Joe "Cool" and being elite? Yeah, no.
 

I admit I realize I have been overestimating him like many others. He is quite good but elite he is not and he definitely hasn't earned his "cool" moniker. And I have heard multiple pundits now say, even after yesterday he is a better QB than Mahomes, but Mahomes is the better player. Talk about moving the goalposts to fit your narrative.

I will give him credit for the Brady comparison though as he has absolutely been carried by his defense and luck like Brady was in his earlier years in winning playoff games. But Burrow isn't as clutch as Brady was even back then.

And for those who think he is even close to Mahomes:

Burrow 0 times 30 point postseason games to Mahomes 8
300 yard games is 1 to 7
TD drives in fourth quarter is a whopping 0 to 14

Good old Nick Wright has more in the video but here is a picture with the most relevant part of Burrow's fourth quarter stats in the postseason. It's remarkable the Bengals have won any games honestly in the postseason.

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Burrows - 3
Mahomes -1

Overtime Mahomes will get this ratio reversed I assure you.:thumb:

mahomes would never punt with those WR

joe has 2018 mahomes team and 2020 josh allen results

He's been made to look a lot better than he is by being able to chuck it up to his incredibly talented WR group.

Happy to know he'll be the highest paid QB in the league soon.

Burrow got a big whiff of his own ass and loved the smell. Mahomes >>> everyone else.

I think he is an elite QB who played poorly in this big games. Not sure its all one thing or another thing.

You don’t get to be elite with fourth quarter post season stats like his.

I've had it up to my eyeballs with Cincy as much as anyone here, but to say he isn't elite is pure hubris in the afterglow of victory IMHO

He is a great QB, but I am curious to see how it goes with the team over time. His defense has done a phenomenal job in the Playoffs the last two years, giving up below 19 points per game and never more than 23 points in a playoff game the last 2 seasons. Is that type of performance on defense going to continue forever in Burrow's career? It remains to be seen. Joe might have to win more shootout games in the future, where he needs 30+ points to win. That will be interesting to see how it goes for them.

Did you watch Patrick Mahomes in the second half of the AFC Championship last year? Come on man.

Burrow is an elite QB there is nothing wrong with calling things as they are.

He’s good… But not Mahomes good..

Worst QB of all time imho

Nah, those 4th quarter splits actually are rather telling. Before the Bills game all of his playoff games had been decided in single score games. The defense is doing the heavy lifting down the stretches in these games.

Edit: I'd still firmly classify him as an elite QB

Nah, Burrow is elite.
I see no reason to try to dismiss his abilities. Folks would do that to Mahomes and it would drive me crazy.

7 game sample size is not insignificant and as was just pointed out in all those games except the Bills game points were needed in the fourth quarter and he has not delivered at all. Literally not even once with a TD drive.

Macaulay Culkin isn't cool.

Mahomes isn't elite. Mahomes is transcendent.

All Burrow could do this game was toss up prayer balls to his all-world WR's.

Dude threw up 4 prayer balls, one on a 4th down desperation heave, and two of them got picked.

Jake Plummer was 3-0 vs Tom Brady.

It’s a team game.

I don't use the term "great" as loosely as most people it seems.

Some people just want to die on a hill and be silly.

Biggest play of the game here and look at him. Ice cold. Totally unrattled.

Definitely not weeping like a bitch.

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He is still probably the second best QB right now but that doesn't mean he is elite to me which I think is evidenced by his subpar play in the biggest spots. I think the guys in the next few spots of QB rankings are closer to him than Burrow is to Mahomes.

Besides, it’s really 1-1.

The regular season games didn’t matter, because the Chiefs ended up with the higher seeds both years.

There is a difference between dismissing or critquing his abilities/potential and his performance as measured thus far. I am doing the latter.

He’s good and one of the better QBs in the league. But the gap between him and Mahomes grew a lot larger after last night.

The best QBs in the league go like this....

1. Mahomes





















2. Burrow
3. Allen
4. Hurtz

not sure i'd put burrow in front of allen now

his picks were just as bad as allen picks

allen runs out of some of those sacks last night

Burrow gets the benefit of the doubt that the sacks are all the fault of his o-line over his career but at some point he has to lose that if he continues being sacked so much. Russel Wilson was very similar for years until people started realizing Wilson really was creating a lot of sacks. Much like Alex Smith was here.

Prisoners of the moment.

Allen is better. Herbert is more talented.

Burrow is a top 4 QB.

But he's in a crowded class vying for that #2 spot behind Mahomes and other QB's are throwing their hats in the ring, and will continue to do so.

I'm not gonna sit here and defend Burrow past this post after all we've been through this week

But in three years he has two AFCCG appearances and a Super Bowl appearance at the age of 26, not to mention all the gaudy stats... he is clearly elite

He's also sitting on his couch until next year so we got that going for us, which is nice

I put Burrow ahead of Allen because he has been to 2 AFCCG and 1 SB. Allen has not done that.

Both of those QB's are really damn good. Much stronger defense for Cincy is the key difference. Buffalo's defense has given up more than 35 points per game in 3 straight playoff losses. Cincy's defense has never given up more than 23 points in Burrow's playoff career (7 games), even in their losses.

he's obviously quite good and it kind of sucks that all of the new top QBs are in the AFC but the Chiefs still overcome it. We were down to 3 receivers last night, Burrow has 3 WR's that would be a lot of teams #1 and one of the best WR's we've seen since Moss. But without Burrow they wouldn't be a contender just like the Chiefs wouldn't be without Mahomes.

Burrow has a great defense and some guys that can win jump balls, get back to me when he throws a 4th quarter td(in the playoffs).

This.

Greatness overcomes when all odds are against them.

Playoff stats:

Allen: 20 TD’s, 4 INT (in 8 games)
Burrow: 10 TD’s, 4 INT (in 7 games)

Again, Burrow is NOT the 2nd best QB. He's good, no doubt. But at best, he's in a crowded room still trying to stand out.

He’s elite, but he’s just not Mahomes. This is a great time we live in.

Mahomes is Captain America. A bit dorky at times but knows he is the elite of the elite and plays dumb about.

Those stats really show how much better the Cincy defense has been compared to Buffalo in the playoffs. I think both of those QB's are really damn good, but it's a team game. Defense & Special Teams need to be good to help these QB's win the games.

I'd like to have seen what Burrow would have done throwing the ball to MVS, Marcus Kemp, Skyy Moore and a hobbled Travis Kelce instead of Jamar Chase, Tee Higgins, Tyler Boyd, Hayden Hurst, and with Joe Mixon lining up in the backfield with him.

Conversely, I would have loved to see Mahomes attack with that set of weapons at his disposal.

Burrow’s skill players are way better than what Allen has too. Honestly think that Mahomes or Allen would put up 40 a game with Chase, Higgins, and Boyd.

This is where I will give Burrow a lot of credit. There is 'no chucking' with his arm whatsoever. He has an amazingly accurate arm and we saw it even last night at times and definitely in our previous 3 losses to them. Yes he is blessed with 3- No.1 wideouts for sure BUT they can't make you look better if your accuracy is manure(mediocre at best). I get your point BUT as much as I hate Burrow's cocky, disrespecting woke ass attitude he IS AMAZINGLY ACCURATE and definitely takes advantage of it with 3 No.1 WRs.

We'd score 69 points per game with weapons like that!!

Blasphemy.

Joe Cool is a legitimate top-5 Snoopy alter ego.

Oh wait, you are talking about the QB? Nevermind.

Burrow is the Jonathan Taylor of QBs. Which is the worst in the league.

I’m telling ya, Burrow losing the SB last year was the best thing that could have ever happened. It was the only sliver of hope I had that he wouldn’t be the next Brady.

I guess the kicker would miss an extra point if he was attempting 10 of them.

KC was averaging 37 points per game until Kareem Hunt got kicked off the team. I think Mixon & Perine combined is pretty similar to Kareem's impact. KC had Tyreek, Kelce, & Sammy. It was pretty awesome until Kareem got in trouble and Sammy missed a bunch of games late in the season.

If Mahomes has to deal with the "lets see what he can do without Tyreek", "he is a system QB", and "OMG he has the best TE of all time", then Burrow needs to deal with "lets see what he can do without Chase and/or Higgens"


Burrow is throwing to Elite WR's that can outjump everyone else.

Burrow is not an "out of the box"(backyard QB) when needed. For Mahomes that is in his "wheelhouse". He can adjust on the fly 'intelligently' and that is HUGE !! Burrows never could figure out Spag's schemes last night and kept ditching the ball and when you see a QB continue to do this he is having trouble in knowing where to go with the ball and not to mention the anxiety/fear factor.


Two things I would like to see in the future. 1st. Mahomes overall accuracy improve(collectively speaking here - I get last night with the injury - but overall especially with the deep ball)

2nd - We have never had a Chase, Adams, Jefferson etc..... type of WR that can just dominate a game. Hill could never beat the double team(once Bellichek showed the league how to do it) but the guys above mentioned can. We do have a TE that dominates but that is it. I want Pat to have that opportunity at some point hopefully because Travis is getting older and I really don't see anyone of that caliber or someone close to filling his shoes so when Travis does retire hopefully we will have that unstoppable WR in place.

Burrow will have Chase for the next 8+ years. But that will eventually cost a lot more money for his front office than it does right now. I will be surprised if they keep Higgins. If they do, it will make things even tougher for them to build the rest of the team around 3 big time players at very expensive positions.

I am more curious to see what happens for Burrow if the Cincy defense begins allowing a lot more points in Playoff games. So far they have given up less than 19 points per game and they've never given up more than 23 points in Joe's playoff career. That's pretty damn helpful to any QB.

Holy shit. Now this is a perfect comp.

The rest of these posters could learn a thing or two.

Oh most definitely. But this is 'thee real truthful record' for now and I assure you as competitive as Pat is especially after all the dissing he took this past week he will make damn sure he does NOT lose to Burrow for a long time. Maybe like our 7.5 going on 8yrs of domination of the Broncos which would be NIIIIIIICE!!

TRUTH!!!!!

YUP!!!!!

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Team game. Patrick needed & was given a lot of help from the defense and special teams to get the victory last night. He'll need it again in the future against this Bengals team. The Bengals are rock solid on both offense & defense, and they don't kill themselves with Special Teams mistakes.

Mahomes to Andy Reid in pregame:

“Father, forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing.”

"When Allen and Burrow can almost see the Super Bowl title through Pat's eyes"

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There's only one Joe Cool, and it ain't the home alone kid

I'm not gonna fault Reggie Miller for not being Michael Jordan. Burrow's an elite player. Maybe one day he will get his ring. Maybe not.

Will be interesting to see what happens with our STs next year. :hmmm:

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KC Special Teams had an awesome game last night and I hope they can do it again in a couple weeks!

To Quote Gay "Nothing"

Agreed. That ball that doinked off the receivers helmet.. chief all over the receiver, receiver is stumbling and twisting and falling and flailing, and yet somehow burrow got it through all that mess and hit him right in the head.
And the chuck it up play style is more the WR's talents (or lack of talents). I'm guessing any QB would rather be throwing to guys with more separation rather than jump balls.

I take nothing away from Burrow, but to even remotely be in the same ballpark as Brady he will have to do more with less. I rail on how Brady has benefited from great defenses, but you give a young Brady those weapons and defense that Burrow has and he wins the SB.

Brady was in the biggest piece of shit division ever. Burrow has some good franchises in their division.

I think when Baltimore gets healthy they will roll the Bengals. Burrow's time is coming to an end. They can't keep Chase, Higgins and Boyd forever.

The difference is you take away Boyd and Burrow goes to shit.

You take away Reek, Juju and Toney and Mahomes wins the AFCCG.

Burrough is TB playing for a small market team, follow with great interest, prediction nothing but pain and tears, culmination one ring and in bed with the nfl

Like the AFC West of today?

Chase deserves to be the highest paid WR. How's that going fit in their budget?

there only one joe cool his name is joe montana!

He's elite I reckon, and he's shown he can still be elite with poor protection but elite WRs. We'll see at some point if he can do it with protection and JAG WRs, like Mahomes and Brady have done.

As an aside the PFF explanation for his grade vs Mahomes' in that game is pure garbage. Essentially they graded him higher because the INTs were on the WRs and not him. Pure guesswork from what I could read.

ROFL

He’s changing his name to Joe Arrowhead

They beat us three straight times, including two at Arrowhead, and then we finally win another 3 point game and Joe Burrow isn't elite?

I'm not going to go there. Guy is a baller and plays great.

Let's not get so cocky so soon. That's the mistake the Bengals just made.