We need to talk about 2nd and 1 and 3rd and 1.
 

I'm not lying when I say that I'm more confident that we'll convert 3rd and 17 than 3rd and 1.

Why? What's the blind spot here? If nothing else, should they just pretend that every 3rd and 1 is actually 3rd and 17?

In the thread below, indulge me and tell me what our go-to play on 3rd and 1 should be.

I'll start. Mahomes option right with a running back wide of him. We'll convert that play 97 percent of the time.

How about a qb sneak, by our actual qb?

we had a 1 in a million chance injury so we can never ever ever do it again

Why not run the ball up the middle with Pacheco? Why why why Andy??

3rd and short for the offense seems like 3rd and long for the defense. Both make me want to gouge my eyes out.

Play calling was ridiculously bad tonight.

But not surprised, it has been bad for a while now.

Just line up and run Pacheco up the middle. It's got to convert more often than all of the gadget crap.

I'd like to think our interior 3 and Pacheco could get a yard.

Did I miss where doctors told Reid that Pat’s kneecap is susceptible to going sideways?

It’s the new clock management where someone needs to step in and take it away from Andy

No way 2 different OCs are calling the most telegraphed play in the NFL

The QB sneak with Mahomes needs to come back.

The refusal to call it once four seasons after a freak injury is beyond ridiculous.

Don’t change anything when we get to third or second and short.

Just run your offense as you normally would and put the ball in the hands of the best player on the planet to make a play.

Then, WRs just need to catch the ****ing ball.

Fixed.

It's pretty simple. You need to run almost solely under center. You only need to run 1 of 3 plays. QB sneak, power run up the middle, or a play action pass. You could throw in a pitch if you want but you don't need to. They are making ot way to difficult. It's the easiest situation to gameplan for offensively.

Or just have Taylor false start and set up 3rd and 6.

Also fixed.

I kinda miss having a big fullback for those 3rd and 1 runs. Andy is appolgizing for how bad this looked. "It's unusual for the guys who dropped the ball to drop the ball"

Supposed to have the best interior offensive line in football… can’t get a yard just running Pacheco up the middle?

If you’re gonna put Belldozer under center why not just run the Philly scrum and push him across? Keep it simple. Fancy sure ain’t working.

Just have Gabbert or Bell do the QB sneak if you won’t allow Mahomes to do it. It’s much higher probability than the trickery.

It is far more likely to happen again to anyone who had the injury before. But Mahomes has all kinds of weird stuff with his knees every game, so you probably can’t let this injury probability impact your playcalling.

JUST LET MAHOMES DO IT

The injury risk is so microscopic that it boggles my mind that we refuse to go back to it.

Give the ball to Mahomes and let him figure out a way to get 1 yard.

Seems so crazy to turn so gimmicky to try and manufacture that yard instead. There's no evidence it's a better strategy.

I miss Jones.

Jet sweep to Nnadi

I don’t disagree, but if Reid refuses to do that, there are still way better options than fancy stuff.

Andy Reid is one of the most brilliant football minds that the world has ever known, which makes it that much more frustrating when we see stupid decisions like this in key moments.

Victim of his own success.

I trust him to make a play with his legs or arm more than I trust a defense to fall asleep on a trick play in a key situation

We need to talk about 2nd and 1 and 3rd and 1.
 

Our WRs being terrible and dropping everything seems a bit fluky. Those terrible play calls and CEH playing time are not and that’s what’s really scary.

Defenses have to be prepared for these cute bullshit plays on short yardage downs against the Chiefs, because it almost seems like we are afraid to run the plays that are like 90% successful in picking up the first down.

We could do better with a randomly selected play than our 3rd and short calls

I would rather just run a 3rd and 10 play on 3rd and 1 than do the shit we've been doing for a year in a half on short yardage.

So unusual that they dropped everything in preseason too

Every other team either QB sneaks and has 2 big ****ers shove him forward (while it's still legal) or they line up and let their halfback get the yard. And it's nearly impossible to stop. We have a highly paid offensive line and we play like pussies in those situations. "Snow globe" and every dancing and shifting around. Just line up and get a damn yard. Shouldn't be this hard.

Imagine being an OC when this gets called

I guess the goods heavily outweigh the your opinion doesn’t mean shit on 3rd/4th and short

I love Andy but I sense hubris with his play calling. Sometimes you just need short yards and it seems he wants it to be some unique play so people can talk about the creativity.

Put a couple linemen behind him

I still wonder why our vaunted big 3 in the middle can't ever get a push in those situations.

If Andy was coaching the Chiefs in the 90's, we'd be running jet sweeps with Danan Hughes instead of handing it off to Marcus Allen on the 1 yard line.

It's not like we need to run that particular play. We could do just fine without ever running a QB for the rest of Mahomes' career.

Just run it. Run a dive play. Run any sort of running play. Run a playaction pass from under center. Run an RPO. Whatever. Why does it need to be a trick play? Just get the yard.

Lol, yeah,and Allen wouldn't have put up with that shit. I bet Pat is pissed as hell about having the ball out of his hands so often tonight. He needs to have a come to Jesus with Andy and Nagy after tonight, and maybe ask Veach about his plans for the receiver room.

Rather than keep a 7th WR who spends his time dropping short passes and holding his helmet - maybe just keep 6 no-account WR's and add a mediocre fullback to 'get the job done' from time to time. C'mon Andy - you don't get bonus points in heaven for doing without a fullback.

This shit hasn’t changed from EB to Nagy so we definitely know it’s Andy calling these dumbshit plays… as if there was ever any doubt.

Only on Chiefsplanet do we think the answer is a fullback ROFL

Maybe if they’d let future HOF player Justyn Ross play they’d win

For a while they did exactly that. They had that big oaf at FB. Burton I think. And they ran him up the gut and he moved the chains. Until one time he didn't. Then they just gave up on it altogether.

LMAO

No Burton wasn't good either. He had 5 attempts for 7 yards and only got 2 first downs on those attempts. His longest run was 6 yards so that means he gained a quarter of a yard on each of his remaining carries LMAO

Sigh

Bad play calling doesn't lead to a SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONSHIP.

We have a 3rd and 1 problem. WBF.

3rd and 1
 

Is our kryptonite, and has been for awhile now. We need to fix this shit. It's maddening.

EDIT - sorry didn't see the other thread. Mods, plz delete or merge. Sorry about that.

We continue the kick the ball when we should be going for it

This is how it will always be with Andy and we're just going to have to be okay with that.

Confuse the **** out of them by putting on our FG unit at 2nd and 1, then do a trick play and have Butker throw to Townsend.

I am not ok with it but it's whatever at this point

Fade route to Ross > Belldozer fake sneak

Right? I feel the same way (so much so that I accidentally started a thread about it before I saw this one).

3rd and 1 on offense and 3rd and long on defense. Same shit, different year. Defense played great tonight, but I hate their scheme on third and long. Short yardage offense just sucks ass. We need to jam Andy's radio transmissions on third and short and let Mahomes call his own plays.

Yeah we are always going to do it with Andy. I've just learned to live with it. If I try to cite probabilities people just get mad and say do you think you know more than Andy Reid!?!?

For example, when we kicked it instead of going for it on the 4th and 2 our win probability actually went DOWN 2%.

I'm more curious as to why we feel it necessary to go for 4th and 25 in our own territory when the clock is still north of the two minute warning and we have all of our timeouts.

Never before has going for it on 4th down seemed more like waving a white flag

Short yardage reminded me of the 2017 playoff game versus Titans second half.

Nagy called shitty plays that did not work then and same damn thing today.

Poor coaching just like the calls on 3rd and one

Took my answer

Either way you are ****ed. You punt or you go for it. You are screwed. With any other team you probably just punt and pray but Mahomes is the best QB in the history of the league on 4th and long.

who do we even play next week?

No Kadarius. We have a bye week for the next 17 weeks. Enjoy your rest.

Obviously we were cooked by that point, but the only explanation would be that Andy knew his defense was spent and would just get steamrolled. Probably felt his best bet was something like... the ball that Toney dropped

I’m so desperate to put an end to the overly complicated sideways moving plays I’m even willing to accept they let CEH run the ball.

It's seemingly become a mental hurdle for the offense collectively as well.

When Andy feels the need to approach a 3rd and 1 with some ridiculous trick play, it makes it a WAY more stressful/suspenseful play than it should be.

Instead just get to the line quickly, run up the middle with Pacheco and let your interior offensive line help get you the one yard... preferably before the defense is able to completely get set.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just run a ****ing sneak with Mahomes. Why are they still doing these plays.</p>&mdash; Geoff Schwartz (@geoffschwartz) <a href="https://twitter.com/geoffschwartz/status/1699982350250115578?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 8, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Maybe get a running back that can run the ball up the

If Pacheco can't do it we have a run block or a scheme problem.

I think I'd chalk it up to the latter at this point.

Apparently me and Geoff Schwartz have no idea what we are talking about.

I feel like trying to run that kind of gadget/trick from a really condensed formation will just never work?

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

Really? Was it bad when the confetti was falling in Feb.

Too much gimmick bullshit on short yardage plays makes no sense to me.

Even worse was the goal line razzle dazzle play from like the 2.

Get his ass RD!!!!

I think I gave thumbs up to nearly every post in this thread.

Damn near universal consensus.

We should pretend it's 3rd and 17.

Gotta believe when they have Mahomes lined up in shotgun on 3rd and one, he's thinking I can't believe we're running this shit again.