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DenverChief 03-20-2023 09:23 AM

Interesting Take on the OBJ to Cincy, Odell and DHop situations
 
Guy has some really good points - I enjoy his takes.

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MahomesMagic 03-20-2023 09:27 AM

Can you summarize?

It's 16 minutes long.

staylor26 03-20-2023 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 16865678)
Can you summarize?

It's 16 minutes long.

"The end of the road" in the thumbnail reeks of clickbait.

DenverChief 03-20-2023 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 16865678)
Can you summarize?

It's 16 minutes long.

OBJ is a really good buisnessman - the contract he took, with Cincy, while less than what KC gave Jawaan was front loaded with the last 2 years option years. He could cancel his last 2 years at the age of 28 and go for the big bucks on a third contract.

Jawaan has a worse overall PFF grade for his position compared to OBJ. Doesn't think KC is done with OL and is still going to pursue another LT. Talks about Tunsil still.

Jawaan 2022 - 58.7
Jawaan 2021 - 60.4
Jawaan 2020 - 56.5
Jawaan 2019 - 63.7

OBJ 2022 - 75.8
OBJ 2021 - 75.4
OBJ 2020 - 76.5
OBJ 2019 - 72.0

He mentions PFF isn't the greatest metric but that when trying to grade OL its the best there is.

Chiefs trying to "plan something bigger" with all these "cap saving" moves. Mentions OBJ and DHop as realistic possibilities (talks about WR's "Blowing up" Patricks phone)

The Franchise 03-20-2023 09:44 AM

So nothing really new that hasn't already been said?

Warpaint69 03-20-2023 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16865709)
So nothing really new that hasn't already been said?

Nope. Just another dudes opinion on youtube

DenverChief 03-20-2023 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16865709)
So nothing really new that hasn't already been said?

I'm sorry I don't read all 1000 pages of a megathread to glean this information. Some of us actually have lives off the internet and enjoy a 16 minute video over hours of reading (mostly) meaningless posts.


you're welcome

DenverChief 03-20-2023 09:50 AM

also

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The Franchise 03-20-2023 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 16865718)
I'm sorry I don't read all 1000 pages of a megathread to glean this information. Some of us actually have lives off the internet and enjoy a 16 minute video over hours of reading (mostly) meaningless posts.


you're welcome

Did I crawl up your ass about posting it? Nope. All I said was that what he's said has already been talked about.

And I'm assuming he filmed this before Tunsil signed his new deal because yeah...the Chiefs are probably done at LT now that they have Taylor.

DenverChief 03-20-2023 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16865727)
Did I crawl up your ass about posting it? Nope. All I said was that what he's said has already been talked about.

And I'm assuming he filmed this before Tunsil signed his new deal because yeah...the Chiefs are probably done at LT now that they have Taylor.

I'm just being sensitve this morning - nevermind me - he posted it yesterday and while I haven't studied the contract Tunisl got it isn't out the ordinary for a team to extend/restructure a guy before trading him.

The Franchise 03-20-2023 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 16865731)
I'm just being sensitve this morning - nevermind me - he posted it yesterday and while I haven't studied the contract Tunisl got it isn't out the ordinary for a team to extend/restructure a guy before trading him.

It would be extremely out of the ordinary to trade him now. Trading him would mean they lose cap space ($20 million this year alone). Tunsil to KC is dead.

L.A. Chieffan 03-20-2023 09:56 AM

PFF sucks for the 1 millionth time. And it's not the the best metric there is lol

LoneWolf 03-20-2023 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 16865698)
OBJ is a really good buisnessman - the contract he took, with Cincy, while less than what KC gave Jawaan was front loaded with the last 2 years option years. He could cancel his last 2 years at the age of 28 and go for the big bucks on a third contract.

Jawaan has a worse overall PFF grade for his position compared to OBJ. Doesn't think KC is done with OL and is still going to pursue another LT. Talks about Tunsil still.

Jawaan 2022 - 58.7
Jawaan 2021 - 60.4
Jawaan 2020 - 56.5
Jawaan 2019 - 63.7

OBJ 2022 - 75.8
OBJ 2021 - 75.4
OBJ 2020 - 76.5
OBJ 2019 - 72.0

He mentions PFF isn't the greatest metric but that when trying to grade OL its the best there is.

Chiefs trying to "plan something bigger" with all these "cap saving" moves. Mentions OBJ and DHop as realistic possibilities (talks about WR's "Blowing up" Patricks phone)

Oh awesome, another YouTube dipshit puking up all the shit that has already been discussed ad nauseum. And not only that it's another dipshit that uses PFF grades for offensive lineman.

Jawaan Taylor is a better athlete that OBJ and a better pass blocker. He is better suited for the Chiefs' offense than OBJ was. If OBJ was actually a "really good businessman" he would have took the deal KC offered him last offseason. After OBJ looks average at LT blocking for Joe Burrow, he's going to either finally have to move to RT to continue to get paid a starters salary.

DenverChief 03-20-2023 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by L.A. Chieffan (Post 16865741)
PFF sucks for the 1 millionth time. And it's not the the best metric there is lol

For Offensive Linemen? I'm all ears on what other metric there is?

DenverChief 03-20-2023 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16865737)
It would be extremely out of the ordinary to trade him now. Trading him would mean they lose cap space ($20 million this year alone). Tunsil to KC is dead.

And that's fair - obviously a huge cap hit would be a massive deal breaker

JohnnyHammersticks 03-20-2023 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic (Post 16865678)
Can you summarize?

It's 16 minutes long.

First ~2½ mins unrelated to Chiefs, talks about some gambling club or something, I skimmed over it.

Bases his entire opinion on Brown and Taylor on PFF grades. Immediately acknowledges PFF's shortcomings, but says it's the only thing out there to rate o-linemen. No tape of Taylor showing the wide gap in terms of athleticism, but acknowledges that OBJr had one of the worst combine showings ever and backs it up with his combine tape.

His conclusion is that losing OBJr could have more of an impact then losing Tyreek because according to him, keeping Mahomes upright is more important. Says this swap of OTs is okay if Taylor plays RT, not okay if he plays LT. Didn't seem to indicate that he had really watched Taylor play or studied any tape of him to reach these conclusions, based his opinion on PFF's grades.

Thinks the Chiefs won't go into next season with MVS and Justyn Ross as their top WRs. Didn't mention Toney or Moore.

L.A. Chieffan 03-20-2023 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 16865762)
For Offensive Linemen? I'm all ears on what other metric there is?

Let me ask you this. How did Taylor obtain a 58.7 and Brown obtain a 75.8?

The Franchise 03-20-2023 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyHammersticks (Post 16865778)
First ~2½ mins unrelated to Chiefs, talks about some gambling club or something, I skimmed over it.

Bases his entire opinion on Brown and Taylor on PFF grades. Immediately acknowledges PFF's shortcomings, but says it's the only thing out there to rate o-linemen. No tape of Taylor showing the wide gap in terms of athleticism, but acknowledges that OBJr had one of the worst combine showings ever and backs it up with his combine tape.

His conclusion is that losing OBJr could have more of an impact then losing Tyreek because according to him, keeping Mahomes upright is more important. Says this swap of OTs is okay if Taylor plays RT, not okay if he plays LT. Didn't seem to indicate that he had really watched Taylor play or studied any tape of him to reach these conclusions, based his opinion on PFF's grades.

Thinks the Chiefs won't go into next season with MVS and Justyn Ross as their top WRs. Didn't mention Toney or Moore.

What in the actual ****? This dude is an idiot then.

DenverChief 03-20-2023 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by L.A. Chieffan (Post 16865781)
Let me ask you this. How did Taylor obtain a 58.7 and Brown obtain a 75.8?

PFF pixie dust - I don't claim to understand how PFF works.

DenverChief 03-20-2023 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16865785)
What in the actual ****? This dude is an idiot then.

You don't think Mahomes having a solid O-Line is key? Especially after watching the Bucs/Chiefs SB?

The Franchise 03-20-2023 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 16865810)
You don't think Mahomes having a solid O-Line is key? Especially after watching the Bucs/Chiefs SB?

Dude....the guy literally said that Taylor isn't a LT but is purely basing that off of PFF grades and not watching him play. Then goes on to say that our top WRs are MVS and Justyn ****ing Ross. This dude is an idiot.

DenverChief 03-20-2023 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16865812)
Dude....the guy literally said that Taylor isn't a LT but is purely basing that off of PFF grades and not watching him play. Then goes on to say that our top WRs are MVS and Justyn ****ing Ross. This dude is an idiot.

I think he was being sarcastic about the WR's - but IDK - I have watched a few of his videos and thats kinda his MO. But aren't PFF grades based upon someone studying film?

The Franchise 03-20-2023 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 16865823)
I think he was being sarcastic about the WR's - but IDK - I have watched a few of his videos and thats kinda his MO. But aren't PFF grades based upon someone studying film?

https://www.pff.com/news/pro-how-we-...ensive-linemen

stumppy 03-20-2023 10:32 AM

3 minutes in and he starts his off by bringing up Mahomes brother and his wife.

Pass, looks like he's all about the clicks.

L.A. Chieffan 03-20-2023 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16865829)

Brutal. That article reads like it's from the Onion. Pixie dust indeed

chiefzilla1501 03-20-2023 10:33 AM

Btw, when it comes to DHop, wouldn’t that move happen after June 1? Isn’t that when a deal becomes advantageous to Arizona?

JohnnyHammersticks 03-20-2023 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 16865823)
I think he was being sarcastic about the WR's - but IDK - I have watched a few of his videos and thats kinda his MO. But aren't PFF grades based upon someone studying film?

First of all, I enjoyed it because I enjoy listening to almost anyone other than Skippy talk about our favorite team. So I'm in no way busting balls.

Theoretically yes, PFF grades are based upon someone studying film. However this guy didn't seem to indicate that he knew much about Taylor other than his PFF grades, which was likely the case for a lot of people when these deals went down. IMO he would've had a much more favorable opinion of Taylor if he had seen the difference in athleticism that would've come from watching some tape on the guy. He knows OBJr's athleticism isn't good, but didn't acknowledge the difference in said athleticism between Brown and Taylor.

dlphg9 03-20-2023 10:36 AM

Umm wtf was the point of this and who the **** cares what this random ass dude on YouTube has to say?

Warpaint69 03-20-2023 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyHammersticks (Post 16865855)
First of all, I enjoyed it because I enjoy listening to almost anyone other than Skippy talk about our favorite team. So I'm in no way busting balls.

Theoretically yes, PFF grades are based upon someone studying film. However this guy didn't seem to indicate that he knew much about Taylor other than his PFF grades, which was likely the case for a lot of people when these deals went down. IMO he would've had a much more favorable opinion of Taylor if he had seen the difference in athleticism that would've come from watching some tape on the guy. He knows OBJr's athleticism isn't good, but didn't acknowledge the difference in said athleticism between Brown and Taylor.

Which is just pure laziness when putting out content. It would take all of a few seconds of watching both players film to identify the differences in the ability and approach to playing the tackle position.

DenverChief 03-20-2023 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 16865854)
Btw, when it comes to DHop, wouldn’t that move happen after June 1? Isn’t that when a deal becomes advantageous to Arizona?

Good Question

JohnnyHammersticks 03-20-2023 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlphg9 (Post 16865864)
Umm wtf was the point of this and who the **** cares what this random ass dude on YouTube has to say?

Now go look in the mirror and ask yourself, was that Youtube video/this thread really worth two f-bombs? Was it really that bad, or are you just blowing off some steam from some other area of your life that may not currently be going the way you want it to?

Just trying to help you understand why - in your words - you're not liked by many around here.

dlphg9 03-20-2023 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyHammersticks (Post 16866070)
Now go look in the mirror and ask yourself, was that Youtube video/this thread really worth two f-bombs? Was it really that bad, or are you just blowing off some steam from some other area of your life that may not currently be going the way you want it to?

Just trying to help you understand why - in your words - you're not liked by many around here.

Just how I talk lol. If people can't handle it, then that is their problem.

KCJake 03-20-2023 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by L.A. Chieffan (Post 16865741)
PFF sucks for the 1 millionth time. And it's not the the best metric there is lol

When Brown blocks someone shitty he's solid
When Brown blocks someone good he sucks

There's your metric

Pitt Gorilla 03-20-2023 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DenverChief (Post 16865731)
I'm just being sensitve this morning - nevermind me - he posted it yesterday and while I haven't studied the contract Tunisl got it isn't out the ordinary for a team to extend/restructure a guy before trading him.

That would be extremely out of the ordinary. Why would the Texans do that?


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