Kadarius Toney's role this season & stat predictions?
 

We have a bye week so that's good but everyone knows Reids playbook isn't the easiest for new WRs. What does everyone think his role will be immediately? What about at the end of the year? How many snaps will he have vs the Titans?

Some think he's just an option for 2023 and beyond but if the Chiefs gave up a late 3rd and 6th for him perhaps they are envisioning more.

Depends on him. If he comes in and applies himself he could easily be one of the top contributors by the time we're hitting the last week's of the season before the playoffs. If it's more of the same he's done in New York probably just punt returns and gimmick duty with an occasional catch or two downfield.

I think he will play WR for the Kansas City Chiefs and win the Super Bowl.

I conservatively think he’ll have 1,700 yards and 19 TDs this year.

Dumb question, but can he return punts? I've never watched him.

More production than Josh Gordon 2021. Less than Tyreek Hill 2021.

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The Skyy's the limit!

This isn’t an easy offense for someone to just drop in at the bye week and acclimate to. I would guess that other than possible cracks at return duties or situational use, he won’t contribute much this year.

This name next to Ronald Jones on the Inactive List till about December. Then hits the big time next year.

This is actually the right answer. I think he'll put up more numbers than Skyy.

Kick/punt returner, hopefully so he can have an immediate impact, and slot receiver. No idea what his production will look like.

Maybe 30 catches, 300+ yds, 3 TDs(?), 20 carries (jet sweeps?), 100-150yds, a couple more TDs? If he can digest a decent percentage of the playbook, and can get on the same page with Andy and Patrick quickly.

WR1

1800yds All Purpose

23 TDs

NFL MVP and Comeback Player of the Year

I could see him getting on the field for the next game, due to the bye week. But I wouldn't go expecting big production right away. If he can finish the season with 400 yards that would be a good thing.

It's a golden ticket getting to play in KC. Doesn't sound like he necessarily deserves it so I hope he at least produces right away.

He’s not doing much this year, and that’s fine.

The next 3 years are what I’m looking forward to with him. He’s going to be huge next year.

200-300 yards, 1-2 TD's

I don't think they are immediately going to thrust him into a big role by any means. They are going to take it slow and in the best case scenario he starts to gel with the offense toward the end of the season. It's definitely possible he won't get any major playing time until next year.

I know nothing about this guy. But everything I've seen from him reminds me a lot like tyreek. He's dangerous out in space. I like this trade much more than going for a 30 yr old reciever rehabbing his 2nd ACL tear. Great front office move

3 reps his first week. Gradually increase as the season goes to give guys a break. If he’s open Mahomes will get him the ball. I’ll say 3 TD’s. Two games with 100 yards.

To die his hair gold & grow a beard

Punt returner with small reps sprinkled in in the upcoming weeks. Might play a big role coming down the stretch. Hopefully he'll be a can be a big upgrade from Moore at PR

INSTANTLY better at PR and a couple of huge YAC plays on limited snaps at WR

This.

he'll have a small package of plays, probably screens and quick hitter type stuff.
He'll be an upgrade at PR.

And for this season that's likely it. Next year, he'll get all of Hardman's stuff if Hardman prices himself out of KC.

Percy Harvin is probably a good comparison in terms of realizing his potential, although the Florida association might be influencing that thinking…

The role you might think of for Toney is something like Hardman’s so I will be interested to see what they do with him.

Harvin is a bad comparison.

Harvin excelled in straight line speed not unlike Hardman.

Toney isn't that fast but is a lot more shifty.

I just hope Andy doesn’t try and get too cute with his new toy and let him through the ball etc…

Sprinkle so runs and few routes here and there and as long as well he helps us win I don’t really care about his stats .

Literally 1 million touchdowns

PER GAME

Huh? Toney ran his 40 .2 faster than Harvin did. It's not pure game speed but I think that should at least be a decent barometer to compare if we're just talking straight line speed.

I don't think it's a bad comparison in terms of their basic skillset and their likely role in the offense. Harvin even had the same negatives listed for him coming into the league, e.g. the questionable commitment to football.

It won't be much. Why put him out there anytime soon? The offense is ranked number one.

Who got cut to make room on the roster? Clark being suspended would offset it for a couple of weeks. But McDuffie should be getting activated from IR soon so someone has to go . Who? Also, who goes on the inactive list to activate him? JuJu, MVS, Hardman, Skyy, and Watson have been active all year. They aren't going to dress more than 5 WR. Only one that I could see being inactive is Watson, but IDK.

12 catches for 180 yards, 1 TD

unleashed in the playoffs

you will see 2 huge plays from him and andy will be winking and nodding

8/100 with 1 TD.


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He will return kicks and get a few snaps running sweeps and screens.

That’s what I’m expecting this year with a much bigger role next year

That's my expectations as well. But that only applies if he buys into the culture at Arrowhead. I'm not sure it's sunk into him yet, but as a former 1st rounder in New York, he just got traded for the NFL equivalent of a bagel with a small schmear. He better be on his best behavior.

Honestly, if it's more of the same I don't think he'll play much at all. He's got to get that cleaned up first.

Looking at his short history, he is AWOL and Sick Call most of the time.

Dude, it’s not even close.

Percy Harvin is one of the fastest players I’ve ever seen. Go watch some of his highlights. Toney is nothing like him from a game speed perspective.

Put 40 times aside unless you want to put Knile Davis into the conversation.

The only thing they are comparable is the school they went to. Toney is faster than Harvin.

Toney isn't as fast as Mecole. But he accelerates a bit quicker, and he's got a lot more wiggle. And someone back me here, but I think he's damned near an elite route-runner. Some of his moves at the top of the route are Kelce level.

Damn, the more I see of this guy the more I hope we can reclaim this kid. This guy could replace both MVS and Hardman next season.

Prob get him started on punt returns. Skyy Moore just can't seem to do it.

I think Toney Kardashian will start out being a kick/punt returner we need someone more reliable and that can give us better field position to start a drive. Then they will open his role as he learns the play book. Coming in on a bye week is good for him to learn and Andy to draw something up.

It all depends on how hard this dude will work. If he works hard, then I could see him having 300ish yards. If he's a dipshit and doesn't try hard I could see him having <100

Definitely agree here. His commitment to the team was definitely lacking in New York. Reid expects hard work and attendance at team meetings. If he does that, he'll see the field often enough I'd think.

I think he's going to definitely get dialed up in the screen game and on sweeps and so forth and be an option in the red zone with a couple cute plays Reid will have up his sleeve early on, plus I think he'll return punts.

I'll go with 25 rec for 275 yards with 3 TDs, 7 car for 70 and 2 TD, and 17 returns for 200 yards.

Seems realistic to me.

I expect 300 yards, playoffs included, not counting special teams work. I expect him to rotate with hardman, probably take a hand off or two and give us some outside zone juice once or twice and probably get one touch down, in the playoffs against buffalo AT arrowhead.

Think it all depends on health of the other Wr. JuJu, Mecole and MVS are going to play. They are all injury prone. I think this is a shot at Moore not being able to step in and being ready if one of them goes down.

He will get some run as the 4th but unless he shows he is significantly better then Mecole he is more of insurance this year.

Noo Moore

There's no doubt the kid has talent, so did a lot of guys that are no longer in the NFL. Talent isn't all it takes to be successful, it takes work and a willingness to live within the system. I don't know or care what happened in NYC, only what happens here. If he plays by the rules, we just got a steal. If not, buh-bye.

He'll get a few plays this year to see how he fits into the system, but if anyone thinks he's going to go off and take a lot of touches away from from Juju, MVS, or Hardman, pass me one of those Natty Lights you've been drinking. He's insurance for this year.

This season will likely be little to none. Andy requires his receivers to know all routes, not just their own.

This is allegedly a player with poor study habits, and poor meeting room performance. Andy's scheme, and these personality traits do not mesh.

This is another flyer on a Dave Gettleman first round pick. The DeAndre Baker flyer didn't pan out, and while this guy has some talent it's really up to him to grow up and work, a d then we have the brokedick factor to contend with as well.

Maybe this is them finally taking the L on Skyy as a punt returner at the least, despite all the podium pounding that Skyy was still right for the job.

Futuristically, this guy is likely Hardman 2.0

Smart take.

I really think this season is all gravy, whatever we get from him is a bonus.

Where he can make the biggest impact is returning kicks. I also can see Andy creating a speed package when you have MVS, Hardman, and Toney all on the field. I mean, can you imagine a WASP play with those guys screaming down the field?

Anyway, I don't know about yards or TDs, but I expect him to show up big in a game.

Yeah, I would presume he (Toney) will take over PR, with a slight upside on the quick screens and maybe a quick slant. Unless his head is somewhere else, then who knows.

If they get him out there running routes, it's gonna be Moore's snaps he eats.

Guessing he will be more productive than Josh Gordon was after we picked him up midseason.

The ceiling is the roof.

I would be more productive than Josh Gordon, because I wouldn't waste a spot on the 53.

I can see him in a Dante Hall role for the near term. Returns and a couple of targets a game.

23 receptions for 259 yards & 2 TDs

6 carries for 49 yards and 0 TDs

With 1 PR for a TD



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Has the skyy fallen yet???

I’m gonna say

800 all purpose yards

350 receiving
250 rushing
200 Punt returns

6 total TDs (one PR)

Lolz . Next year? Sure

You do realize with 10 games left all he has to do is get 35 yards receiving/ 25 rushing and 20 on returns a game to meet that mark? That’s not very lofty. I know he won’t get exactly that every game some games will be more some will be less but all he has to Average is that.

One jet sweep that gets 20+ yards. One reception and YAC over 30. This isn’t hard to imagine.

I'm only interested in how he will affect defensive matchups against the Bills when we crush them in the playoffs.

That's a ton of speed to respect.

lol yes it is

Wager?

I'm not making a wager with a stranger online who has a brain warped by fantasy stats and posts idiotic comments on CP no

you must be new to the interwebz

I'm thinking mostly returns this season, since Patrick seems to finally be in sync with the receivers.

:shrug: I think he could get a couple of offensive plays in a game especially jet sweeps and maybe some bubble screens.

He's probably going to return punts and maybe kicks, too, since they'd clearly like to get Pacheco more involved in the offense.

They'll probably manufacture some touches for him, ala jet sweep type stuff, maybe some WR screens.

I highly doubt they're going to throw him into the offense in any meaningful way in mid-season barring a bunch of injuries.

100% agree. I'd imagine 10 snaps per game on offense would be about the limit this year.

and probably a ramp up to that over several weeks.

I would say that, given his malcontentment with NY being a factor, they may try to get him at least a little involved as soon as possible-but yeah, it'll be screens and jet sweeps and stuff. No way he could come in cold and grasp this offense mid-season.

Not wagering, but that would beat the rookie season of basically every Chiefs WR I could think of to look up except Tyreek, and Toney has half a season to do it.

Assuming Toney applies himself and studies the playbook diligently, Andy will certainly get him on the field asap. All manufactured stuff at first, and probably not more than 5-8 touches for the first couple weeks, then more if he progresses well. Probably no more than 20 odd snaps/game (not touches, just offensive snaps) by season's end. But Andy and co. will want to see what they've bought as soon as practical.

If he didn't have this incredible skill that fits in with jet sweeps and an uncanny ability to get those extra yards after the catch I would say no way. But I'm willing to bet Andy has some plays schemed up specifically to exploit those skills. All he has to do is get 35 yards receiving, 25 yards rushing and 20 yards in returns per game over the remaining games to make that happen.

5-8? Come on. What would that make him? The 3rd most relied upon weapon on offense?

He'll be lucky to get 2 touches a game to start off.

I was including PK returns. And this is a slightly different situation, which is why I kind of guess that they'll want to get him some touches asap. They'll start him kind of slow, but they'll want to see what he can do, and why not against our next two opponents? Two teams that don't feature great pass rushes, so Pat will have plenty of opportunity to find Toney in a real live game. Might as well take the kid for a test drive on an easy stretch of road . . .

Will he even be active vs Tennessee?