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First Round Targets
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Anton Harrison, OT, Oklahoma Darnell Wright, Tennessee WR: Quentin Johnston, TCU Jalin Hyatt, Tennessee Jordan Addison, USC Zay Flowers, Boston College EDGE: Keion White, Georgia Tech Felix Anudike-Uzomah, Kansas St. Will McDonald IV, Iowa St. B.J. Ojulari, LSU DT: Mazi Smith, Michigan As it stands right now, feel pretty confident that our first round pick will be one of these guys. |
Can you imagine this monster next to Trey Smith?
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Yall are forgetting Veach doesn't like drafting older players. I don't see Keion White being high on our board since he's already 24.
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https://i.imgur.com/GS4dNAC.jpg Might fit our offense and what we ask out of our LTs better, but I'm fine with either. I'll be very interested in the LTs during the combine in a week or 2.... |
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I'm curious, what's the age of the oldest player Veach has drafted so far? |
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I'm almost positive that he's gonna be a star of the combine and outright leaping Paris while maybe even pushing Stokanski for #1 guy after pro days. His profile seems to match what we ask our guys to do. With the pass becoming a bigger and bigger component, he's primed to go high. He's a more natural fit then OBJ and is going to be WAY cheaper. |
If they bring back OBJ...then the need to draft a LT isn't high. Sure you could grab a RT at the end of the 1st round but you can also move that down to the 2nd round if you need to spend that 1st round pick on a WR or DE.
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Get the kid from BYU in the 2nd and develop him |
Anton Harrison is the name that stood out to me at first that should be on the list. I'd probably also add Bryan Breese and Tuli Tuipulotu to the list as well, and others might be in favor of adding Andre Carter. Tuli can play the edge, rumor is Carter didn't look to good at the Sr Bowl so he's been dropping into the 2nd, and Breese falls in like 1/4th of recent mocks.
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Yea, this list will change based on what happens with certain guys like OBJ, but even if they re-sign him, I think Wright and Jones will remain because they could just be BPA, and they're plug and play at RT.
I do agree that I'd prefer EDGE or WR in that scenario though. |
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Tuipulotu is another guy like Harrison that just missed the cut, but only because I don't know if he's a RDE in this system. Love the prospect though. |
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My preferred situation is to take the best front 7 player on the board in the first, the best WR in the 2nd and trade our 3rd that would be conditional to the Commanders for Chase Young. |
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I'd also be very happy with that first scenario. Wright and Ojulari/Hall would be fantastic. Then you can double dip at WR. |
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Having Young/Ojulari paired with Karlaftis would be really fun. |
The tight end from ND has to be on here simply because if he's there you have to take him from a BPA spot right?
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I like the TE's behind Kelce alot, but yeah if you can add that it seems like a no brainer.
I'm kinda wondering if they end up going with Niang at RT. |
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If they think Niang is the guy at RT, and they're comfortable with Tega-Wanogho backing him up, that would really open things up. That's a perfect example of something that would allow the Chiefs to take Mayer. |
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That said, Chase Young was a force of nature 1 yr ago...we're not getting him for conditional 3rd and a fourth. Unless that condition is we trade them multiple 1sts if he plays like we all know he could. They have no reason to cut bait on the guy who was probably their most popular player as well as 1 of the best defenders in the league as a rookie this quickly. Players come back from his injury nowadays. Payne, is the guy on the (former) Skins that we can get. He's a FA and they have a couple guys on that line that need to get paid-like Chase. We can probably get Payne if we want, though I'd just pay Jones and find a bigger guy like Payne in the draft. It was mentioned earlier but I'd love to have Andre Carter in here at edge. Military so we know he's got discipline and he's got some athletic ability and size. Give me him and Harrison and I don't really care what else we get in the draft quite frankly. |
Picked this up from a mock draft. Would you do this trade up and pick?
Kansas City Chiefs (from TB)* | TCU WR Quentin Johnston After watching this year’s top corners come off the board ahead of them, the Bucs could be willing to bail from this pick. With no receivers gone yet, the Chiefs deal their second-round pick to jump up from the last pick in the first round for Johnston, who has the traits to be a superstar in this explosive offense with Patrick Mahomes. |
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Dawand Jones is a downgraded version of Orlando Jones. You likely don't want the exact same tackle with the exact same weakness on both sides. Aside from the fact that, Brown excepted, he just isn't the kind of tackle Reid/Bienemy have ever wanted. Van Ness should be a good enough player in the league, but he's basically a downgraded version of Karlaftis. We already have that guy; what the Chiefs need is a pure athletic rusher, even if that means you give up a bit on the "Spags DE" purity. You need a guy who can threaten tackles' outside shoulders every single snap, and the other guys on your list have that ability. Edit: sorry for the font coloring, clearly didn't work on all the colors lol |
Who I think the Chiefs are targeting right now, at #31 (with some flexibility to trade up if they want):
WR Jordan Addison, USC (trade up?) WR Kayshon Boutte, LSU WR Rashee Rice, SMU WR Tyler Scott, Cincinnati OT Broderick Jones, Georgia (trade up?) OT Anton Harrison, Oklahoma (trade up?) OT Darnell Wright, Tennessee DT Gervon Dexter, Florida DT Calijah Kancey, Pittsburgh (if Jones is not extended) DE Andre Carter II, Army DE BJ Ojulari, LSU S Antonio Johnson, Texas A&M Arranged in order of the Chiefs' preference, if I had to guess: 1. WR Jordan Addison, USC 2. OT Broderick Jones, Georgia 3. OT Anton Harrison, Oklahoma 4. DE Andre Carter II, Army 5. WR Kayshon Boutte, LSU 6. WR Tyler Scott, Cincinnati 7. DE BJ Ojulari, LSU 8. WR Rashee Rice, SMU 9. S Antonio Johnson, Texas A&M 10. OT Darnell Wright, Tennessee 11. DT Gervon Dexter, Florida Depends on Chris Jones: DT Calijah Kancey, Pittsburgh |
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You draft a dude 2nd overall and he blows up, then has an injury and you cut bait and he blows back up? Disaster. Skins are also in the process of selling. They someone to be the face of that team. Carson Wentz ain't selling jerseys. |
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Would go big and trade up for Addison. Set us up multiple cheap years with him as a no.1 WR if he is what we think he is Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
The Chiefs desperately need an edge rusher opposite of Karlaftis that is team controlled for the next 8 years (rookie contract, 5th year option, 3 franchise tags). A guy like Ojulari is intriguing.
I doubt any of the top 3 receivers will be available at the end of the round. I am against the idea of trading for one. I don't like drating an O lineman this early unless it's a must have prospect. We can easily tag Orlando and give Wiley a two year extension. Edge is an essential need and why pay for one in free agency when we can repeat what we did in last year's draft? Frank is a fill-in at this point. Can't rely on him for the entirety of a season. Shoring up the defensive line should be top priority. Draft the best DT if he is there. |
hmmm starting to wonder if we don't go WR, I don't love any of the edge rushers this year at our spot bc they're not fast or bendy enough, and there's enough talent at the WR position that it looks like a quality option will be there for us at 31... One less pick and QBs at the top of he draft pushing WR talent down further.
1. Jalin Hyatt, Tennessee 2. Jordan Addison, USC 3. Jaxon Smith-Njigba, Ohio St. 4. Zay Flowers, Boston College 5. 5th option depends on who you ask: Dell, Downs, Boute, etc... |
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I saw a mock today which had us picking a TE in Luke Musgrave.
I hadn't considered it before but it actually makes a bit of sense given how much we are using 2 or 3 tight end sets. If it is a more pass catching TE it also fills the gap at WR to an extent too. The thought of having 2 elite TEs along with Toney and Skyy Moore in the red zone is a very exciting prospect. I still think OT and DE are more needed but just thought it was an interesting thought. |
After much study and thought, I'm going to be really bullish about us not having a chance at either Johnston or Hyatt.
And you're going to have to also count on the fact that the highest we can get with this and next year's first is 16. And that might be overvaluing next year's pick slightly. The real spot might be 18. It really depends on how willing a team is just to acquire more draft capital. I just don't think we can get there without it costing a fortune that I just don't think is worth spending for this team. And that's what I think you'll have to do to net those guys. Now, if there's a guy there at 21 or later that you want then I think you can get there with a future 2nd and this year's 4th. I don't think Johnston and Hyatt are those guys. Are you willing to chance Jaxon Smith-Njigba at that point? I'm not willing to go up for Addison over just taking Tyler Scott myself. I think the focus should be on options we can get that can provide a similar impact. I'm fully on board with moving up substantially in the 2nd round by using a future 2nd. You might be able to get as high as 43 but probably no less than 48. Either way, if you go with the flashy option in round 1 you still need to address RT, DE, and DT in this draft. You can't do that well if you start moving picks in this year's draft on day 2 to go get the flashy option; and, mortgaging future 1's eventually comes back to bite you in the ass. |
Yeah, I'm not trading up. If anyone wants to come up for a QB in the frist for the 5th year, I'd gladly go down a few spots for an extra 3rd.
They need to just keep piling on talent. |
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It's a very real possibility that they go get one (unless OBJ contract talks fall through). Keep in mind, whether we have 11 or 12 picks, the Chiefs simply don't have 11 or 12 roster spots open. They're going to package and move up, probably more than once. With that in mind, I'd desperately love for the Chiefs to go get a passrusher. But this is Veach. And Veach is legit amazing, but he cares about one thing and one thing only: how can I surround Mahomes with the most talent possible. |
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I kinda feel the same way about DE. But similar to you I think we COULD gain value moving up in the 2nd. I think 31 and a higher 2nd maybe doesn't get you blue chip guys, but it should get you a DE and WR with particular skillsets we need, and who can therefore make an impact early. |
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Under Andy Reid, he's a Pro Bowler by Year 3, and maybe sooner. |
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He's like 5'10" or 5'11" and 180-185 so I don't think so. No smaller than Jaylen Waddle, Marquise Brown, or Jahan Dotson and they all went round 1. He also played outside alot for Cincy. Are you thinking of Tank Dell? |
Tyler Scott looks like a toothpick. I need my receiver to have a thick frame, a bulky guy who doesn't break down during a long season.
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Well, I mean, I don't know because some of these guys are anywhere from first rounders to fourth rounders depending on the mock.
I mean, what the hell. I have no idea what to think. I imagine after the combine this will settle down? |
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I just have a hard time putting Scott ahead of a guy like Josh Downs who was more productive in back to back seasons playing against tougher competition. I think Downs will test similarly to Scott speed wise as well, Downs has some great contested catches on tape also. I don't hate Scott but I would loathe that pick at 31. |
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I know I'm like the only big Dell fan on CP, but his film is better than all of those guys :shrug:
Size is truly the only issue there, but if he were just the same size as those guys, he'd be a lock in the 1st. |
This draft is considered fairly limited in talent and we have 11-12 picks. I think Veach pkgs pick to move up in the 1st or 2nd to get his guys.
Would be a lot of fun if that guy was Q Johnston or J Hyatt in my opinion, but not sure what it would take. |
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That doesn't mean that the talent level isn't about the same once you get outside of the top 15-20 picks. But I can definitely see Veach using picks to move around, because I don't think this team needs quantity as much this season as it does quality. If Veach can just find 3-4 guys like last year's class, we're ****ing golden. |
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I agree with the sentiment though. |
I'm praying one of these guys falls, I'd have a hard time picking someone else if one did.
DT Byran Breese WR Quinton Johnston WR Jordan Addison WR Jalin Hyatt OT Anton Harrison RB Bijan Robinson |
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I like Jones a lot! But I think bc we have OBJ, and fans don't love his play style already, a faster footed RT would be preferable. He wouldn't bother me as our #1 one bit if Andy likes him, but I think he's climbing up from the second rather than falling from the top half of the first. I think we'll get our choice of Foskey, Hall, Ojulari, White, Tuipuloto, Harrison, Carter or McDonald minus one or two at the bottom of the first but none were considered a top 10 talent that might slide down on draft day like Breese. Of those DEs mentioned, I think Foskey, White, Tuipuloto, and Harrison fit Spags size requirements with Harrison being the fastest and Tuipuloto having the most sacks. |
Question for you draft experts, which I am not. Is there any realistic chance the Chiefs draft Travis Kelce 2.0 with their late first round pick? He's projected to go late 1st. It doesnt seem like a position of need, but come on, Travis Kelce 2.0 is hard to pass up. QB wasnt a need when we drafted Mahomes, they said.
Can I get my hopes up at all here or nah? For clarity: Luke Musgrave, Oregon State University. |
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Honestly, if the Chiefs can come into the draft with the plan of taking the best WR or TE available, that would probably be ideal. |
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Addison, Smith-Njigba, Johnston, Hyatt, Mayer, Kincaid, Musgrave Somebody has to fall. |
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Issue with TE the value for a rookie TE isn't that valuable when compared to a FA TE so it is less worthwhile compared to a WR, OL and DE. In terms of a position to target in off season then I think it makes sense although the 3rd season is massive for TEs so Noah Gray could be in for a breakout year in terms of production. I would love to see Mahomes throw to Darnel Washington though. |
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Musgrave is a guy I was high on early, but back then he was barely flirting with a R3 evaluation. He's an unreal athlete but Ive cooled on him for one reason, he NEVER seems to play through contact. For a guy that big and quick he goes down way too easily. |
What about the OU tackle? He seems to be a good fit for us
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This draft is SO DEEP at TE that I'd be unquestionably pissed if they took one in the 1st. Not only do we have Kelce starting for the next couple years yet, but you can get similar talent in the 3rd or 4th round.
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I kinda get the point re depth meaning you might as well wait until later, makes sense to me. I think the opposite argument is my issue with going with WR early, it's so thin that the depth in guaranteed quality doesn't extend to the end of the 1st, so why force it? |
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Admittedly, I haven't watched the Mel Kipers or Todd McShays of the world to really know what the hell is going on in the media about it. From my standpoint, this draft is really strong. It has elite players at every position, its deep in round talent. It has some hella deep position groups at CB, ER, WR, TE, and RB. I think DT, S, LB and OL are at par. Not bad, not "best ever." I dunno, I see no major holes in this draft. Does it lack Punters? Yeah, I think so. Ha. |
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I really like Durham, Whyle, Latu, and Mallory as 3rd/4th guys. I really think those are some quality TEs and you're not throwing a premium at them. |
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This guy isn't a 1st rounder but go watch some video on LB Daiyan Henley probably a 3-4 but that dude has major upside...
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I don't get the depth at WR argument. The top 5 is weak compared to previous years and thereafter there's a load of "who knows" but again I don't see more than in previous years. There will be great value picks all the way, there always is, but it doesn't stand out to me as a good year.
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I think the basis of my argument with the talent of this class is that I can find near comparisons for most of the top WRs in this group to former 1st round picks. Here are some comps that I think are close. Quentin Johnston Most closely resembles: Kevin White - 7th overall Speed, size, agility, he has it all. Easily the best bet to be the 1st WR taken and a potential top-10 pick. Remember Kevin White from West Virginia? That's going back but I like the comp. White busted due to basically destroying his tibia and fibula in back-to-back seasons. Unfortunate because that kid had every ounce of talent in the world and I think Johnston is really close athletically. I don't know if Johnston is as good of a route runner and his hands aren't quite as good. Zay Flowers Most closely resembles: Jahan Dotson - 16th overall Just a really good route runner and he's quick. I don't know if he has elite top-end, similar to Dotson. Really good hands. That said, he's going to get open he's likely going to be a quality player. Definite potential to be a Tyler Lockett type. Jalen Hyatt Most closely resembles: Will Fuller - 21st overall The ability of Hyatt to take the top off is undeniable. He's an incredible talent. A bit of a linear athlete and has an unrefined route tree. We saw a very similar Jameson Williams go 12th overall last year and Henry Ruggs III only a couple of seasons ago at the same spot. Hyatt is in that range of 15-20 I think. Jaxon Smith-Njigba Most closely resembles: Kadarius Toney - 20th overall People forget just how absolutely insane this kid is. He puts clown shoes on people. The legitimate concern is he's Kadarius Toney 2.0 in terms of health issues paired with incredible talent. So, I guess we see what the NFL thinks. That's a tough go as an executive. He can play every position but he's best off the line and is elite from the slot. Jordan Addison Most closely resembles: Hollywood Brown - 25th overall Acceleration is A+. Route running is A+. So slippery and hard to cover. Like Brown, he's a smaller, wire-frame receiver with an outstanding ability to uncover and make plays. I think top-20 is absolutely on the table but somewhere before the end of the round is a certainty. Cedric Tillman Most closely resembles: Michael Pittman Jr. - 34th overall I'm really quite high on Tillman despite my lack of pounding the table for him. Honestly, there may not be a better JuJu replacement where the Chiefs pick if that's the type of WR they want. Anyhow, NFL bloodlines, tough in traffic, amazing hands, and enough speed to make a play down the field. He's not going to juke your shorts off or blaze by you with a 4.3 but he's just a good, consistent, starting NFL WR. Josh Downs Most closely resembles: Elijah Moore - 34th overall I don't know if Downs is as fast as Moore but I see a lot of similarities in their ability to work every inch of the field under 10 yards and sneak deep once in a while. Downs was definitely Mr. Reliable when NC needed a play. I think Downs makes his living in the NFL as a slot and, like Moore, ends up a high 2nd round pick. Tyler Scott Most closely resembles: DeSean Jackson - 49th overall If there were ever a WR to bet on putting on a show at the Combine, it's probably Scott. He's probably going to be in that Henry Ruggs range for speed, vertical, etc. Scott does more than run deep as he can work the short and intermediate zones and has some wiggle as a former RB. He also does a tremendous job of high-pointing in traffic. I like that he primarily played his snaps on the outside (to the point of almost exclusively) and can win reps. We can argue the value NFL teams put on finding the next DJax as well as speed tends to go high. There are several 2nd and 3rd round-caliber WRs as well, which really speaks to the depth of the class, not just these guys I figure to be in the conversation for round 1. |
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