Optimism Toney could play week 1
 

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Can <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/chiefs?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#chiefs</a> WR Kadarius Toney, who has missed all of training camp with a partially torn meniscus, actually play Week 1 vs the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/lions?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#lions</a>? There’s some optimism. My report <a href="https://twitter.com/NFLTotalAccess?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@nfltotalaccess</a> on <a href="https://twitter.com/nflnetwork?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@nflnetwork</a> <a href="https://t.co/ycpCcr4nS5">pic.twitter.com/ycpCcr4nS5</a></p>&mdash; James Palmer (@JamesPalmerTV) <a href="https://twitter.com/JamesPalmerTV/status/1696303618675150865?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 28, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

As long as he's playing week 2 of the playoffs (we obviously got the bye, duh) there shouldn't be a problem.

Don't rush him

Eh....this ain't the NBA guys. The regular season matters alot.

If he's ready to play, throw him out there.

You just can't rely on this guy for anything

It's kinda my thinking for playing him when you can.

He's probably eventually getting hurt again. Play him when he's healthy and go from there.

Exactly. We are now in the week to week, will he play BS that comes along with Toney. This is what was always going to happen. Its part of the deal. He's a brokedick game changer. You just have to put up with this part of having him on your team. Glad the Chiefs have other weapons. They need to in order for th "Toney Effect" to work out.

Really hate that it’s looking like we might limp into week 1 without Toney, Sneed and Chris Jones. Those guys are all huge pieces at premium positions.

No no no, we have Mahomes. We'll be fine.

None of them will change the line, don't worry about it.

It’s just a meniscus, bro had plenty of recovery time.

Can he play in both week 1 and week 2?

Toney is a cherry on top. Not a focal piece.

If he's there playing on any given day, then terrific.

If he's not, then oh well. We've planned our team to move on in any absences he might have.

I didn't care for the "he's our #1 guy and a #1 WR" talk this offseason.

Not because of ability but shit, you gotta be there. Luckily, we look to have a really nice WR core.

That'sreally the best way to look at it. That's why when I heard all this talk in the off season about how the Chiefs were going to depend on him alot, I took it with a grain of salt. That thinking was tempered the very first punt return of training camp.

Yeah, pretty much see him as I saw Sammy Watkins, but without the massive salary.

His running style would seem to put those tendons to the test.

Optimism Toney good for one play week 1

Yeah we suddenly have a nice bit of talent in the WR room to the point where his absence won't be too noticeable. Pretty lucky stuff.

But it will probably score a TD.

Though, shit, if he is healthy and good to go, our offense could be just real real nice.

The "easiest" part of our schedule is the beginning. Everyone is healthy, Patrick and Reid are almost unbeatable in September, and outside of the Jags the other teams don't really send shivers down the spine. No need to rush it, lets take our time with this one. Let Patrick carry you, he's done it a time or two in his career.

The meniscus is cartilage not a tendon.

For some reason, I can see some speed bumps early...no Jones? Sneed? Toney? Many young players- I can envision some frustrating moments and a disappointing loss or two

It literally doesn’t matter if he plays or not when we have Justyn Ross

Not even remotely the same type of player.

You can't. And it sucks real bad. After missing out on Hopkins there was some hope that Toney could be the guy. Well he did what most of us thought he would, got hurt 48 hours into training camp. Now here we sit, banking on a rookie(Rice) and a guy that might as well be considered one(Ross) I really hope Sky and MVS are ready to kill it this year.

Yeah im fully prepared for it. Some early growing pains and then hit their stride when it matters most.

Even if Toney plays, they'll give him what, 10 snaps?

Dude hasn't practiced or played. Even if he's cleared to play it's hard to imagine him playing much.

Exactly. Ross is a sure fire Hall of Famer, Toney is not.

Lions were one of the best teams in the league for the 2nd half of 2022 regular season. They won 8 of 10 games down the stretch. We’ll see if that carries over to this game in KC next week.

True, but after endless battles with Burrow and Allen you are scared of Goof?

Just spit-balling, but my guess is that Toney won't play Weeks 1/2, even if he's cleared to play. Andy's going to want to see him in practice, going through full practices, going near full-speed for at least a few days in a row before he puts Toney on the field. I could see him back in time for the CHI game in preparation for the NYG game, when we'd actually need him to be 100% rtg.

Scared? Nope. Figure it will be a close game though.

I agree. You need him now way more than you might need him later. It’s a lot to ask skyy, rashee or rice to step into a wr1 role right away. Play him now but gather info with live reps to figure out who is best suited to step in for him if he ends up getting hurt. It’ll be a way more informed decision and by then sub will have grown in confidence and experience.

You mother****er. You tell me this and then I see you’re in another thread posting Tweets about how shitty our defenses EPA is without Chris Jones!

I was being facetious

He could play, but probably shouldn't.

Toney is always one insane looking cut away from a strain or tear on something in his legs. His cuts are absolutely vicious, and explosive, but the body just isn't meant to flex like that.

Don't forget Omenihu won't b available until Week 7 either.

Not that I think the sky is falling. But the defense might be a little rocky for the first 8-9 weeks while Spags figures out how to generate pressure upfront without CJ and Omenihu.

Made even closer now without Toney, CJ, Omenihu, and Sneed.

why are you even here there's no hope for a super bowl unless the great savior descends from heaven to play 70% of the snaps

Optimism Toney...possible nickname?
He really is kind of a glass half full / half empty type of guy.
Exciting when the glass is half full; unavailable when its half empty.

Can we not rush him back please

"Young Broka"

Does it actually matter?

I mean, he's only been with the team for less than a calendar year. We can still hope that he can flip the script on his injury history this season. i wouldn't bet any money on it, but it is possible.

We can afford to let Toney get to 100%. This isn’t your Hardman/Deiter/Robinson WR group. This a very deep and talented WR group that can dominate without Toney. No need to rush.

Best OL in football
HOF Kelce
Pacheco
Jet
Rice
Ross
Skyy
James
MVS

That’s a ton of firepower WITHOUT Toney.

Let the knee get to 100% and even then, limit his snap counts while he works with Pats trainer on flex

He's gonna be questionable about every week, we'll just get what we get from him and look for the whole group to contribute. This isn't Dieter and Kemp

Even if K Toney doesn't ever play another down for the Chiefs that was a well worth it trade.

He's on double secret unknown injury status.
Will other teams have to prep for him or not?

At this point I don’t know that he’ll ever be reliable enough that we can shelve him to get him healthier. Seems like even if we wait he’ll be at high risk of injury still. While we need him later in the season for critical games, we may need him most early in the season because of our inexperience. You would hope that a few weeks in we have a better idea of who can take the mantle as our WR1. But for now it feels like we’d be elevating roles for guys who aren’t just ready yet.

He needs to train with Mike O'hearn. O'hearn emphasizes strengthening joints, tendons and ligaments then muscle mass.

It's interesting that some players seem to be made of glass, and others who play the same position and appear to have similar physiques stay relatively healthy. Genetics and luck, I suppose.

Training and nutrition is a huge part as well.

Chiefs’ HC Andy Reid told reporters that Kadarius Toney, who missed much of camp with a lingering knee injury, is “good to go” for Week 1 vs. the Lions.

— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) September 3, 2023

Sweeeeeet……

Awesome and much needed good news.

He also specializes in scam duck eggs and being a fake natty

I have absolutely zero faith in this guys health consistency. Sammy Watkins part II electric boogaloo.

Just in time. We're going to need him in a big way vs. DET.

I just finished my first season of Madden 24 and Toney stayed healthy, had 1,700+ yards, and won Superbowl MVP. Seems like that's what we should expect.

Still takes a lot of work.

No GDT yet?

KEEP ****ING DOUBTING KADARIOUS TONEY MOTHER ****ERS

He'll be on a snap count.:thumb:

I've got guarded optimism for Toney. This is basically Sammy Watkins all over again. He can be a difference maker. But can he stay healthy? Watkins couldn't. Hopefully Toney can

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Might as well break him now and maybe he’ll be back in time for the playoffs

I will. He's the 4th or 5th best WR on our roster.

HBF
WBF
LFG

There is no glory in trying to make each post you make dumber than the previous.

Your football takes are top 5 in most ignorant takes on CP.

It’s like DeBerg but not trolling

Why do people think Toney is significantly better than any other WR on the roster? He's hurt all the time for one and also he has struggled to perform any better than anyone else. I get he's a shiny new toy and he has viscous cutbacks but that doesn't mean he's the best WR on the team.

If we compare him to Richie James with the NYG to the Toney NYG we see the following:
James 70 targets, 569 yards, 4 TDs, 33.5 yards a game
Toney 60 targets, 420 yards, 0 TDs, 35 yards a game. Even with the Chiefs...7 games, 171 yards

James seems to be a better player at this point because he's more reliable and his advanced stats on getting 3rd downs are much better.

Skyy has been in the offense longer and has shown he can get good separation.

Rice is running back type YAC skills, younger and seemed productive in the preseason.

MVS is a deep threat and maybe not a well rounded WR but we know what he is and he's shown he can make big plays in big games.

Justyn Ross pops off the screen. Plus he's taller and a legitimate goalline threat.

There is an argument that Toney will be WR6 ahead of Justin Watson by the time the season is all said and done.

He’s a physical freak/end

Well, Rice is more of a freak. Not injured. Has not shown to be a locker room cancer like Toney was in NYG.

Rice has superior RAS score. Toney certainly has potential but he's a 3rd year NFL WR now. I think Rice and Ross could easily jump him. Plus Richie James was the most reliable WR in the NFL last year by catch rate over expected and also has amazing 3rd down WR numbers. He could become Mahomes comfort blanket.

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Who let you out of DC?

If you can’t watch Toney play live and see his talent jump off the screen, nobody can help you.

Dude is one of the most talented players in the league.

Unfortunately, he’s Percy Harvin.

Toney had some cartilage in his knee cleaned up, he isn't "injured". This has nothing to do with his hamstring issues. Its not in the same ballpark. If he had a tendon issue it would be another story.

Not sure why you're using tgts/recs, but whatever.

If we go by his availability, sure he's had injury issues, and that has dimmed his value as a WR.

However, as to why I think he's the best WR in the room, well that's easy.

He can consistently beat DB1s.

He's gone 1v1 with Trevon Diggs (NYG), and won, off the LoS, with Diggs going full press, multiple times. ditto Anthony Brown (ranked top-10 in 2021). He smoked Justin Simmons (ranked 10th among all S in 2022).

And so on.

he obviously has the best releases of any of our WRs, beats the jam consistently against the best DBs in the league, gets YAC when there isn't any room, he's very hard to tackle, and maybe most importantly:

DBs fear him.

And then as a gadget guy, no one else on the team looks as much like Hardman on jet sweeps or screens.


So, my contention, is that when healthy, Toney is the most complete WR in the room, the most versatile, and the most dangerous. He's the guy that DCs are going to plan for, the guy that they're going to ask, "where is 19?" before every snap, the guy that can change field position, even the course of a game.

Now, you're not going to believe me, of course, so here's a little visual evidence:
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Toney hasn't been asked to do a lot of just line up and go, yet, so most of these are gadget type plays, but there's a few traditional routes in here:
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I think you’re downplaying the meniscus thing. The way he cuts so violently coupled with his meniscus issue is a big cause for concern for his long term durability. Im of the opinion that KC will have him through his 5th year option year at max then let’s him walk or trades him.