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TLO 12-11-2022 06:29 PM

What went wrong against the Broncos?
 
From 27-0, to.... that.

In a few weeks, nobody is really going to care what the game looked like, only that we got the W.

But for tonight, and for the next few days, I want to know what changed between 27-0 and the end.

Graystoke 12-11-2022 06:30 PM

3 picks

TLO 12-11-2022 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Graystoke (Post 16661270)
3 picks

This was certainly uncharacteristic of Mahomes. The Broncos definitely have some talent on defense.

Eleazar 12-11-2022 06:32 PM

Team played ****ty

Hope this helps LMAO

Gary Cooper 12-11-2022 06:32 PM

Turnovers and poor tackling.

Graystoke 12-11-2022 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hank Hill (Post 16661285)
This was certainly uncharacteristic of Mahomes. The Broncos definitely have some talent on defense.

Hmm, looked like shitty throws to me

BryanBusby 12-11-2022 06:33 PM

They thought the game was over before half-time.

TLO 12-11-2022 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Graystoke (Post 16661301)
Hmm, looked like shitty throws to me

I don't disagree. Mahomes was bad today.

Pitt Gorilla 12-11-2022 06:34 PM

Really needed to run the ball with Pacheco more. That's sort of the root of it, IMO. Oh, and perhaps get Burton off the team so Andy can't give him the ball. Ever.

Sassy Squatch 12-11-2022 06:35 PM

I can't think of two back to back games as frustrating as these past two.

mnchiefsguy 12-11-2022 06:35 PM

Defense gave up easy TD's and let the donkeys back in the game.

Mahomes had 3 picks.....but there was no reason for the defense to not hold the donkeys to at least a FG on those drives--at least a couple of times.

Defense did come through after Pat's 3rd INT--got the ball back and allowed the Offense to close it out and not give the donkeys another chance.

Defense is not getting better as the year goes along.....they shit the bed too often on drives.

Rainbarrel 12-11-2022 06:35 PM

Baker Mayfield gave the pregame speech & lucky rabbit foot to the donks

petegz28 12-11-2022 06:36 PM

3 picks and some shit defense.....Mahomes should have to walk home from Denver. That was a piss poor game on his part.

Pasta Little Brioni 12-11-2022 06:36 PM

Poor decision making from Pat and another disastrous day from this young secondary. It seems like EVERY contested catch is completed or a PI

smithandrew051 12-11-2022 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 16661326)
Really needed to run the ball with Pacheco more. That's sort of the root of it, IMO. Oh, and perhaps get Burton off the team so Andy can't give him the ball. Ever.

That FB dive on third and short needs to be retired forever. Every team knows it’s coming. It’s ran its course.

Kinda like the touch pass near the goal line. Teams adjust.

RetiredSeniorChief 12-11-2022 06:36 PM

Chiefs are great at coming back from a big deficit, but are terrible at keeping a big lead. They lose their edge.

kcpasco 12-11-2022 06:36 PM

3 picks and Andy needs to be better.

petegz28 12-11-2022 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 16661344)
That FB dive on third and short needs to be retired forever. Every team knows it’s coming. It’s ran its course.

Kinda like the touch pass near the goal line. Teams adjust.

I almost turned the game off after that play. It hasn't worked the last 3 times we have ran it yet here we go again....

jerryaldini 12-11-2022 06:37 PM

The first two picks were excellent defensive plays and they cashed both short fields to make it a game. Give them credit.

TLO 12-11-2022 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 16661326)
Really needed to run the ball with Pacheco more. That's sort of the root of it, IMO. Oh, and perhaps get Burton off the team so Andy can't give him the ball. Ever.

Quote:

Originally Posted by smithandrew051 (Post 16661344)
That FB dive on third and short needs to be retired forever. Every team knows it’s coming. It’s ran its course.

Kinda like the touch pass near the goal line. Teams adjust.

Exactly. That play was money for a long time. Start running some sort of fake off of it

FAH-Q 12-11-2022 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16661327)
I can't think of two back to back games as frustrating as these past two.

Right there with you. These last two performances have me very concerned about our chances in the playoffs. That being said, besides the Bengals, who seem to have some magic formula against us, I’m not too scared by any other AFC team, including Buffalo.

petegz28 12-11-2022 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RetiredSeniorChief (Post 16661346)
Chiefs are great at coming back from a big deficit, but are terrible at keeping a big lead. They lose their edge.

That's because of bad coaching......

notorious 12-11-2022 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 16661338)
3 picks and some shit defense.....Mahomes should have to walk home from Denver. That was a piss poor game on his part.

Preposterous.

Without Mahomes we lose today. With Mahomes playing bad the Broncos got to get close.

Eleazar 12-11-2022 06:38 PM

Same problems as ever. Pass rush barely there, poor tackling on defense. Poor tackle play on offense. Predicable play calling in key situations. Combine it with a once every few years poor game from Mahomes and you have… a win.

-King- 12-11-2022 06:38 PM

We are great coming back from a large deficit but struggle keeping a big lead. Focus issues.

PunkinDrublic 12-11-2022 06:38 PM

Chiefs got caught playing with their food. The donks have been a punchline but they have some talent on that team. Russell Wilson could’ve temporarily reverted back to his old self and made some plays.

ChiTown 12-11-2022 06:39 PM

We let one mistake turn the tide of a game that should have been a blood-letting. It was shocking that we couldn’t snap out of it in the first half. The D couldn’t make a stop and we couldn’t protect the ball.

I’m super happy for the win, but that was about unsatisfying a win as you can get. 3 INT’s? That’s really really bad.

wazu 12-11-2022 06:39 PM

I don’t know but what a disaster. Season ruined.

petegz28 12-11-2022 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 16661360)
Preposterous.

Without Mahomes we lose today. With Mahomes playing bad the Broncos got to get close.

I am not so sure about the first part of your statement considering lesser QBs have beat the Broncos this season....

Mahomes had a shit game and deserves to shoulder that......it happens

Al Czervik 12-11-2022 06:39 PM

Spags and his zone defense ****ing sucks. Period.
In addition, it takes Jeudy 3 TD's for Shit for brains Spags to move Sneed on him.
Unacceptable.

And Mahomes is careless with the ball today.
Many of his passes were off...All three of his picks were terrible.

wazu 12-11-2022 06:39 PM

Moral defeat.

IowaHawkeyeChief 12-11-2022 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superturtle (Post 16661327)
I can't think of two back to back games as frustrating as these past two.


LMAO I can... many in the 70's, 80's and 90's and many against Elway as he would have a bad game and still win somehow...

TomBarndtsTwin 12-11-2022 06:40 PM

Forced throws by Mahomes (except the last INT, which was just BAD) into tight windows that never should have been thrown leading 27-0.

Shitty defense. Rookie CB’s looking like rookie CB’s.

Giving Sherry Judy her career game. (although I did love after all the shit he was talking and the big game he had, he still came out a loser, like always)

ChiTown 12-11-2022 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 16661326)
Really needed to run the ball with Pacheco more. That's sort of the root of it, IMO. Oh, and perhaps get Burton off the team so Andy can't give him the ball. Ever.

This is so true……both points.

Molitoth 12-11-2022 06:40 PM

Momentum is a real thing.

We've seen the Chiefs use it to their advantage on many come-back performances all the way to a Super Bowl ring, and we've seen it hurt them from epic first halves of football, to some of the quality of football you would find on a high school field.

That second INT was a huge momentum killer, and Pat doesn't have the luxury of an amazing defense to get away with it.

That's some pressure.

ARROW2 12-11-2022 06:40 PM

we won......NEXT

Easy 6 12-11-2022 06:40 PM

That second fluke ass pick and ensuing score deflated us a bit and gave them temporary hope, thats all

notorious 12-11-2022 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 16661370)
I am not so sure about the first part of your statement considering lesser QBs have beat the Broncos this season....

Mahomes had a shit game and deserves to shoulder that......it happens

"Walk home" was a little strong. That's all I'm saying.

Pasta Little Brioni 12-11-2022 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 16661370)
I am not so sure about the first part of your statement considering lesser QBs have beat the Broncos this season....

Mahomes had a shit game and deserves to shoulder that......it happens

Pete...he fisted their defense other than 3 absolute dogshit decisions. Another Pat Jekyll and Hyde game

InChiefsHeaven 12-11-2022 06:41 PM

Three picks. Mahomes was kinda ASS today, even though he was 300+. We should have been cruising. When we were up 27-0, they should have been running the ball a ton more and not passing. BUT...nobody expects Mahomes to shit the bed that bad.

God that was frustrating. But we know that this team can and does do better. This was not a big game, so I think the Chiefs were sleeping, especially after that big lead.

mr. tegu 12-11-2022 06:41 PM

It probably started with the thread begging the universe to screw the team.

Coochie liquor 12-11-2022 06:41 PM

Dungver always plays us tough. They have an unbelievable advantage with that Mild Sigh air. Defense was gassed after going full blast the first 25 minutes. Patrick added 2 more amazing plays to his highlight reel. A win is win. Lots of stuff to clean up too. Trust, those Dungkeys were DESPERATE to stop the streak. But wasn’t enough. 14 in a mother ****ing row!!!

Pasta Little Brioni 12-11-2022 06:42 PM

On another note...is there another team in NFL history that can look so unstoppable 1 half and then basically look like the 22 Broncos in the other?

InChiefsHeaven 12-11-2022 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Razaele (Post 16661361)
Same problems as ever. Pass rush barely there, poor tackling on defense. Poor tackle play on offense. Predicable play calling in key situations. Combine it with a once every few years poor game from Mahomes and you have… a win.

We sacked Wilson like 5 ****ing times. Come on man...Defense had way too much time on the field because Pat had a shit day...3 picks...FFS...

FloridaMan88 12-11-2022 06:43 PM

One of the continuing issues is Andy making it way too complicated on 3rd and 1 plays.

Get to the line quickly and run Pacheco to get the first down.

IowaHawkeyeChief 12-11-2022 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious (Post 16661360)
Preposterous.

Without Mahomes we lose today. With Mahomes playing bad the Broncos got to get close.

It's ok to say Mahomes seemed to lose his focus once we got up 27-0 and was not extremely accurate today and made some poor throws/decisions, it's also Ok to realize that his great plays were able to overcome these mistakes. But, if he is sharp and making better decisions, this would have been a rout.

Bearcat 12-11-2022 06:44 PM

Turnovers and short fields are a killer, even when facing a bad offense.

And as many times as I read "run the ball more" and roll my eyes, when you're up 27-0 AND you're forcing throws, you're asking for trouble. And just for the sake of Mahomes' health, too, as he might have been killed on that last TD throw.

The NFL (and pro sports in general) are weird.... you can be THAT much better than another team, to be up 27-0 in the first half, yet it's still a pretty fine line of execution, focus, intensity, etc; and you throw a couple picks, get soft on defense, and let that dumpster fire of a team back into it.

petegz28 12-11-2022 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brother (Post 16661386)
Pete...he fisted their defense other than 3 absolute dogshit decisions. Another Pat Jekyll and Hyde game

Those 3 doghsit decisions came close to costing us the game...

petegz28 12-11-2022 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 16661401)
One of the continuing issues is Andy making it way too complicated on 3rd and 1 plays.

Get to the line quickly and run Pacheco to get the first down.

Completely agree. We go away from the run way to much.

Molitoth 12-11-2022 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88 (Post 16661401)
One of the continuing issues is Andy making it way too complicated on 3rd and 1 plays.

Get to the line quickly and run Pacheco to get the first down.

I'd surely like them to establish this... and then when it becomes expected, you fake it.

Right now I don't think other teams ever expect the Chiefs to run the ball, unless they see Burton in the backfield.

notorious 12-11-2022 06:45 PM

We are playing all of these nail-biters during the season so that the Superbowl game will be a blowout.

I for one will take that.

FAH-Q 12-11-2022 06:45 PM

I’m really disappointed in the play of our safeties. They don’t give any help to our young corners.

notorious 12-11-2022 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief (Post 16661404)
It's ok to say Mahomes seemed to lose his focus once we got up 27-0 and was not extremely accurate today and made some poor throws/decisions, it's also Ok to realize that his great plays were able to overcome these mistakes. But, if he is sharp and making better decisions, this would have been a rout.

Absolutely.

Hoover 12-11-2022 06:46 PM

Jewell is a damn good LB. And he mad two amazing catches.

Bwana 12-11-2022 06:46 PM

All I know, is they have a long way to go, before they hit the playoffs, or it won't end well.

Hammock Parties 12-11-2022 06:47 PM

a complete loss of focus from mahomes

mnchiefsguy 12-11-2022 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 16661370)
I am not so sure about the first part of your statement considering lesser QBs have beat the Broncos this season....

Mahomes had a shit game and deserves to shoulder that......it happens

Lesser QB's are not winning this game with our defense.

Mahomes "shit" game was still 350+ yards, 3 TD passes, and the offense scored 27.

We hold Mahomes and the offense to a ridicoulously high standard, but give excuse after excuse for the defense.

If Mahomes had only "shit" games for the Broncos....they would be 12-1 right now.

notorious 12-11-2022 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hoover (Post 16661427)
Jewell is a damn good LB. And he mad two amazing catches.

Dude sat in the right spot and stole 2 from the best QB in the league.

He's a baller.

Pasta Little Brioni 12-11-2022 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16661433)
a complete loss of focus from mahomes

Happening far too often....dude completely lost his composure Ala last years AFCC

Rasputin 12-11-2022 06:49 PM

Chiefs tend to play down to the competition like they get bord. They focus more for good teams.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! 12-11-2022 06:50 PM

We’re .500 against teams with winning records

dirk digler 12-11-2022 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 16661338)
3 picks and some shit defense.....Mahomes should have to walk home from Denver. That was a piss poor game on his part.

Walk home? Yeah he had 1 bad INT out of 3 but he also had 3 TD's. The defense is a large part of the problem by allowing 28 pts to the worst offense in the NFL.

Rainbarrel 12-11-2022 06:51 PM

Walton-Penner and the Clarks wanted to teach the NFL a lesson for flexing this game

ChiefsCountry 12-11-2022 06:53 PM

Both teams are professionals. You dont blow many people out in the NFL.

IowaHawkeyeChief 12-11-2022 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 16661434)
Lesser QB's are not winning this game with our defense.

Mahomes "shit" game was still 350+ yards, 3 TD passes, and the offense scored 27.

We hold Mahomes and the offense to a ridicoulously high standard, but give excuse after excuse for the defense.

If Mahomes had only "shit" games for the Broncos....they would be 12-1 right now.

Hackett would not be 12-1 with Mahomes...

displacedinMN 12-11-2022 06:54 PM

Whew

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petegz28 12-11-2022 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mnchiefsguy (Post 16661434)
Lesser QB's are not winning this game with our defense.

Mahomes "shit" game was still 350+ yards, 3 TD passes, and the offense scored 27.

We hold Mahomes and the offense to a ridicoulously high standard, but give excuse after excuse for the defense.

If Mahomes had only "shit" games for the Broncos....they would be 12-1 right now.

Expecting your QB to not throw 3 ints in a game is not a ridiculously high standard.

notorious 12-11-2022 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE! (Post 16661447)
We’re .500 against teams with winning records

Buffalo 4-3
Miami 2-4
Cincy 4-2
Baltimore 2-3
Tenn 0-5 (holy shit)



Philly 4-0
Dallas 4-1

jerryaldini 12-11-2022 07:05 PM

Outside of JJS the WR group had 2 catches

cdcox 12-11-2022 07:06 PM

Well, the 27-0 was a little misleading. We got a couple of easy scores on the flip pass to McKinnon and the Gay INT.

Denver has a good defense. They had the right schemes in the secondary to jump the 10 yard passes. Andy needed to mix in some different passing concepts once he saw they were going to emphasize stopping those.

The defense did not play as bad as it appeared. The Chiefs forced 7 punts, had 6 sacks, and forced 2 interceptions. The Broncos running game was essentially Wilson's scrambles. Without Wilson, they rushed for 49 yards at an average of 3.3 yards per carry. The Broncos were fortunate to string their good plays together when they counted, to score 28 points.

Just one of those games, and I'm pleased with the Chiefs' win.

-King- 12-11-2022 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InChiefsHeaven (Post 16661400)
We sacked Wilson like 5 ****ing times. Come on man...Defense had way too much time on the field because Pat had a shit day...3 picks...FFS...

Pretty sure he's talking about when we didn't blitz. When we didn't blitz we couldn't get any pressure. When we did, we either got the sack or allowed a first down.

Easy 6 12-11-2022 07:08 PM

Pat was off tonight in some ways, but that second pick was lucky garbage... take that one away and things look much better

Pitt Gorilla 12-11-2022 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 16661414)
Those 3 doghsit decisions came close to costing us the game...

Not really. When were we ever behind?

petegz28 12-11-2022 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 16661536)
Not really. When were we ever behind?

Thus the word close......and yes, really

DenverChief 12-11-2022 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jerryaldini (Post 16661515)
Outside of JJS the WR group had 2 catches

This is why Hardman and to a lesser extent Toney are so important to this offense.

Rainbarrel 12-11-2022 07:10 PM

Liver is full of iron!

Pitt Gorilla 12-11-2022 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 16661460)
Both teams are professionals. You dont blow many people out in the NFL.

Chief Fans tend to ignore this fact for whatever reason. All-world Buffalo beat the Jets by 8 today. The Ravens beat the Steelers by 2. Dallas beat Houston by 4. Hell, Seattle lost to Carolina.

It's the NFL and it's hard. Period.

Pitt Gorilla 12-11-2022 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28 (Post 16661542)
Thus the word close......and yes, really

Ok, when were we "close" to losing?

DenverChief 12-11-2022 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by -King- (Post 16661529)
Pretty sure he's talking about when we didn't blitz. When we didn't blitz we couldn't get any pressure. When we did, we either got the sack or allowed a first down.

Like I have said before…our defense lives and dies by the blitz

HemiEd 12-11-2022 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Al Czervik (Post 16661373)
Spags and his zone defense ****ing sucks. Period.
In addition, it takes Jeudy 3 TD's for Shit for brains Spags to move Sneed on him.
Unacceptable.

And Mahomes is careless with the ball today.
Many of his passes were off...All three of his picks were terrible.

Yeah, he was way out in front or well behind a lot of his receivers, just off.


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