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Hammock Parties 01-04-2023 07:44 PM

2023 HOF Finalists
 
Nice to see Jared and Albert nominated.

Think J. Thomas, Revis, Freeney, Barber and Holt get in. Maybe Woodson.

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Joe Thomas
Darrelle Revis
Zach Thomas
DeMarcus Ware
Jared Allen
Dwight Freeney
Devin Hester
Willie Anderson
Ronde Barber
Torry Holt
Reggie Wayne
Patrick Willis
Darren Woodson
Andre Johnson
Albert Lewis

Titty Meat 01-04-2023 07:45 PM

I would think Hester gets in best return man to ever do it

cmh6476 01-04-2023 07:47 PM

That's a pretty solid list.

Demonpenz 01-04-2023 07:48 PM

Patrick Willis was good jesus

Rain Man 01-04-2023 07:49 PM

This is Albert's last chance before he drops into the old-timer's pool. I hope the voters recognize that and vote him in.

I think the ones who SHOULD go in are:

Albert Lewis
Torry Holt
Darrelle Revis
Joe Thomas
Ronde Barber

Devin Hester and Jared Allen are close behind.

The ones who WILL go in are:

Albert Lewis
Jared Allen
Darrelle Revis
Joe Thomas
Reggie Wayne

wbbonneriii 01-04-2023 07:50 PM

Wasn't Zach Thomas like a 7 time (All Pro or second team all pro)? How is he not in at this point...when you are the first or second best player in the league at your position for 7 years?

5× First-team All-Pro (1998, 1999, 2002, 2003, 2006) 2× Second-team All-Pro (2001, 2005) 7× Pro Bowl (1999–2003, 2005, 2006) 2× NFL Alumni Linebacker of the Year (1998, 2006) 2× NFL tackles leader (2002, 2006) NFL 2000s All-Decade Team PFWA All-Rookie Team (1996)

Hammock Parties 01-04-2023 07:50 PM

there's no way i'm putting reggie wayne in the HOF before torry holt

manning made wayne

smithandrew051 01-04-2023 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Titty Meat (Post 16710277)
I would think Hester gets in best return man to ever do it

I think there will be bias against him, because a lot of guys who would’ve been great kick and punt returners were too valuable as wide receivers or running backs to risk injury returning.

Ming the Merciless 01-04-2023 07:52 PM

I loved Patrick Willis but I am not sure he can get into the HoF. He played 7.5 years, of which 6-7 were beastly for sure.


He led the league twice in tackles in those 7 years..


He made the pro bowl all 7 years he played full seasons.


3 playoff seasons (11, 12, 13) but no ring.


Great player for sure. HoF ? I dunno... Is that enough??

Rain Man 01-04-2023 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by wbbonneriii (Post 16710286)
Wasn't Zach Thomas like a 7 time (All Pro or second team all pro)? How is he not in at this point...when you are the first or second best player in the league at your position for 7 years?

Deron Cherry is a six-time pro bowler and three time all-pro, and he can't even get into the semi-finalist round. It's an even bigger mystery to me than Otis Taylor not being in.

Dayze 01-04-2023 07:55 PM

Ronde barber?

Seems more of a hall of very good type player. But I’m older now and can’t remember shit so who knows

Gary Cooper 01-04-2023 07:58 PM

Albert Lewis is one of the most underrated players ever. All Pro corner and the best punt blocker in football history.

Ming the Merciless 01-04-2023 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wbbonneriii (Post 16710286)
Wasn't Zach Thomas like a 7 time (All Pro or second team all pro)? How is he not in at this point...when you are the first or second best player in the league at your position for 7 years?


7 years selected to pro bowl


5 time AP All pro


Played 13 years and didnt miss much time, and was an absolute beast till the end


had damn near 100 tackles his last season


Unfortunately for him he didnt see the playoffs for the last 8 years he played and miami was bounced out of the 1st or second round 5 years in a row when he was young 1997-2001


He has a better chance than willis, IMO

Hammock Parties 01-04-2023 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 16710297)
Ronde barber?

Seems more of a hall of very good type player. But I’m older now and can’t remember shit so who knows

47 picks, 28 sacks and 12 TD

5 Pro Bowls, 1 DPOY

he's in

Ming the Merciless 01-04-2023 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16710310)
47 picks, 28 sacks and 12 TD

5 Pro Bowls, 1 DPOY

he's in


he also played like 16 years and never missed games


its insane what an iron man he was


2002 - 2 picks and 10 batted balls in the playoffs ...with a pick 6 (and a superbowl ring)


i agree - he's in for sure

Hammock Parties 01-04-2023 08:03 PM

12 TD is insane for a defensive player

Gary Cooper 01-04-2023 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wbbonneriii (Post 16710286)
Wasn't Zach Thomas like a 7 time (All Pro or second team all pro)? How is he not in at this point...when you are the first or second best player in the league at your position for 7 years?

Is Zach Thomas going in as a Chief?

Jewish Rabbi 01-04-2023 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary Cooper (Post 16710323)
Is Zach Thomas going in as a Chief?

He should because he sucked when he played for the Dolphins

Rain Man 01-04-2023 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16710310)
47 picks, 28 sacks and 12 TD

5 Pro Bowls, 1 DPOY

he's in

Wow, that's almost as many interceptions and pro bowls as Deron Cherry.

wbbonneriii 01-04-2023 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16710310)
47 picks, 28 sacks and 12 TD

5 Pro Bowls, 1 DPOY

he's in

Keep in mind the difference between a pro bowl and all pro. All pro is the best at your position, pro bowls is the best 4-5 at your position. Zach Thomas was the best at his position for 5 years and runner up another 2 times (he has 1 more all pro award than Mills). Only Cleveland's Thomas of the finalists has more all pro awards. Zach has to get in this time.

wbbonneriii 01-04-2023 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 16710331)
He should because he sucked when he played for the Dolphins

Really...

5× First-team All-Pro (1998, 1999, 2002, 2003, 2006) 2× Second-team All-Pro (2001, 2005) 7× Pro Bowl (1999–2003, 2005, 2006) 2× NFL Alumni Linebacker of the Year (1998, 2006) 2× NFL tackles leader (2002, 2006) NFL 2000s All-Decade Team PFWA All-Rookie Team (1996)

Better stats than Urlacher

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FlrFSPpX...pg&name=medium


BTW, comparing him to our beloved Derek Thomas...

Zach had 1,100 Solo Tackles and Derek had 532 Solo Tackles
Zach had 627 Assists and Derek had 110 Assists
Zach All Pro 5 Times and Derek All Pro 3 Times...

And who deserves in again?

Megatron96 01-04-2023 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 16710294)
Deron Cherry is a six-time pro bowler and three time all-pro, and he can't even get into the semi-finalist round. It's an even bigger mystery to me than Otis Taylor not being in.

This is just my opinion, but I think part of it has to do with how visible was the player at the time. If you played for a franchise that was always going to the playoffs, always on primetime, then you just had more eyeballs on you and the voters would remember these guys like Cherry or Otis. Especially before cable, ESPN, etc. But if you played for a franchise that almost never got primetime games, especially when it was just MNF, never got into the playoffs, then you get overlooked, simply because a lot fewer people were watching you play.

Ming the Merciless 01-04-2023 08:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wbbonneriii (Post 16710418)
Really...




BTW, comparing him to our beloved Derek Thomas...


not the same position at all, you cant even make that comparison

Rain Man 01-04-2023 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megatron96 (Post 16710442)
This is just my opinion, but I think part of it has to do with how visible was the player at the time. If you played for a franchise that was always going to the playoffs, always on primetime, then you just had more eyeballs on you and the voters would remember these guys like Cherry or Otis. Especially before cable, ESPN, etc. But if you played for a franchise that almost never got primetime games, especially when it was just MNF, never got into the playoffs, then you get overlooked, simply because a lot fewer people were watching you play.

Yeah, the Chiefs weren't the league's premier franchise at that point. Deron played in the era where Ronnie Lott got all of the attention as well. He didn't get the credit that he deserved.

ThyKingdomCome15 01-04-2023 09:56 PM

Torry should have been in years ago. He's the last of the GSOT that hasn't gotten in. Wayne gets in next year.

Jewish Rabbi 01-04-2023 09:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wbbonneriii (Post 16710418)
Really...

5× First-team All-Pro (1998, 1999, 2002, 2003, 2006) 2× Second-team All-Pro (2001, 2005) 7× Pro Bowl (1999–2003, 2005, 2006) 2× NFL Alumni Linebacker of the Year (1998, 2006) 2× NFL tackles leader (2002, 2006) NFL 2000s All-Decade Team PFWA All-Rookie Team (1996)

Better stats than Urlacher

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FlrFSPpX...pg&name=medium


BTW, comparing him to our beloved Derek Thomas...

Zach had 1,100 Solo Tackles and Derek had 532 Solo Tackles
Zach had 627 Assists and Derek had 110 Assists
Zach All Pro 5 Times and Derek All Pro 3 Times...

And who deserves in again?

Yeah all his good years were in Kansas City bub

smithandrew051 01-04-2023 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 16710565)
Yeah all his good years were in Kansas City bub

Same with Revis. Dude sucked as a Jet. Really came into his own as a Chief.

Jewish Rabbi 01-04-2023 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 16710572)
Same with Revis. Dude sucked as a Jet. Really came into his own as a Chief.

I forgot he even played for the Jets lmao

WhawhaWhat 01-05-2023 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wbbonneriii (Post 16710418)
BTW, comparing him to our beloved Derek Thomas...

Zach had 1,100 Solo Tackles and Derek had 532 Solo Tackles
Zach had 627 Assists and Derek had 110 Assists
Zach All Pro 5 Times and Derek All Pro 3 Times...

And who deserves in again?

Ban for life.

Red Dawg 01-05-2023 08:34 AM

What's being lost here is Thomas really wasn't a classic LB. He was a pass rusher. He had 126 sacks in 11 years. That's 11 sacks per year average. How many LB's have that average?

His life was cut short so he probably would have had like 150 for sure. How many LB's averaged 11 sacks for career? Not even Lawrence Taylor but it's close and he played 13.

No DC was game planning for sorry ass Zach Taylor but there sure as hell were for Thomas.

Pepe Silvia 01-05-2023 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 16710297)
Ronde barber?

Seems more of a hall of very good type player. But I’m older now and can’t remember shit so who knows

I remember his pick 6 against the Chiefs several years back, probably one of the most impressive interceptions I’ve ever seen.

Chief Roundup 01-05-2023 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wbbonneriii (Post 16710418)
BTW, comparing him to our beloved Derek Thomas...

Zach had 1,100 Solo Tackles and Derek had 532 Solo Tackles
Zach had 627 Assists and Derek had 110 Assists
Zach All Pro 5 Times and Derek All Pro 3 Times...

And who deserves in again?

What a ****ing stupid ass comparison! WOW, you are really stupid and evidently have a problem with DT.
One was a pass rushing OLB/DE, the other was an off-ball linebacker. Now STFU and STFD.

lawrenceRaider 01-05-2023 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Gary Cooper (Post 16710307)
Albert Lewis is one of the most underrated players ever. All Pro corner and the best punt blocker in football history.

Lewis should have been in long ago. He was a stud for both KC and the Raiders.

KCJake 01-05-2023 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 16710297)
Ronde barber?

Seems more of a hall of very good type player. But I’m older now and can’t remember shit so who knows

Half that list looks like "very good type" players. Maybe I'm getting old too.


Holt, 4 badass years with the greatest show on turf.
Barber, 4-5 seasons were he was maybe top 2-3 at his position.
Revis, legit lockdown corner for 4-5 seasons. Flamed out very quickly after that.

These folks seem worthy

Joe Thomas
Jared Allen
Devin Hester
Patrick Willis
Albert Lewis-he was just a little before my time. I think I remember him blocking a punt in the playoffs against the Steelers. Him, Dale Carter and James Hasty. And that Cherry guy(?) We've had some solid corners here in KC

Perineum Ripper 01-05-2023 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wbbonneriii (Post 16710418)
Really...

5× First-team All-Pro (1998, 1999, 2002, 2003, 2006) 2× Second-team All-Pro (2001, 2005) 7× Pro Bowl (1999–2003, 2005, 2006) 2× NFL Alumni Linebacker of the Year (1998, 2006) 2× NFL tackles leader (2002, 2006) NFL 2000s All-Decade Team PFWA All-Rookie Team (1996)

Better stats than Urlacher

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FlrFSPpX...pg&name=medium


BTW, comparing him to our beloved Derek Thomas...

Zach had 1,100 Solo Tackles and Derek had 532 Solo Tackles
Zach had 627 Assists and Derek had 110 Assists
Zach All Pro 5 Times and Derek All Pro 3 Times...

And who deserves in again?






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Rain Man 01-05-2023 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lawrenceRaider (Post 16711139)
Lewis should have been in long ago. He was a stud for both KC and the Raiders.

In one sentence you made me both happy and angry.

KCJake 01-05-2023 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16710310)
47 picks, 28 sacks and 12 TD

5 Pro Bowls, 1 DPOY

he's in

Well damn ..I stand corrected on that guy. 47 picks/28 sacks/12TD. Pretty damn impressive

LoneWolf 01-05-2023 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower (Post 16710309)
7 years selected to pro bowl


5 time AP All pro


Played 13 years and didnt miss much time, and was an absolute beast till the end


had damn near 100 tackles his last season


Unfortunately for him he didnt see the playoffs for the last 8 years he played and miami was bounced out of the 1st or second round 5 years in a row when he was young 1997-2001


He has a better chance than willis, IMO

He couldn't make the Chiefs squad in 2009. ;)

wbbonneriii 01-05-2023 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 16711403)
He couldn't make the Chiefs squad in 2009. ;)

And neither could Tom Brady right now…

Mile High Mania 01-05-2023 03:24 PM

Joe Thomas
Darrelle Revis
DeMarcus Ware
Torry Holt
Darren Woodson

That would be my guess..

Demonpenz 01-05-2023 03:31 PM

Jesus take the wheel we got a live one

ThaVirus 01-05-2023 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 16710297)
Ronde barber?

Seems more of a hall of very good type player. But I’m older now and can’t remember shit so who knows

I generally want to agree because I don't think there were many years where he was a certified top 5 CB, but Clay and others have hit the nail on the head.

He racked up some insane stats over the years. He's also top 10 all-time in tackles. In fact, he's the only DB in the top 10.

He played on an all-time great defense and won a Super Bowl as well so the accolades are there.

DJ's left nut 01-05-2023 03:56 PM

This is bullshit!

I don't see a Damar Hamlin option on this list!

raybec 4 01-05-2023 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 16712330)
This is bullshit!

I don't see a Damar Hamlin option on this list!

He screwed his HOF chances by not dying.

Bump 01-05-2023 04:56 PM

Joe Thomas and Revis should make it in. The rest is pretty close, my 3rd choice would probably be Willis.


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