Observations from my easy chair.
 

OL (minus Brown) were money last night and it showed with CEH's 92 on the ground and Pacheco adding another 63. Only 1 trick play was needed to score and that was due to the interior 3 owning the Bucs line. A little Martyball is a good thing.

The zebras let the players determine the outcome of the game. We got away with a couple. Clark was clearly in the neutral zone when the Bucs were called for too many guys on the field and Jones might have been called for roughing the passer. Tommyboy was chirping all night long but didn't get a favor. Did anyone notice if he committed battery on a defenseless Ipad?

CEH's TD reception will surely make the highlight reels this week. Just Patrick being Patrick.

The only thing I can bitch about was the unnecessary INT in the 4th. It was 3rd and 5 and PMII either missed or ignored a wide open McKinnon in the left flat. That would have kept the drive alive and we wouldn't have had to listen to Collinsworth yapping about Brady.

I thought Mahomes played with an intensity that we haven't really seen for a while. And it is infectious to the rest of the team. If that passion stays for the rest of the season, look out!

Big takeaways from the media so far , TB o and Brady were great and the bucs D was really bad because of there difficult prep week .

Overall a great game that we needed after that egg we laid last week.

My only complaints:
-OBJ slow as hell getting into his blocks and guys are going around him at will
-Frank Clark's only "highlight" was jumping offsides
-Hardman not being used at all in offense
-Mahomes missed WIDE open guys 3 times for sure and possibly more. Not sure why. The Hatdman route that was a sure walk-in TD was glaring.

Sneed was a beast.
CEH and Pacheco great 1-2 punch.
Bolton's side to side play was great.
Kelce made great catches and was a huge reason we won.
Everyone got in on the action.

Overall a really great team win

Pretty fair game by the zebras, although the Bucs got away with a couple as well:

-Phantom hold on a CEH first down in the final minutes of the Q4.
-No intentional grounding on Brady at one point.
-That Thornhill hit in the endzone on Evans should not have been called.



Yeah, this pass was disappointing. Sometimes Pat just has those WTF moments (like every other QB ever).

Anyone notice that Bolton mentions his high school rather than MU during his first drive introduction?

We need more from the pass rush. The defense has a few things to shore up.

That was probably the most disappointing thing to me last night. Our front 4 just couldn’t generate much. Clark is such a non-factor right now. It’s pretty painful to watch him play.

Mahomes looked to have 2 mistakes last night. But 2000 right decisions. So I'll take it.

Maybe a little cleanup could go about of it though.

Missing Mecole for an easy TD because he didn't even look his way is more than a lack of trust. He still needs to go through his reads while still reading what the defense gives you. This isn't just a trust issue, ego's at play here too.

And the INT was trying to play hero ball when McKinnon was open and when he just needed to play more efficiently with what the defense was giving him.

I really think he expected JJSS to flatten his route, but JJSS drifted instead, giving the defender an open shot at the ball.

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The comments all week about the OL suddenly forgetting how to block were pretty funny.

“They were really good last year and are a year more experienced but they suck ass because they weren’t great vs the Colts!”

Pass blocking by the tackles isn’t perfect, but we knew that coming in.

It may be that Smith was just hurt worse than we thought and now he's healthy.

I'm starting to get the feeling that Mecole is not long for this team. We're going to see a new WR core next year. JSS and Mecole will probably be gone.

The Hardman miss is concerning. To me, this is such a lack of faith in Hardman to run the correct route and be where he's supposed to be, that pre-snap, Mahomes has already decided he's not getting the ball.

Hardman has been in this system way too long to be this bad at the receiver position. The guy should have been a lock for WR 1 with that speed, and time in the system.

Still, Mahomes needs to read the entire field, just for the simple fact that even a broken clock is right twice a day, and Hardman was hilariously wide open for a td.

You got to remember TB12 gets rid of the ball in about 1.4 seconds. Nobody gets a good pass rush on him. The pass rush still needs work but against Brady no pass rush looks very good.

That’s what some players do

Kelce does the same thing

Did we even do one Jet Sweep last night?

Easy Money University.

We have our RT of the future

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They weren't perfect, but this was far and away the best officiated game I've seen in a very long time. I have no problem with letting both sides just play football and not calling every little miniscule ticky-tack thing they see. It made the whole watching experience so much more enjoyable.

If it's called right down the middle, I am fine with a few hiccups. As long as they aren't throwing flags for phantom holding on every Brady incompletion on 3rd down, I'm good with it. Our DBs were being incredibly aggressive, too. There were several times I was fully expecting the yellow to come out and it never did.

So much more enjoyable to watch games like that.

Wylie has not been bad this year. He's been clearly better than OBJ.

Nothing but positives for me. The defense is going to actually get better as the season continues. Some of those middle blitzes where everyone got jammed up, will get better as they learn their assignments.

Jones got up field quick almost anytime he wasn't doubled and even then sometimes he did. Greek will improve his technique. Clark just fills up a roster spot. Our secondary played well, Evans pushed off a lot and they just made some great plays.

Not concerned about the defense at all. We'll get pressure when those exotic spags blitzes get sorted out.

Offensive gameplan was brilliant. Everything worked. Execution sometimes failed but guys were open and they didn't know what was coming. One of the best start to finish offensive games I've seen from Reid and Mahomes.

He's a decent RT. Certainly for a projected backup he's above average at the position. Better than anyone expected. He'll be tested though against Maxx Crosby. We'll see how that goes.

I still think Wylie should have started at RT during that Super Bowl disaster. Moving him to LT only made things worse.

This team came out to make a statement. CEH and Pachecho were running with attitude and our Oline was looking to eat babies. Nasty performance and I loved it. Great seeing this from our offensive line. I love Mahomes and doing his mahomes things but paring that with an offensive line that is looking to punish your ass on the ground as well makes this team unstoppable.

I am a little irked our defense gave up 31 points to them but I think when we were up 3 tds, Spags said we don't want a comeback just leave the underneath stuff open and contain, no big plays and let the clock run out. PAt doesn't throw that int we still probably win by 3 scores with that strategy.

Remmers moved to Left tackle for that game. And he was as big of a dumpster fire in that game as he was for the Panthers in their sb loss.

Did anyone else notice how poorly the clock management was handled by the Bucs down the stretch? After we got the first down with around 2:30 left, TB should've used their timeouts before the 2:00 minute warning. If they stop us on all 3 plays and force us to punt, they could've gotten the ball back with just under 2:00 minutes left.

Instead, they let us run the clock all the way down to the 2:00 minute warning without running a play, so it was basically useless for them. Then, we only had to run 2 plays to use 2 timeouts leaving us with the ability to run the entire play clock down the last play. Just terrible clock management by the Bucs.

I'm not so sure about Juju. I think he fits rather well as a WR2 in this offense. MVS I would put more on the table to be a potential cut next year. His dropsies is concerning and his contract would allow to get out of it early.

True, Mecole might have pastures that lie elsewhere. That does not discount the fact that Mahomes came to the line, made a decision based upon what he thought was seeing and locked on. Meanwhile Mecole was wide open for an easy TD. Mahomes guessed wrong. Just needs cleaned up a bit.

That is not just a lack of trust. That is also ego as for Mahomes to get to the line, making read adjustments based upon what he is seeing. He is discounting more than one read on occasion and there have been times where he guessed wrong. He still needs to go through his reads, or at least look like he is.

MVS has a couple of drops but he also had a couple of stellar catches last night too. Given his contract, it's highly unlikely they let him go after this season.

This is the issue the reason why I think Mahomes comes to the line and has already taken a receiver or two out of the play based upon what he is seeing in the defense. He knows he doesn't always get the best pass protection so the decisions have to come quicker.

What we saw last night is exactly who this guy is. He's going to get open downfield and make plays, and he's going to drop balls that make you say WTF. With that contract, you just accept that "it is what it is" and move on.

We'll see. He had one go through his arms in the endzone and dropped one that hit him right in the numbers in the RZ. Kelce's reaction to the RZ drop was interesting.

The one in the end zone was touched by TWO different defenders. He could have still caught it but I'm not putting that on him when both the LB and DB got a hand on it in flight.

The other drop was just a tough break.

If you're going to ding him for those, you have to acknowledge that the long play in the first half was an impressive stab at the ball to bring it in.

If you keep him year 2, you keep him year 3. Only real out is this next year.

Just need to let the season play out.

IIRC it was one, who barely had any effect on the ball. And it went through MVS's hands and arms. Just need to own it.

Tough break or not. You have to make those catches that hit you in the numbers.

Very impressive. Wish they would have him and wish he could stretch the sideline like that more.

It actually was tipped by two defenders. The first slightly broke the spiral en route, and the second was right in front of MVS. A tip right in front of you is really hard to catch since you have almost no time to react. So I don't blame him for that one.

The other drop was horrific, but I'll hope it was a learning experience.

I'll have to go back to look to verify myself, but I was certain it went through one set of hands and then hit MVS right in the bread basket. It was an unfortunate drop, one I bet MVS wishes he had back as well.

The second drop even Andy was visibly upset. Which is a rarity. He better learn from it. The whole thing was weird. Kelce was upset. Mahomes had to pull him off the field. Who knows what was going on there.

He had one bad drop. I'm simply not going to get on him about dropping a pass that two defenders touched before it got to him.

He had two really nice grabs that could have easily been incomplete.

I don't know, feels like we're picking nits here.

I'm not getting on him. Mistakes will need to be addressed and cleaned up. That's it.

Why you picking on him, though? Justin Watson had a similar drop. CEH had the most egregious drop of the season, let alone last night's game.

I mean, why single out MVS when he was actually really good last night?

If I was picking on him I would highlight the penalty he had as well. But that is just being tacky.

No issue with me CEH saying he needs to make those catches. CEH needs to make those catches that hit him in the hands. Only thing I could say about it was it was a little high for mightymite, but he still needs to make that catch last night. At least he is making the catches in the end zone though.

JJSS dropping a perfectly thrown pass in the 4th quarter pissed me and Andy off pretty bad.

Yep. That's how it seemed. He doesn't usually miss somebody that wide open.

I feel kinda bad for Hardman there. But he's got to step up and then he'll look his way more.

At this point you have to start relegating Hardman to punt returner and more of a gadget role. Watson should get the lions share of snaps with skyy getting more and more. Hardman is just taking up space at this point. Mahomes more than anything needs guys smart enough to be in the right places and Watson can at least do that. Skyy can eventually bring that but in the meantime he brings a short yardage wiggle none of our WRs have.

I still believe we need to bring in a WR1 if we can. Doesn’t have to be too 10-15. We are an excellent offense but right now we are that close to being back to our terrifyingly awesome stage again. And the change isn’t that difficult. But our offense right now is plenty scary.

I think you are thinking of the catch that MVS had hit him the numbers at the 5 with 10:55 left in the 4th. Other than that I don't remember Andy being pissed any other time last night.

Possible Hardman warn the wrong route and nobody was supposed to be out there .

It hit him in the numbers and he had a defender draped all over his back. Let's not leave out that part. It's not like he was wide open streaking down the sideline and let it go through his hands.

I don't think he intentionally overlooked him, he wanted something deep and that was Watson. That was broken coverage, I think he assumed Hardman would draw safety back up coverage and Watson would be one on one.

It is an area Mahomes needs to keep maturing. He generally does scan the field, he just didn't do it there.

Just watched it again and that is not true.

The defender didn't even touch him till after the ball came off his hands.

Why does Kelce turn and yell at him?

Can't believe the Chiefs won without Willie Gay and McDuffie.

It is the kind of catch your starters should bring in, not that difficult, he was falling backwards, but it was straight at him, hit him in the hands and it looked like he was wearing pots and pans for hands. Even good ones drop them once in awhile (Kelce dropped one in his hands last week), but that one was definitely a clunker.

Because he dropped the ball.

Why are you so fixated on one ****ing drop?

Yeah, he had a bad drop.

He also had 3 really nice receptions and contributed to the best offensive performance of the season.

Some people are just never ****ing happy.

I noticed that as well. Very rare that you see Andy visibly upset with a player.

He was clearly pissed on that one.

That's not Kelce's character towards a teammate. That was some built up frustration.

I'm not fixated on it. I just said he needs to clean it up and make those catches. Then the OMGGERD crowd comes out and pounces like I have stabbed some one they personally know.

Because it's an extremely odd time to shit on a guy that made a couple of big plays last night against the consensus #1 defense in the NFL.

It absolutely appears like you went looking for a reason to complain about something, anything.

Again, it was the MVS drop at the 5 that he was pissed about. It came at 10:51 in the 4th quarter on a 3rd and 2. It would have been a 1st and goal at the 5. It resulted in a FG.

Not Juju. Juju was targeted once in the 4th and it resulted in Mahomes instead throwing into coverage for the INT while missing McKinnon for an easy 1st down. That happened at 4:52 in the 4th. He even looked at McKinnon and seen he was open. He was playing hero ball. It's okay though. We still won.

It's not shitting on a guy to say he needs to clean it up in those critical situations.

You're taking this way way too personally.

Amazing how much one game changes the perception of the entire organization.

Before the Colts game, everybody's feeling good. After losing a game due to ST and uncommon mistakes, the roster suddenly became weak and full of holes. Rebuilding year and they'll be lucky to crack 20 points the rest of the year. Fast forward another week and the roster is perfect again. LMAO

It isn't personal at all, at least not for me. Sure looks like it might be for you, though.

No, not at all.

I don't seem to be the one upset about it.

I'm not upset at all. What would give you that impression?

I was going to start another thread, but what the hell since everyone is getting pissy about overreactions, I'll throw it in here instead - Karlaftis is disappointing.

Yes, it's too early to come to any conclusion, but after a really good preseason, I was kind of hoping he'd find his way to the QB a little more often. I know he had a nice TFL last night, but his pass rush has been on a Frank Clark level the last 3 weeks.

I know its only PFF and we like them when they give us good grades and are a complete crap organization with QB grades and bad grades, but they have him at a lowly 49.7.

Then you don't have any problem with me saying he needs to clean it up in the RZ and the end zone with the dropsies. Or do you?

I think it's pretty ****ing petty to single out MVS when there was clearly 1) worse drops by others and 2) nothing to bitch about in the first place. We blew out the #1 defense in the NFL.

He has a ton of pressures. The sacks will come. He's young and he's playing opposite a complete non-factor. He looks much better when Dunlap is on the field.

So you are upset?

ROFL

Not in the slightest.

Any way.

I agree there were other drops that didn't need to happen. There were throws that were off that didn't need to happen. Even in the winning games mistakes can be improved upon. But first you have to recognize them.

It's one thing to recognize them. It's another thing to think they're significant enough that they need to be highlighted the day after a big win.

I agree. His pass rush has been somewhat disappointing so far. Hopefully he can develop some moves. I’m not sure if he has the speed/explosiveness and bendability to consistently beat tackles around the edge.

That's exactly what the Chiefs coaching staff is doing today. Do you think they are in the back room still popping tops?

And yes, drops in the red zone and and end zone are significant. The drop in the end zone luckily was manageable. Whether it was slightly tipped on not, it hit in hands exactly where it was supposed to be. Judging by his reaction after the play, he wants that back. The drop at the 5 was significant because it stopped the drive with a FG instead of being 1st and goal at the 5.

He definitely needs to learn some technique. That bull rush that was successful in college won't be as successful with NFL lineman.

I'm going to give him a break as it's only 4 games in though. Not like he is a 4yr vet.

I must have missed the part where we are Chiefs coaches and we're at work today looking through things to improve.

I never said the drops weren't significant. Us pointing them out isn't significant. And when you single out MVS and don't say anything about anybody else, it looks petty.

You know what else stopped a couple of drives? Poor play from OBJ. Notice how the bitching about OBJ essentially stopped after last night? It's not because he played great. It's because people are usually more forgiving after a big win. Unless you have an axe to grind. Those people are easy to spot.

It’s pretty nice to have a game with 41 points against a good defense where it feels like the KC offense still did not reach full potential, whether it’s the dropped passes or Mahomes’ bad decision on the interception. Plenty of room for improvement.

So because we aren't coaches we can't discuss areas to improve?

Just stop with the "petty" nonsense. It isn't sticking.

I've discussed CEH and his drop. OBJ you have no argument from me there. I am wondering if he even is worth being tagged next year.

Considering the tag next year would net a 20% increase in guaranteed money ON TOP of the top 5 salary he's already making this year, I would say the answer is "no".

It is.

Losing sucks. You have the hurt of the loss and still have seek ways to improve. Winning rules. You just have to seek ways to keep improving to keep winning. But at least you don't have the hurt of a loss.

I'm sort of glad someone else has said it. I'm not disappointed in the slightest, he's a rookie and playing with some dross on the other side. BUT, people hyped him far too much from preseason, including me.

As with all the rookies we'll have a better idea by rhe end of the year. Some will be great, some will need time, some won't make it, and some of this you only really know years down the line So far it's pretty promising

Nobody ever gets sacks game in and game out. It's rare even for the best.

Sacks usually come in bunches. Karlaftis could easily have only 4 or 5 games where he gets a sack and still get 8-10.

The amount of pressure he's getting is encouraging. He'll eventually get some sacks.

They went to college together and Wylie has shut out Crosby at least three times that I can remember.