
Don't hate on me here, I'm just theorizing. Instead of doing what some of you always do and call me an idiot, dispute the point I'm making, please.

One thing that was absolutely nuts, watching this game, was something I'm not sure I've ever seen before, on both sides of the ball.

The Chiefs, on a down-to-down basis, completely changed up their DL and their weapons on offense. Again, on nearly a down-to-down basis.

They'd have Karlaftis-Nnadi-Dickerson-Herring on one down (which, oh my god) and then the next down they'd have Danna and Wharton subbing in, before bringing in FAU and sometimes even Chenal at DE as a rushbacker.

On offense, there was all kinds of bizarre weapons packages. One down they go three TEs with Justyn Ross off to the side. They have MVS/Toney/Moore on a down only to yank 2/3 of them off so Watson/Rice can come in.

I'm just kind of used to a team that plays a true 1st string and a true 2nd string when the 1st stringers need a blow. Instead, it was a personnel free-for-all.

I get it, the Chiefs are down a few guys. So, logically, you put in your best remaining players and occasionally spell then, rather than just keep a lazy susan of your entire depth chart going. I haven't been able to find the snapcounts, but if Matt Dickerson lead our DTs in snaps, I wouldn't be surprised. There's no way he's our best, or even second best DT.

The defense played well, and the offense had enough in them to win the game yesterday. They just couldn't hold onto the ball.

But it did have a feeling of throwing-shit-against-the-wall in the gameplanning.

IowaHawkeyeChief 09-08-2023 09:45 AM

I was actually quite impressed with Dickerson last night. He seemed to be a nuisance at times. It will be interesting to see how he graded.

deegs 09-08-2023 09:47 AM

I’ve considered things and, despite last night’s performance, the Chiefs are still my favorite team.

mabbott 09-08-2023 09:49 AM

I think this is the beginning of the season and we have a lot of young players. They are still trying to find the rotations that work and see who will stand out. Rotating pass rushers/d-line can help blitzes as they are fresh longer.

I'm not worried about a true first string with as deep as we are. I am for getting more game reps for the younger guys.

King_Chief_Fan 09-08-2023 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by mabbott (Post 17096225)
I think this is the beginning of the season and we have a lot of young players. They are still trying to find the rotations that work and see who will stand out. Rotating pass rushers/d-line can help blitzes as they are fresh longer.

I'm not worried about a true first string with as deep as we are. I am for getting more game reps for the younger guys.

uup

Bearcat 09-08-2023 10:09 AM

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Hog's Gone Fishin 09-08-2023 10:14 AM

Trent Green said, last preseason game, this is the best top to bottom roster we've had , so MOAR players are getting in to play. Reid likes to experiment a little in week 1 so we'll now have a fire lit and an execution plan moving forward. 16-1 we will be

smithandrew051 09-08-2023 10:18 AM

Toney = coming off an injury
Pacheco = coming off an injury
Kelce = out
Rice = rookie
Skyy = second year player and wasn’t a major factor in the offense last year
CEH = got more touches than he should, likely due to Pacheco coming off an injury
Gray = has never really needed to be our TE1

That explains a lot of discombobulation on offense.

The OL was great in pass pro. I won’t judge the run game when CEH has that many carries.

A lot to feel good about, because drops lost us the game. Simple as. That can be corrected.

ROYC75 09-08-2023 10:19 AM

Nicky and his 20-0 No Doubt About It campaign crashed.

ptlyon 09-08-2023 10:22 AM

The biggest change I saw is we lost

Hammock Parties 09-08-2023 10:24 AM

It felt like a fifth preseason game for the offense.

TLO 09-08-2023 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17096323)
Toney = coming off an injury
Pacheco = coming off an injury
Kelce = out
Rice = rookie
Skyy = second year player and wasn’t a major factor in the offense last year
CEH = got more touches than he should, likely due to Pacheco coming off an injury
Gray = has never really needed to be our TE1

That explains a lot of discombobulation on offense.

The OL was great in pass pro. I won’t judge the run game when CEH has that many carries.

A lot to feel good about, because drops lost us the game. Simple as. That can be corrected.

That's a big YIP from me!

The further out from the game we get, the more confident I'm feeling that things will be just fine.

The stars had to align so the shadow of Jupiter shined on the ass of a goat in a remote apartment rooftop in Somalia for the Lions to win.

I'm over it.

Beat the Jaguars.

TLO 09-08-2023 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17096340)
It felt like a fifth preseason game for the offense.

Well 4th, but your point is taken.

smithandrew051 09-08-2023 10:26 AM

We also need to consider not just that Kelce was hurt, but WHEN Kelce was hurt.

2 days before the game? He (like always) was a huge part of the game plan.

What happens to that game plan when Kelce is out? Does it become worthless? No one on the planet can do the things that Kelce does.

Buehler445 09-08-2023 10:28 AM

I think especially later, Reid was trying to **** with Detroit. Their coaching staff is all young and comparatively inexperienced. Some of it was certainly exploitative of Xs and Os, some of it was stressing their communication and decision making systems, which is smart.

Hammock Parties 09-08-2023 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TLO (Post 17096343)
Well 4th, but your point is taken.

Too early for this shit. My head is still ringing from last night. ROFL

Hammock Parties 09-08-2023 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buehler445 (Post 17096352)
I think especially later, Reid was trying to **** with Detroit. Their coaching staff is all young and comparatively inexperienced. Some of it was certainly exploitative of Xs and Os, some of it was stressing their communication and decision making systems, which is smart.

I didn't really have a problem with Reid's gameplan outside the absolute failure of the Blake Bell formation.

He got guys open.

We appear to have a lot of explosion back in the offense that was missing last year. They just need to catch the ball.

The running game is going to need some work, and I wonder if we miss EB there.

DenverChief 09-08-2023 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 17096171)
Don't hate on me here, I'm just theorizing. Instead of doing what some of you always do and call me an idiot, dispute the point I'm making, please.

One thing that was absolutely nuts, watching this game, was something I'm not sure I've ever seen before, on both sides of the ball.

The Chiefs, on a down-to-down basis, completely changed up their DL and their weapons on offense. Again, on nearly a down-to-down basis.

They'd have Karlaftis-Nnadi-Dickerson-Herring on one down (which, oh my god) and then the next down they'd have Danna and Wharton subbing in, before bringing in FAU and sometimes even Chenal at DE as a rushbacker.

On offense, there was all kinds of bizarre weapons packages. One down they go three TEs with Justyn Ross off to the side. They have MVS/Toney/Moore on a down only to yank 2/3 of them off so Watson/Rice can come in.

I'm just kind of used to a team that plays a true 1st string and a true 2nd string when the 1st stringers need a blow. Instead, it was a personnel free-for-all.

I get it, the Chiefs are down a few guys. So, logically, you put in your best remaining players and occasionally spell then, rather than just keep a lazy susan of your entire depth chart going. I haven't been able to find the snapcounts, but if Matt Dickerson lead our DTs in snaps, I wouldn't be surprised. There's no way he's our best, or even second best DT.

The defense played well, and the offense had enough in them to win the game yesterday. They just couldn't hold onto the ball.

But it did have a feeling of throwing-shit-against-the-wall in the gameplanning.

I'm glad you brought this up - I didn't notice it on Defense but definitely saw it on Offense - was rather strange - the only exception was McKinnon not really getting a chance to do anything - I think he only had a handful of snaps.

Buehler445 09-08-2023 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17096358)
I didn't really have a problem with Reid's gameplan outside the absolute failure of the Blake Bell formation.

He got guys open.

We appear to have a lot of explosion back in the offense that was missing last year. They just need to catch the ball.

The running game is going to need some work, and I wonder if we miss EB there.

Agree.

I think the short FG on 4th and short should have been a go for it, the Blake Bell play sucked shit. And someone should have gotten Toney out of there. Dude was shell shocked. Other than that, I thought Reid called a good game.

But hot take: Reid outcoached Campbell.

DenverChief 09-08-2023 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17096323)
Toney = coming off an injury
Pacheco = coming off an injury
Kelce = out
Rice = rookie
Skyy = second year player and wasn’t a major factor in the offense last year
CEH = got more touches than he should, likely due to Pacheco coming off an injury
Gray = has never really needed to be our TE1

That explains a lot of discombobulation on offense.

The OL was great in pass pro. I won’t judge the run game when CEH has that many carries.

A lot to feel good about, because drops lost us the game. Simple as. That can be corrected.

And Rice seemed like the best WR last night - super strange.

KCJake 09-08-2023 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 17096340)
It felt like a fifth preseason game for the offense.

Mahomes looked extremely frustrated for most the game. Dropped back to pass, immediately said "F it, I've gotta get the the 1st down with my legs." He did this several times. Not much faith in the WR's.

KCJake 09-08-2023 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 17096389)
And Rice seemed like the best WR last night - super strange.

Even he had a couple drops I believe.

mr. tegu 09-08-2023 10:49 AM

Something else that's worth considering.
 
What’s to dispute? It was especially noticeable on offense with the receivers. Just complete randomness. And it showed with Mahomes’ play. I’m quite certain there were guys open at times he just missed, largely because they had no rhythm and barely knew who was out there.

InChiefsHeaven 09-08-2023 10:58 AM

That game to me was about body language. No fire on the offense at all. Every time they showed Andy, he just had a dead look in his eyes. I dunno, it just didn't FEEL like a Chiefs regular season game.

Mahomes was visibly frustrated all night. When he had to make plays with his feet, I get the feeling he was seeing guys not getting open and was like "Goddamit, I guess I'll have to do this shit myself."

He actually had a great night, he was off a couple of times, but I think that owes to the fact that he didn't trust any of those ****ers to get the job done.

InChiefsHeaven 09-08-2023 10:59 AM

Oh and Direkshun is an idiot.:D

smithandrew051 09-08-2023 11:03 AM

I’m sure Detroit fans are excited, and rightfully so.

However if any Detroit fans watched that and believes the Lions are on the same level as the Chiefs, then they’re delusional.

There is a sizable gap between the two. Chiefs win by 10+ by just making the easy catches.

Chiefs win by 20 when they make the easy catches and add 2 top 10 NFL players.

dlphg9 09-08-2023 11:11 AM

Ummm, according to XZTop (aka slack jaw) we didn't sub anyone out on the dline.

DenverChief 09-08-2023 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCJake (Post 17096403)
Even he had a couple drops I believe.

he did - he just led all WR's in catches and TD's 3/5 25 yds and a TD

DenverChief 09-08-2023 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InChiefsHeaven (Post 17096431)
That game to me was about body language. No fire on the offense at all. Every time they showed Andy, he just had a dead look in his eyes. I dunno, it just didn't FEEL like a Chiefs regular season game.

Mahomes was visibly frustrated all night. When he had to make plays with his feet, I get the feeling he was seeing guys not getting open and was like "Goddamit, I guess I'll have to do this shit myself."

He actually had a great night, he was off a couple of times, but I think that owes to the fact that he didn't trust any of those ****ers to get the job done.

YES! I agree Andy did not look like he was "present" and Pat was super irritated. This is why I think things get smoothed out this week - no way in hell is a pissed Pat going to let things slide during the week

dlphg9 09-08-2023 11:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xztop123 (Post 17092212)
Kc is not rotating their d line at all.

Quote:

Originally Posted by xztop123 (Post 17092229)
I don’t think felix has played a single snap

Quote:

Originally Posted by xztop123 (Post 17094095)
We’re not rotating on d line at all.

Who am I gonna believe? You or the dude with the worst game in the KC metro?

smithandrew051 09-08-2023 11:45 AM

The biggest concern is simply that we dropped a game that should have been a win.

The race for the 1 seed is always tight. Just makes the margin for error a bit smaller the rest of the way.

FlaChief58 09-08-2023 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17096543)
The biggest concern is simply that we dropped a game that should have been a win.

The race for the 1 seed is always tight. Just makes the margin for error a bit smaller the rest of the way.

It sucks because it was self inflicted. They just made their road to repeat that much harder

ThaVirus 09-08-2023 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17096543)
The biggest concern is simply that we dropped a game that should have been a win.

The race for the 1 seed is always tight. Just makes the margin for error a bit smaller the rest of the way.

Yep, any loss hurts.

BUT I will say that you probably couldn’t have handpicked a better loss for us. It was week 1, against a good NFC opponent. Prior to the start of the season, I think the only game on our schedule I’d have been 100% if you told me it’d be a loss was the Eagles for similar reasons.

Now we will just need to steal an extra W somewhere against an AFC opponent like the Bills, Bengals, Jets, Chargers x2, etc.

Direckshun 09-08-2023 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17096445)
I’m sure Detroit fans are excited, and rightfully so.

However if any Detroit fans watched that and believes the Lions are on the same level as the Chiefs, then they’re delusional.

There is a sizable gap between the two. Chiefs win by 10+ by just making the easy catches.

Chiefs win by 20 when they make the easy catches and add 2 top 10 NFL players.

I completely agree.

The Chiefs played with 2/3 of their All Pros out. They played by constantly churning their depth chart rather than playing their best players. And the Chiefs were in position to win the game several times, and just couldn't hold on to the ball.

Red Beans 09-08-2023 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 17096543)
The biggest concern is simply that we dropped a game that should have been a win.

The race for the 1 seed is always tight. Just makes the margin for error a bit smaller the rest of the way.

We do it once a year. It just happened to be the first game.

Pasta Little Brioni 09-08-2023 12:18 PM

The defense was fine so I don't give a shit

Pasta Little Brioni 09-08-2023 12:21 PM

Again...worst football poster by far on this site

ThyKingdomCome15 09-08-2023 12:43 PM

Yeah, they were screwing around a lot. With that said drops and turnovers can get any team beat. You have to at least play clean.

kcpasco 09-08-2023 01:26 PM

Not getting the 1 seed and still winning it all will make it even better.

raybec 4 09-08-2023 01:36 PM

The rotaion they used worked. They gave up 14 points. Why would that be a concern after everything we saw on the offensive side?

ThyKingdomCome15 09-08-2023 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 17096808)
The rotaion they used worked. They gave up 14 points. Why would that be a concern after everything we saw on the offensive side?

It went well for the defense. IDK what's up with Patrick and the WR's. Scheme, chemistry, IDK. Patrick had all day to find them. I'm watching the all-22 tonight. I need answers.

JimNasium 09-08-2023 02:55 PM

Jeez, you guys are slipping. Direckshun, your and idiot!


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