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Direckshun 09-04-2022 02:47 PM

We haven't argued in a while: nearly every Chiefs podcast is wrong, I think.
 
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Almost all the time I spend exercising or working alone or driving, I'm dialing up a Chiefs podcast. I listen to more than most: Time's Ours, Locked On, It's Always Sunny In Chiefs Kingdom, KCSN, 4th and 1, Arrowhead Addict, Arrowhead Pride, Roughing the Kicker. I don't catch all of it but I catch a lot of it.

And this past week, after breaking down the roster, several of these podcasts are, I think, overshooting what the '22 Chiefs may be capable of.

These podcasters -- with the lone exception of Nick Jacobs, whose opinions I find pretty "grounded" -- are all predicting a Super Bowl season. And while that's to be expected of Chiefs-friendly media, it sure as **** makes Chiefs Kingdom toxic by Week 10 as the Chiefs are, say, 5-4 and still trying to get their roster figured out. "We should be the go away favorites for the 1 seed!" we're all being primed to spout in November, when the Chiefs may be trying to just hold onto the AFCW. I just listened to three straight Chiefs podcasts predict the Super Bowl unanimously among their hosts, including KC Lab on KCSN, which is normally more grounded. Maybe Kissel's infected them, I don't know.

I appreciate optimism, but routinely predicting a 13-4 or 14-3 schedule against a bear of a calendar with a rookie secondary and a DL held together with scotch tape is irresponsible. Argue all you want that podcasts have no responsibility, and legally you're right. But if you want to be seen as credible, then c'mon now. Anchor yourselves.

I volunteer as tribute as the Chiefs fan on this board who thinks the Chiefs are going to be very, very good this year but on the outside looking in when it comes to the Super Bowl. Pat Kirwan is one of my favorite analysts and he famously (to me) said on Moving the Chains that "you get two ifs, and that's it." And I think this team exceeds two ifs before we're just pie-in-the-sky dreaming.

Mahomes and Reid are Mahomes and Reid. They are incredible, and when they're clicking, unstoppable. Kelce is a top 3 TE all time. JuJu, Watson, McKinnon, Fortson all have a good rapport with him right now. But it is not yet clear to me that this receiving corps can improve or even match the incredible work Tyreek put in last year. Coming as a guy who hates Tyreek's guts as a human being, there's no question he is just a cheat code who can do things nobody else can do and that there are few answers for. I think the logic of having a team with a ton of options for Mahomes makes sense. But this team is going to have to give MVS a lot of snaps to justify his contract, and I'm not high on him. Skyy and Mecole are a rookie and Mecole. JuJu looks like a damn steal, but all these things in the aggregate... I'm not sure they match what Hill did.

It's possible though, because Mahomes and Reid.

The secondary has a lot of promise, but we're completely lying to ourselves about them. This is a roster corps that we know is built with rookies, and we consistently, collectively know will have "growing pains" -- which is the same thing these podcasters recognize while predicting 13-win seasons. If you're winning 13 games, you're not having growing pains!

Spags is a god at taking a pretty talented secondary and making it look great, so that's an area I know we'll be set at long-term. But growing pains means this secondary is going to have embarrassing blown coverages and bad games that will rack up a couple more losses than they should. I think that Trent McDuffie's camp and preseason has shown a lot of promise that I was skeptical of. It's still undeniable that he's had some bumps along the way and that's going to continue as he develops in live games. Watson and Williams look really good as rookies -- they're going to still get roasted by the AFCW's gamut of excellent receivers. The learning curve can only curve up so fast.

It's possible they're fine, though, because Spags.

But those aren't the two things I think will be really problematic for the team.

First, I don't see solutions for this DL, unless Karlaftis is a truly game-changing talent, which is somebody else than he's shown so far, immediately out of the gate. Aside from Karlaftis (who I think is going to be a really great rookie but is already earning predictions to beat Derrick Thomas' record), the DE position is just not very good. Even Karlaftis, who put some great snaps on tape, is still miles away from the ceiling he's going to reach (that's not a criticism, I don't think: he's a rookie). I have no faith in Clark, I am extremely reticent about the Achilles that Dunlap has, as are the Chiefs who kept 6 DEs just to make sure we'll have bodies. Danna is a rotational guy who's fine. We should have found a way to land Robert Quinn.

The DT position has taken a step backward, I think. We all dumped on Jarran Reed, who didn't justify his contract last year, but he offered some passrushing with good run defense, a combo none of our other DTs have, other than Chris Jones, who is amazing. Nnadi got pushed around a bit in the preseason and offers no passrush, Wharton is always going to be who he is, and Saunders remains a frustrating question mark. Saunders did play well in the preseason, which... I'll just say if Saunders reaches his potential, our DL is going to wreck people. But I've been saying that for a year now.

Thank god our linebackers are amazing, because that will make up for some of the deficiencies of the DTs in front of them. We will not be a bottom 5 rush defense, but we could very realistically be a bottom third unit who Buffalo, Ravens, and Broncos run right over. And our passrush is going to be right where it was last year.

The other big problem I have is out of the Chiefs control: the schedule is just brutal. We face a Chargers team that may very well be better than us, plus Tom Brady in the first four weeks. We play both of the Super Bowl contenders. We play everybody who was in the conference championship games. I would personally argue that the 2022 AFC West is the best division we've ever seen (even better than the 2021 NFC West initially looked and mostly was). And there's a stretch we play three road games consecutively -- which I don't think is very common. I personally struggle to recall the last time we did that? My memory fails me sometimes.

The Chargers loaded up their DL and secondary, finally have an OL and a ton of weapons. The Raiders I'm never super worried about but Adams vs. a rookie secondary will be interesting. The Bills have the best roster in the league right now and I would argue the Bengals got better. I'm not super worried about Russell Wilson but that Broncos team may click. We're going to have to beat some combo of the Chargers, Bills, and Bengals to get to the Super Bowl. Any two of them is a murderer's row.

TL:DR:

Chiefs podcasters are high on their own supply, overlooking problems both manageable and less manageable, to predict the Chiefs are Super Bowl shoo-ins. The Chiefs have a major problem at DL which I fear is going to be their Achilles all season, and a brutal schedule that will take more losses from the team than perhaps this roster deserves. I also have some comparably minor concerns: the rookie secondary, which I think will cost us games, and apparently all of these podcasts think we can replace Hill in the aggregate, whereas I'm not so sure.

Thank you for coming to my TED Talk. Let's argue.

Jewish Rabbi 09-04-2022 02:47 PM

No way am I reading all of your bullshit but go KC Chiefs!

Kiimo 09-04-2022 02:49 PM

Counterpoint: they addressed their biggest problems and got younger, faster and more diverse on both sides of the ball.

Sofa King 09-04-2022 02:50 PM

Good thread. I appreciate you throwing yourself out there.

Rausch 09-04-2022 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 16444120)
No way am I reading all of your bullshit but go KC Chiefs!

TL;DR : He's more of a realist than an optimist.

I think 11-6 is about right. I don't think we get a bye and I don't think we need one. I think we need the rookies to see how hard it is to climb the mountain. I think it's 50/50 if we make it beyond the AFCCG.

Jewish Rabbi 09-04-2022 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 16444124)
TL;DR : He's more of a realist than an optimist.

I think 11-6 is about right. I don't think we get a bye and I don't think we need one. I think we need the rookies to see how hard it is to climb the mountain. I think it's 50/50 if we make it beyond the AFCCG.

All I see is 17-0

rydogg58 09-04-2022 02:52 PM

I read the first paragraph and then scrolled down. I accidentally scrolled too fast and the scroll kept going until it stopped. Kind of like a hockey puck on ice, you know?

Anyways, it looked like a lot of words and I said, **** that, and went back to watching Lake Placid.

Jewish Rabbi 09-04-2022 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by rydogg58 (Post 16444128)
I read the first paragraph and then scrolled down. I accidentally scrolled too fast and the scroll kept going until it stopped. Kind of like a hockey puck on ice, you know?

Anyways, it looked like a lot of words and I said, **** that, and went back to watching Lake Placid.

Same but watching Brazzers

Kman34 09-04-2022 02:54 PM

Let’s just take it one game at a time… Nothing is as it seems in a NFL season..

Direckshun 09-04-2022 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 16444122)
Counterpoint: they addressed their biggest problems and got younger, faster and more diverse on both sides of the ball.

Agreed on the 2nd point.

The 1st point: the biggest problem was the DL. I think the DL is their biggest problem this year. I don't think they addressed it. They literally let Ingram/Reed walk and replaced them with Karlaftis/Dunlap.

Is that "addressing" it? Not sufficiently, I don't think.

Direckshun 09-04-2022 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sofa King (Post 16444123)
Good thread. I appreciate you throwing yourself out there.

Want to go in halfsies on a clawfoot bathtub?

Rausch 09-04-2022 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 16444129)
Same but watching Brazzers

Does the site play nice with the garbage browser on the PS4? I mostly use that for my bedroom content and I'd love to throw some painal on at high volume by accident to wake the wife up one night.

On the screen I mean, not on her...initially.

Direckshun 09-04-2022 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 16444124)
TL;DR : He's more of a realist than an optimist.

I think 11-6 is about right. I don't think we get a bye and I don't think we need one. I think we need the rookies to see how hard it is to climb the mountain. I think it's 50/50 if we make it beyond the AFCCG.

I think it's 50/50 we make it to the AFCCG.

Mahomes on a mission is hard to bet against, but even if we're clicking on all cylinders, goddamn the Chargers/Bills/Bengals look good.

Demonpenz 09-04-2022 02:58 PM

lets ride

Kiimo 09-04-2022 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 16444134)
Agreed on the 2nd point.

The 1st point: the biggest problem was the DL. I think the DL is their biggest problem this year. I don't think they addressed it. They literally let Ingram/Reed walk and replaced them with Karlaftis/Dunlap.

Is that "addressing" it? Not sufficiently, I don't think.

You think the DL was a bigger issue than Nieman and Sorenson getting a ton of snaps and Mathieu making business decisions every play? I don't.

Rausch 09-04-2022 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 16444145)
You think the DL was a bigger issue than Nieman and Sorenson getting a ton of snaps and Mathieu making business decisions every play? I don't.

Exactly.

There's more talent on the D this year as well as the addition through subtraction of the Stepford Husbands...

Bearcat 09-04-2022 03:06 PM

Meh... we all know how bad they looked for 6 weeks last year and they ended 12-5.

You can conservatively say they really should win 10 games this season, because no matter how brutal a schedule might be, 1) it won't look the same as you get into the season for various reasons, and 2) most of the league is garbage. The Chiefs gave up 250 rushing yards in a game last season and looked like ass in multiple games, but having a franchise QB makes up for so many warts, they were an OT game away from another SB.

So, I basically feel like that's a lot of paragraphs to over-correct podcast homers whose job is to be homers for what amounts to the difference in an "irresponsible" 13+ win season and a what, "more responsible" 11-12 win season? And then besides hyping up a guaranteed SB run, let's back track to "only" another AFCCG?

Those games will often be 50/50 match ups and the Chiefs will win some they aren't supposed to win and lose some they were supposed to win.... it's not a crazy bold statement to say they may in fact not win another SB, especially since you could just as easily analyze the warts of every other team out there and come to the same conclusion.

tl;dr.... less podcast listening for the sake of finding things to worry about, more sitting back and enjoying the ride

Direckshun 09-04-2022 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 16444145)
You think the DL was a bigger issue than Nieman and Sorenson getting a ton of snaps and Mathieu making business decisions every play? I don't.

Mathieu's play on the field was not as bad down the stretch as we make it out to be. There were not games where he was being exposed with any regularity. He was a king-sized distraction off the field, however.

Sorensen and Niemann were horrendous and have been thankfully upgraded.

But, yes. I think the DL is the most important position on the team other than QB. And we're just not investing in it the way I'd like us to.

Direckshun 09-04-2022 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 16444157)
Meh... we all know how bad they looked for 6 weeks last year and they ended 12-5.

You can conservatively say they really should win 10 games this season, because no matter how brutal a schedule might be, 1) it won't look the same as you get into the season for various reasons, and 2) most of the league is garbage. The Chiefs gave up 250 rushing yards in a game last season and looked like ass in multiple games, but having a franchise QB makes up for so many warts, they were an OT game away from another SB.

So, I basically feel like that's a lot of paragraphs to over-correct podcast homers whose job is to be homers for what amounts to the difference in an "irresponsible" 13+ win season and a what, "more responsible 11-12 win season? And then besides hyping up a guaranteed SB run, let's back track to "only" another AFCCG?

Those games will often be 50/50 match ups and the Chiefs will win some they aren't supposed to win and lose some they were supposed to win.... it's not a crazy bold statement to say they may in fact not win another SB, especially since you could just as easily analyze the warts of every other team out there and come to the same conclusion.

tl;dr.... less podcast listening, more sit back and enjoy the ride

Perhaps there's too much focus on the win totals, which I have added to, so mea culpa.

But win totals are a window into how good your team is supposed to be. A 13 , 14 win team is absolutely dominant and should make the Super Bowl. A 10-11 win team is a very good team but on the outside looking in.

Halfcan 09-04-2022 03:09 PM

Did you even watch the preseason games? Our first-team defense gave up 0 points and barely even any 1st downs...that is pretty damned good scotch tape.

RaidersOftheCellar 09-04-2022 03:10 PM

I don’t have the patience to read all that right now, but I’ll say that anyone putting a modest ceiling on this team may ultimately look foolish.

There are question marks, and we don’t know how much the rookie class is ready to contribute, but on paper this might be the deepest and most talented Chiefs team ever.

Jewish Rabbi 09-04-2022 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 16444139)
Does the site play nice with the garbage browser on the PS4? I mostly use that for my bedroom content and I'd love to throw some painal on at high volume by accident to wake the wife up one night.

On the screen I mean, not on her...initially.

You better Belize it

Titty Meat 09-04-2022 03:11 PM

All chiefs podcasts and local talk shows are trash

FlaChief58 09-04-2022 03:14 PM

Tl;dr

THE CHIEFS ARE GOING TO WIN THE SUPER BOWL!

Rausch 09-04-2022 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 16444169)
You better Belize it

My friend will be very happy to learn that...

SuperBowl4 09-04-2022 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 16444127)
All I see is 17-0

I see 20-0 :thumb:

Bearcat 09-04-2022 03:18 PM

The first thing to pop up on my reddit feed was an NFL bold prediction thread, and the OP's bold prediction is the Chiefs don't make the playoffs, heh.

Direckshun 09-04-2022 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan (Post 16444165)
Did you even watch the preseason games? Our first-team defense gave up 0 points and barely even any 1st downs...that is pretty damned good scotch tape.

I'm going to be completely honest here: I don't really care how the team does against the Bears and the Commanders. This is a Super Bowl window for us. What matters is how we perform against the Chargers, Bills, and Bengals.

This is a very, very good team, and it should do what it did against those two crappy teams.

Mahomes scored TDs every drive and the defense played pretty darn well. Those are encouraging developments. I'm not trying to argue that the Chiefs or their defense are bad.

Halfcan 09-04-2022 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 16444178)
The first thing to pop up on my reddit feed was an NFL bold prediction thread, and the OP's bold prediction is the Chiefs don't make the playoffs, heh.

ROFL

But the Faders, Donks and Chargers all "loaded up" with players their teams chose not to resign.

Our 1st team offense was perfect and so was our 1st team defense during the preseason. The rest of the AFC West teams looked average at best.

Direckshun 09-04-2022 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 16444167)
I don’t have the patience to read all that right now,

ooooooooo I bet that won't stop you from having a bold judgment of the OP though

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 16444167)
but I’ll say that anyone putting a modest ceiling on this team may ultimately look foolish.

boom, baby!

Or is it a boom-baby? In my head I see a 50% chance of the AFCCG and, like, a 15% chance at the Super Bowl.

That's not modest, right? Objectively, that's a great perspective entering the season.

But compared to podcasts and Planeteers who seemingly have this team at 100% and 80%, respectively, I'm Eeyore.

RunKC 09-04-2022 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 16444158)
Mathieu's play on the field was not as bad down the stretch as we make it out to be. There were not games where he was being exposed with any regularity. He was a king-sized distraction off the field, however.

Sorensen and Niemann were horrendous and have been thankfully upgraded.

But, yes. I think the DL is the most important position on the team other than QB. And we're just not investing in it the way I'd like us to.

Our staff had to have looked at this defense and the first thing sticking out couldn’t have been the pass rush. It wasn’t even the first 3 things. What stuck out to me was this: we could not cover, we were slow and there was no passion or identity anymore.

Anthony Hitchens? Old and slow. Daniel Sorenson? Old and slow. Tyrann Matheiu? Old and didn’t care anymore. Mike Hughes? Terrible. Ben Neimann? Slow and terrible.

We had to replace 3 starters in our secondary + depth. It just had to happen. Go watch that Bills playoff game and tell me the secondary wasn’t the biggest problem?

The pass rush is definitely a big question mark but I think next year will be heavily focused on upgrading that in a major way.

I don’t think we’re going to the SB, but another championship game appearance wouldn’t surprise me. I do think that if this class hits for us it opens up so many possibilities the next 3 years.

Money will be available, lots of draft picks and young cheap talent spread across the roster.

srvy 09-04-2022 03:38 PM

I made it to "I listen to more than most" which was far enough.

Direckshun 09-04-2022 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 16444201)
Our staff had to have looked at this defense and the first thing sticking out couldn’t have been the pass rush. It wasn’t even the first 3 things. What stuck out to me was this: we could not cover, we were slow and there was no passion or identity anymore.

Anthony Hitchens? Old and slow. Daniel Sorenson? Old and slow. Tyrann Matheiu? Old and didn’t care anymore. Mike Hughes? Terrible. Ben Neimann? Slow and terrible.

We had to replace 3 starters in our secondary + depth. It just had to happen. Go watch that Bills playoff game and tell me the secondary wasn’t the biggest problem?

The pass rush is definitely a big question mark but I think next year will be heavily focused on upgrading that in a major way.

I don’t think we’re going to the SB, but another championship game appearance wouldn’t surprise me. I do think that if this class hits for us it opens up so many possibilities the next 3 years.

Money will be available, lots of draft picks and young cheap talent spread across the roster.

Honestly, I think we’re pretty close together on the issues here.

The big difference: the Chiefs absolutely knew DL was a weakness. Veach said so. I think they were in on Von Miller (just guessing) and later Quinn. Neither worked out so they kept Clark at a reduced rate and signed Dunlap. Drafted Karlaftis, which they should have done no matter what, and the value at DT was poor in the draft.

Direckshun 09-04-2022 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by srvy (Post 16444205)
I made it to "I listen to more than most" which was far enough.

Ever watch Justified?

Read my posts in Boyd Crowder’s voice

R Clark 09-04-2022 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 16444158)
Mathieu's play on the field was not as bad down the stretch as we make it out to be. There were not games where he was being exposed with any regularity. He was a king-sized distraction off the field, however.

Sorensen and Niemann were horrendous and have been thankfully upgraded.

But, yes. I think the DL is the most important positionMat on the team other than QB. And we're just not investing in it the way I'd like us to.

Bullshit Matthieu sucked big time no doubt about it

DaFace 09-04-2022 03:59 PM

I'm admittedly a weird sports fan, but I'm more excited for this season because it's more interesting to see something new and to watch the story unfold of how this new group of guys can gel. However, I don't necessarily think our odds of winning a Super Bowl are as high this year as they were last year. And that's OK.

tyecopeland 09-04-2022 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 16444134)
Agreed on the 2nd point.

The 1st point: the biggest problem was the DL. I think the DL is their biggest problem this year. I don't think they addressed it. They literally let Ingram/Reed walk and replaced them with Karlaftis/Dunlap.

Is that "addressing" it? Not sufficiently, I don't think.

You're worries about replacing Reed? What did that dude do that was so hard to reproduce?

You can be worried about the d line but Dunlap and karlaftis should be more than what Ingram brought. And Reed was nothing that a little improvement from Wharton and saunders won't cover. Was it enough? Who knows, but that sure as shit feels like an upgrade.

RaidersOftheCellar 09-04-2022 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 16444186)
ooooooooo I bet that won't stop you from having a bold judgment of the OP though



boom, baby!

Or is it a boom-baby? In my head I see a 50% chance of the AFCCG and, like, a 15% chance at the Super Bowl.

That's not modest, right? Objectively, that's a great perspective entering the season.

But compared to podcasts and Planeteers who seemingly have this team at 100% and 80%, respectively, I'm Eeyore.

I didn’t judge any takes. I was just putting that out there.

Bottom line is that this organization has earned the benefit of the doubt. And as long as Reid is here and Mahomes is in his prime, the floor will be pretty high.

Direckshun 09-04-2022 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar (Post 16444247)
I didn’t judge any takes. I was just putting that out there.

Bottom line is that this organization has earned the benefit of the doubt. And as long as Reid is here and Mahomes is in his prime, the floor will be pretty high.

That’s actually straight up true about benefit of the doubt.

This team as currently constructed *should* have problems with the Bill, Chargers, and Bengals.

But all Mahomes does is make AFCCGs. So it’s hard to dock him any more than as a 50% shot.

Direckshun 09-04-2022 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by tyecopeland (Post 16444245)
You're worries about replacing Reed? What did that dude do that was so hard to reproduce?

You can be worried about the d line but Dunlap and karlaftis should be more than what Ingram brought. And Reed was nothing that a little improvement from Wharton and saunders won't cover. Was it enough? Who knows, but that sure as shit feels like an upgrade.

Unless you want to go down this rabbit hole of Jarran Reed, I’ll refrain other than to say that if Saunders can take off and hit what he’s capable of, a LOT of flaws on this DL disappear in a hurry.

srvy 09-04-2022 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 16444213)
Ever watch Justified?

Read my posts in Boyd Crowder’s voice

I have never watched it. Maybe you can give me the notes from your notebook.

kccrow 09-04-2022 04:54 PM

I don't listen to any podcasts, so I'll take your word for it on the positivity as I'm sure it mimics this board.

I'm going to say it does look like this Chiefs team could be fighting for a playoff spot simply because of the strength of the schedule, including a strong division, coupled with a young secondary and weak defensive line.

The other contenders for spots, in my opinion, are:

Buffalo Bills
Cincinnati Bengals
Tennessee Titans
Los Angeles Chargers
Baltimore Ravens
Indianapolis Colts
New England Patriots
Miami Dolphins
Denver Broncos
Las Vegas Raiders

The saving grace here is that the Colts and Titans, despite an otherwise weak division, play the AFC West and the Patriots and Dolphins play the AFC North and NFC North where they'll hit the Bills, Bengals, Packers, and Vikings.

We all know that the Chiefs' offense is talented, and it will be so long as there is a passable offensive line and Patrick Mahomes under center. This offense though has a chance to be special in my opinion. The depth of talent at WR is far superior to anything Pat has had to date. It may not have the ultimate cheat code in Tyreek anymore, but I'm not going to pretend that JuJu isn't capable of a 1300-yard season and every other spot is better. The Chiefs also have more speed at RB than they've ever had with Pacheco and McKinnon, which could lead to some big plays out of the backfield.

But it's not the offense to worry about. Most specifically, it's the defense and that secondary.

Rashad Fenton has never been a full-time starter and in his season with his most action (2021), he gave up a relatively atrocious 68.5% completions. His saving grace was it wasn't for a great many yards. He was actually far worse in yards given up in 2020 on a still less than stellar 62.1%. So, we'll have to hope Fenton takes the next step because more snaps mean even more yards.

With Sneed in the slot, the next 3 CBs after Fenton are all rookies and a Chris Lammons, who hasn't taken meaningful snaps since his first year which was in Miami (not to mention his looming case with Alvin Kamara in LV). Sure, McDuffie is a first-round pick but he's going to have his struggles and the rest of the rookies even more so. You hope McDuffie is as good as Paulson Adebo was in NO as a rookie, which was pretty good for a rookie. So far, Fenton has been a bit knicked up during the pre-season.

If Fenton and Sneed don't stay healthy for the full tilt, this secondary is in trouble no matter how good the safety group is which, by the way, looks to be rock solid. Veach would have been smart, in my opinion, to stock a couple of vet CBs on the PS. He doesn't even have one.

This isn't even talking about the defensive line, which has obvious concerns. The first issue lies with the vets. Dunlap was signed to take pressure off of Karlaftis as a rookie and help hedge some of the problems with performance with Frank Clark, but he already has a tweaked Achilles which usually leads to a tear at some point during the season. I'm worried there. Frank Clark dropped weight but now he looks too light. We'll see, but I'll never attach much hope to Frank Clark.

Then, you have the youth. Karlaftis is a rookie and, like McDuffie and the secondary, is going to learn on the fly how long and difficult an NFL season is and especially if/when they get to the playoff stretch. I like the strides Mike Danna has taken but he just doesn't look yet like a guy that will be an impact player. He looks like a solid 1st and 2nd down end but he doesn't look like he's going to get you a ton of pressure on the QB. He may have reached the point of at least Alex Okafor if that's saying much. We don't know what Mike Herring is, but he didn't look like much of a pass rusher either. I thought Josh Kaindoh should have been cut, so I guess we'll see where that ends up.

Overall, we're dealing with a lack of pass rushers. The Chiefs don't really have a rotational pinch hitter to get after the QB. My opinion is that Veach would be smart to swing a late rounder for a flash-in-the-pan that can at least get some pressure situationally. Maybe that guy isn't out there for the taking though.

We really could be looking at the 2018 Chiefs but the schedule is tougher. The Chiefs have to take some out-of-division games against good opponents and they can't give up the gimmes because they will, undoubtedly, lose a couple of division tilts.

Overall, I don't think playoffs are out of the realm of possibility or even likelihood, but I don't expect 13-14 wins and I don't expect this team to go far. I'm leaning towards 10-7 with 11-6 as a maybe. Anything more than that might be a bit overzealous. As for advancing through the gauntlet in the playoffs, that may be too tall a task for the defense.

Rausch 09-04-2022 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by srvy (Post 16444285)
I have never watched it. Maybe you can give me the notes from your notebook.

It's worth watching. Very good...

Pitt Gorilla 09-04-2022 04:58 PM

Chiefs schedule is insane, so I agree that we may fall back a bit. Honestly, just get into the tournament and go from there.

Pitt Gorilla 09-04-2022 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 16444213)
Ever watch Justified?

Read my posts in Boyd Crowder’s voice

Maybe the best TV character ever, IMO.

Rausch 09-04-2022 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 16444299)
Chiefs schedule is insane, so I agree that we may fall back a bit. Honestly, just get into the tournament and go from there.

Keep in mind that every year injuries happen to good teams and teams we thought would be good fall flat.

It also means some bad teams will actually be good this year but there really aren't many bad teams on this schedule so that's not much of a worry.

As long as we aren't the good team to come up short we're looking at 11-13 wins again this year...

threebag 09-04-2022 05:05 PM

Tell your mom we all said hi

Bl00dyBizkitz 09-04-2022 05:15 PM

Additional question

If the Chiefs offense starts to struggle, how long will it take for the entire fanbase to throw Bienemy under the bus? Because I have no doubt in my mind its going to happen.

Rausch 09-04-2022 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bl00dyBizkitz (Post 16444314)
Additional question

If the Chiefs offense starts to struggle, how long will it take for the entire fanbase to throw Bienemy under the bus? Because I have no doubt in my mind its going to happen.

The offense has always had periods of struggling. Pat's first year starting was legendary but what happened last year happened with Smith at QB as well. Andy's teams get in these funks they have to work out of.

I think that would happen with or without Bienemy.

kccrow 09-04-2022 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by threebag (Post 16444305)
Tell your mom we all said hi

Sticking to things you know well, huh? I mean, don't strain your tiny little brain too hard.

Direckshun 09-04-2022 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by srvy (Post 16444285)
I have never watched it. Maybe you can give me the notes from your notebook.

It was actually a clipboard, but I’ll let your hate for diligence stand.

Wilson8 09-04-2022 05:37 PM

Each NFL team will be committing everything they can to win against KC. It's not going to be easy.

From the September 11th, Arizona Cardinals to the January 8th, Los Vegas Raiders the games the NFL plays KC will be the most important contest of the year for the team opposing us. That is the problem with having the success that the Chiefs have had. Every team wants and needs to bring Kansas City down. Hell, the whole NFL wants the Chiefs to be beaten by the Chargers, the Raiders, the Bills, etc...

The Chiefs are a BETTER team than they were last year but what they have to have is a total buy in from each Chiefs player that each play is important and the Chiefs need them to perform. Unfortunately, KC in the past has developed a culture within SOME players where they would wait for Patrick Mahomes to ride in and save the day. It was why bust my butt. We will win this game. The few times that Patrick has been injured in the past two years, you see a renewed charge by KC players to win.

The Chiefs need to know that the NFL is after them and they better be ready for it. The Chiefs need that type of player effort because that's what other teams will be throwing at us.

srvy 09-04-2022 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 16444326)
It was actually a clipboard, but I’ll let your hate for diligence stand.

I've diligently taken field notes for over 40 years as a land surveyor. But never had any reason to take notes in a profession I'm not qualified for.

My guess is Noone is paying you to take notes at a football camp. So you most likely looked like an idiot.

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scho63 09-04-2022 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 16444122)
Counterpoint: they addressed their biggest problems and got younger, faster and more diverse on both sides of the ball.

This. :clap:

MarkDavis'Haircut 09-04-2022 06:53 PM

Congratulations, OP.

You discovered that podcasts use outlandish claims to drive up viewership. Credibility means nothing; it is about gaining attention. Folks claim to want solid commentary. They don't. They want optimistic outlooks and entertainment. They want hot takes.

Halfcan 09-04-2022 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by srvy (Post 16444344)
I've diligently taken field notes for over 40 years as a land surveyor. But never had any reason to take notes in a profession I'm not qualified for.

My guess is Noone is paying you to take notes at a football camp. So you most likely looked like an idiot.

Sent from my SM-G986U1 using Tapatalk

LMAO

How else would we know that McDuffie sucks and the D line is held together with Scotch tape?

Halfcan 09-04-2022 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16444296)
I don't listen to any podcasts, so I'll take your word for it on the positivity as I'm sure it mimics this board.

I'm going to say it does look like this Chiefs team could be fighting for a playoff spot simply because of the strength of the schedule, including a strong division, coupled with a young secondary and weak defensive line.

The other contenders for spots, in my opinion, are:

Buffalo Bills
Cincinnati Bengals
Tennessee Titans
Los Angeles Chargers
Baltimore Ravens
Indianapolis Colts
New England Patriots
Miami Dolphins
Denver Broncos
Las Vegas Raiders

The saving grace here is that the Colts and Titans, despite an otherwise weak division, play the AFC West and the Patriots and Dolphins play the AFC North and NFC North where they'll hit the Bills, Bengals, Packers, and Vikings.

We all know that the Chiefs' offense is talented, and it will be so long as there is a passable offensive line and Patrick Mahomes under center. This offense though has a chance to be special in my opinion. The depth of talent at WR is far superior to anything Pat has had to date. It may not have the ultimate cheat code in Tyreek anymore, but I'm not going to pretend that JuJu isn't capable of a 1300-yard season and every other spot is better. The Chiefs also have more speed at RB than they've ever had with Pacheco and McKinnon, which could lead to some big plays out of the backfield.

But it's not the offense to worry about. Most specifically, it's the defense and that secondary.

Rashad Fenton has never been a full-time starter and in his season with his most action (2021), he gave up a relatively atrocious 68.5% completions. His saving grace was it wasn't for a great many yards. He was actually far worse in yards given up in 2020 on a still less than stellar 62.1%. So, we'll have to hope Fenton takes the next step because more snaps mean even more yards.

With Sneed in the slot, the next 3 CBs after Fenton are all rookies and a Chris Lammons, who hasn't taken meaningful snaps since his first year which was in Miami (not to mention his looming case with Alvin Kamara in LV). Sure, McDuffie is a first-round pick but he's going to have his struggles and the rest of the rookies even more so. You hope McDuffie is as good as Paulson Adebo was in NO as a rookie, which was pretty good for a rookie. So far, Fenton has been a bit knicked up during the pre-season.

If Fenton and Sneed don't stay healthy for the full tilt, this secondary is in trouble no matter how good the safety group is which, by the way, looks to be rock solid. Veach would have been smart, in my opinion, to stock a couple of vet CBs on the PS. He doesn't even have one.

This isn't even talking about the defensive line, which has obvious concerns. The first issue lies with the vets. Dunlap was signed to take pressure off of Karlaftis as a rookie and help hedge some of the problems with performance with Frank Clark, but he already has a tweaked Achilles which usually leads to a tear at some point during the season. I'm worried there. Frank Clark dropped weight but now he looks too light. We'll see, but I'll never attach much hope to Frank Clark.

Then, you have the youth. Karlaftis is a rookie and, like McDuffie and the secondary, is going to learn on the fly how long and difficult an NFL season is and especially if/when they get to the playoff stretch. I like the strides Mike Danna has taken but he just doesn't look yet like a guy that will be an impact player. He looks like a solid 1st and 2nd down end but he doesn't look like he's going to get you a ton of pressure on the QB. He may have reached the point of at least Alex Okafor if that's saying much. We don't know what Mike Herring is, but he didn't look like much of a pass rusher either. I thought Josh Kaindoh should have been cut, so I guess we'll see where that ends up.

Overall, we're dealing with a lack of pass rushers. The Chiefs don't really have a rotational pinch hitter to get after the QB. My opinion is that Veach would be smart to swing a late rounder for a flash-in-the-pan that can at least get some pressure situationally. Maybe that guy isn't out there for the taking though.

We really could be looking at the 2018 Chiefs but the schedule is tougher. The Chiefs have to take some out-of-division games against good opponents and they can't give up the gimmes because they will, undoubtedly, lose a couple of division tilts.

Overall, I don't think playoffs are out of the realm of possibility or even likelihood, but I don't expect 13-14 wins and I don't expect this team to go far. I'm leaning towards 10-7 with 11-6 as a maybe. Anything more than that might be a bit overzealous. As for advancing through the gauntlet in the playoffs, that may be too tall a task for the defense.

ROFL

So a team that has gone to the last 4 AFC Championship games, has a faster / younger defense, the Best coach in the NFL and the Best QB / TE combo--is going to be fighting for a playoff spot??

Laughable.

Bearcat 09-04-2022 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun (Post 16444326)
It was actually a clipboard, but I’ll let your hate for diligence stand.

Have you ever gone back to check notes on how right or wrong you were on certain players, season outcomes, etc?

Kiimo 09-04-2022 07:39 PM

Imagine sitting around listening to podcasts all day so you can find one that says we won't be good.

What's the use of that kind of fandom if you aren't optimistic about a team that has been to the AFC championship four years in a row coached by Reid and helmed by Mahomes?

Because you anticipate injuries???? Seriously? That's some world class pessimism, GTFO with that nonsense.


Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16444296)
Overall, I don't think playoffs are out of the realm of possibility or even likelihood, but I don't expect 13-14 wins and I don't expect this team to go far. I'm leaning towards 10-7 with 11-6 as a maybe. Anything more than that might be a bit overzealous. As for advancing through the gauntlet in the playoffs, that may be too tall a task for the defense.


Nobody wants to read this shit. Go cry into your wet blanket alone in the basement.

FAX 09-04-2022 07:44 PM

IMHO, the success (or lack thereof) of the season rests on the first 6 games.

If we make it through that with a winning record, I think we'll be okay.

So let's make sure that we handle the Game Day Thread-Things appropriately.

FAX

gold_and_red 09-04-2022 07:49 PM

KC could field a poorer record and still win the AFC. If Cincy could win two road playoff games last year then anything is possible especially with Mahomes. It all depends on how teams look in Dec/Jan.

Red Dawg 09-04-2022 07:51 PM

The AFC is rough right now. We need the pass rush to show up in big games. We have the toughest schedule any team has ever had. If they don't it will be very tough to win it all. Defense still matters that why Faiders and Chargers paid big bucks for it.

Wilson8 09-04-2022 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAX (Post 16444438)
IMHO, the success (or lack thereof) of the season rests on the first 6 games.

If we make it through that with a winning record, I think we'll be okay.

So let's make sure that we handle the Game Day Thread-Things appropriately.

FAX

Completely agree!!!

Who's in charge of that? Who's the backup and the backup to the backup?

We don't want any mistakes. If you get a finger pull or something during practice, be sure to have the trainer take a look.

threebag 09-04-2022 07:57 PM

We had a poll last year and the winner didn’t get to do it because some attention whore lost the Whit for us. I think we go with big nasty KC nut, he’s a winner and The Catch would like to taste his babies

threebag 09-04-2022 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kccrow (Post 16444320)
Sticking to things you know well, huh? I mean, don't strain your tiny little brain too hard.

Good, I was wondering if you would know I was talking to you. Maybe she’ll let me punt that pussy like she’s 17

Vladimir_Kyrilytch 09-04-2022 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi (Post 16444127)
All I see is 17-0

The Chiefs will be favored in every single game they play JR. It is possible they actually will go undefeated.

ChiefBlueCFC 09-04-2022 08:05 PM

Go my favorite sports team, THE CHIEFS OF KANSAS CITY, MISSOURI!!!

Direckshun 09-04-2022 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by srvy (Post 16444344)
I've diligently taken field notes for over 40 years as a land surveyor. But never had any reason to take notes in a profession I'm not qualified for.

My guess is Noone is paying you to take notes at a football camp. So you most likely looked like an idiot.

Sent from my SM-G986U1 using Tapatalk

Check necessary disclaimer #3 in the OP.

Direckshun 09-04-2022 08:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wilson8 (Post 16444335)
Each NFL team will be committing everything they can to win against KC. It's not going to be easy.

From the September 11th, Arizona Cardinals to the January 8th, Los Vegas Raiders the games the NFL plays KC will be the most important contest of the year for the team opposing us. That is the problem with having the success that the Chiefs have had. Every team wants and needs to bring Kansas City down. Hell, the whole NFL wants the Chiefs to be beaten by the Chargers, the Raiders, the Bills, etc...

The Chiefs are a BETTER team than they were last year but what they have to have is a total buy in from each Chiefs player that each play is important and the Chiefs need them to perform. Unfortunately, KC in the past has developed a culture within SOME players where they would wait for Patrick Mahomes to ride in and save the day. It was why bust my butt. We will win this game. The few times that Patrick has been injured in the past two years, you see a renewed charge by KC players to win.

The Chiefs need to know that the NFL is after them and they better be ready for it. The Chiefs need that type of player effort because that's what other teams will be throwing at us.

Listen to this man.

Direckshun 09-04-2022 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carr4MVP (Post 16444375)
Congratulations, OP.

You discovered that podcasts use outlandish claims to drive up viewership. Credibility means nothing; it is about gaining attention. Folks claim to want solid commentary. They don't. They want optimistic outlooks and entertainment. They want hot takes.

I would contend that these people are seeking short term highs and long term misery.

lewdog 09-04-2022 08:22 PM

Ceiling 12-5 because the schedule is so tough.

Floor 9-8 because although we are young, we still have a roster that’s got plenty of talent.

Direckshun 09-04-2022 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearcat (Post 16444386)
Have you ever gone back to check notes on how right or wrong you were on certain players, season outcomes, etc?

Yeah, all the time — well not what I’ve scribbled. I end up posting it here and then chuck the paper. Been right a ton, been wrong a ton. Roughly half the forum is saying the same shit about me now that they were saying last year when I predicted Chris Jones at DE would stink.

But stuff I got wrong is more fun, so:

I liked Aaron Parker a ton as a practice squad guy, but he was among the first cuts. I sneaky-liked Austin Edwards at DT but he got cut early too. Very early. Fountain technically made the team, but I believe I meant the 53.

That’s all the returns we have on my silly training camp prediction statements for this year, so far.

Direckshun 09-04-2022 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 16444429)
Imagine sitting around listening to podcasts all day so you can find one that says we won't be good.

LOL Wow. Swing and a miss.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 16444429)
What's the use of that kind of fandom if you aren't optimistic about a team that has been to the AFC championship four years in a row coached by Reid and helmed by Mahomes?

I am optimistic! I think the Chiefs have Super Bowl odds this year!

I just am not as optimistic as some of these dudes are.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 16444429)
Because you anticipate injuries???? Seriously? That's some world class pessimism, GTFO with that nonsense.

I anticipate exactly two injuries: Frank Clark will miss games due to monkeypox or something because he always does, and Dunlap has an Achilles.

Everything else after that is a surprise to me.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 16444429)
Nobody wants to read this shit. Go cry into your wet blanket alone in the basement.

You may go review the unnecessary disclaimer #3 in the OP.

Kiimo 09-04-2022 08:47 PM

Hey man you asked us to argue

Megatron96 09-04-2022 09:01 PM

Definitely foresee some struggles from both the offense and defense to start the season. Not surprising what with all the new faces, particularly all the rookies that are on the roster.

On defense and offense all these new guys and young players are going to have to get comfortable with the playbooks and each other. This was the case in 2019 as well as 2020? Whatever. It took some time, but eventually they got in the groove and their play dramatically improved.

No real reason to think history won't repeat itself to some extent this season. The defense will be up and down through the first half of the season or so, and they'll be playing an abbreviated playbook until everyone gets on the same page. Ditto the offense. It just should click quicker for the offense this time around, with the overall higher quality of the skill players.

But add in the fact that KC is playing 5(?) playoff teams from last season in the first 7 weeks, including four teams that last season owned a top-10 offense last season, and it could be tough sledding for the Chiefs until the bye.

AZ had a top-10 offense last year, and while I'm very optimistic about the defense going into this season, in recent memory the Chiefs have been pretty not good against mobile QBs, and Kyler is among the elite in that category.

Then we get LAC, now with another elite pass rusher in Khalil. And Herbert's no slouch in either passing or running either. Keenan Allen's coming off a career-type year, Ekeler looks to be healthy, M. Williams set a personal best in several categories in 2021.

Then the only cakewalk game is vs. IND, followed by the Bucs (beat us in the SB last we met), LAR with D. Adams, the Bills (that would've beaten us in the playoffs last season except for a coin flip), and the 49ers, that were in the process of beating KC in the SB, until the last 7 minutes happened.

Realistically, if the Chiefs can get to the bye 4-3, even 3-4, I do like our chances down the stretch. The schedule does ease up a bit what with TEN, JAX, HOU and SEA as a bit of a cushion. 11-6 or 12-5 seems pretty doable.

Wilson8 09-04-2022 09:05 PM

OK, the threads that we have on the 2022 KC roster are buried and this thread is about the Chiefs and is active. Let me ask some quick questions.

What the Hell is currently going on with the KC roster?

We heard that Elijah Lee was going to be on the Practice Squad but that was only temporary. He would soon be on the 53.

We heard that Blake Bell was going on IR so he could heal. Are they waiting on doctor reports on him?

Some speculated that Malik Herring was going on IR. After all the Chiefs kept 6 DEs. If so, do they bring back DT Danny Shelton?

Some have speculated that a free agent was still in the works.

Andy Reid said they were going to practice a week and then they were going to take some time off. It seems like Brett's office has closed down too.

It seems like the Chiefs also need to renegotiate some contracts. Overthecap.com shows the Chiefs with the 5th worst cap space with only $1,622,040.

Sorry if I sidetrack this thread for a couple of posts, but what is going on and why the delay?

Damn It! I am ready for some football and want to know who is on this team.

Inquiring minds want to know.

Halfcan 09-04-2022 09:05 PM

Lots of sad sack takes in this thread.

irafreak 09-04-2022 09:23 PM

You hate tyreek as a human being? That's pretty harsh.

Direckshun 09-04-2022 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi (Post 16444509)
Hey man you asked us to argue

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Direckshun 09-04-2022 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wilson8 (Post 16444538)
OK, the threads that we have on the 2022 KC roster are buried and this thread is about the Chiefs and is active. Let me ask some quick questions.

What the Hell is currently going on with the KC roster?

We heard that Elijah Lee was going to be on the Practice Squad but that was only temporary. He would soon be on the 53.

We heard that Blake Bell was going on IR so he could heal. Are they waiting on doctor reports on him?

Some speculated that Malik Herring was going on IR. After all the Chiefs kept 6 DEs. If so, do they bring back DT Danny Shelton?

Some have speculated that a free agent was still in the works.

Andy Reid said they were going to practice a week and then they were going to take some time off. It seems like Brett's office has closed down too.

It seems like the Chiefs also need to renegotiate some contracts. Overthecap.com shows the Chiefs with the 5th worst cap space with only $1,622,040.

Sorry if I sidetrack this thread for a couple of posts, but what is going on and why the delay?

Damn It! I am ready for some football and want to know who is on this team.

Inquiring minds want to know.

I think they just believed they'd have an easier time slipping Lee through than most other players on their roster. But I haven't the slightest idea what's going on with the Bell situation.

I was initially the belief that the Chiefs rostered Herring and Kaindoh to try and trade at least one of them. It doesn't seem like any trades are coming down the pipeline now. In the past, Veach has executed all of his trades ahead of cutdowns.

I'll make a guess: Danny Shelton may just be motivation for Saunders, who started stringing some good practices and games together once Shelton showed up to challenge his spot at the team buffet.


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