Secondary is starting to really come together
 

Thornhill Reid

Sneed McDuffie Fenton

I love this group. Very young. Very athletic. Willing tacklers.

Need to add a 3rd safety in the 3rd or 4th.

Maybe Pitre in the 2nd if you really want to make this group special.

Was McDuffie worth giving up a 3rd round pick though?

Not sold on it.

I know this is unpopular on CP, but 50-50 HB comes back.

Yes. Get over it.

He’s a top 15 player on my board.

It’s more than I expected, but like DJ pointed out, we were probably competing with Buffalo.

We could use another safety that can range.

Looks like Sneed and McDuffie will be moved around depending on matchups.

Probably more Sneed outside while McDuffie plays a lot of slot when more corners on field.

We know.

And we're all cumming together too!!!

I’m honestly trying to be that “doom and gloom” guy. Just not sure if he is worth what we gave up.

I love these people who would rather hold on to a 3rd round pick AND NOT get the highest rated guy on your board.

Would me gouging my eyes out so I never have to read one of your posts again be worth it?

we can tell

Will be even better when we draft one of these excellent safeties tomorrow

Reid literally just said Mcduffie is strictly outside as sneed will be inside. Fenton and Mcduffie are outside and sneed in slot. Very solid tbh

The Chiefs are telling you that McDuffie was so high on their board that they didn’t even hesitate to throw in the 4th too.

It’s fine because he’s such a safe pick.

They didn’t trade up to take a big swing. They traded up to get a sure thing and fill a huge need.

It’s worth it.

There is versatility. They can move a lot of these guys around.

He can do it all, however. Heck of a player. Maybe one of a hand full of players that could do well anywhere you put him in the secondary. He offers more than HB in terms of versatility.

Mcduffie will play on the outside

I still want a veteran edge like Ingram on the cheap. Our d will look pretty nice

easily

Yes, I expect that will happen. We still have some money to spend.

He'd have to come back at less than he made last year and I'm not sure he hasn't burned all his bridges at 1 Arrowhead.. I'm still not sold on Thornhill and it is his contract year. I see a S in the 3rd or 4th. The other option would be to see how Bush works out for us on his 1 year.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The <a href="https://twitter.com/Chiefs?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Chiefs</a> make a big move for a top CB (and my model&#39;s #8 overall prospect) in Trent McDuffie, who allowed 3.1 yards/target in 2021 at Washington (best in FBS, min. 30 targets).<br><br>Could be a key piece to counter the wealth of receiving talent in the AFC come playoff time!</p>&mdash; cynthia frelund (@cfrelund) <a href="https://twitter.com/cfrelund/status/1519867486472007681?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 29, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That would be the ideal situation. It would allow is to ease in our rookie.

Veach clearly has an eye for DB talent. If he traded up in the first for one, then he moves this kid.

Doesn’t seem like he has any holes in his game.

McDuffie fills a need and was a good value at the spot. What’s not to like?

I’m sure we’ll add one.

Pretty certain we’ll draft another DL in the 2nd or 3rd and sign a vet.

Karlaftis falling into our lap was huge.

Exactly.

Obviously he was taken at the right spot, since at least two other teams were after him there.

Veach says they never thought he'd be there at 21. If we had him graded at 15 or so, a third is nothing for moving up from a late first value player at #29 to a mid first value player.

What are we going to get in the third round that's worth missing someone like that?

i feel like veach is going to trade next year's 1st for an elite DE before camp

with the rest of the D falling into place that potentially has an enormous domino effect

He would be back if he took a prove it deal, IMO.

Not too worries about drafting in advance for an eventual starter at S. That spot is pretty plug and play.

Good. Sneed seems close to elite in the slot, but average on the outside. And he gets much more chances to disrupt running plays and screens from the slot.

It's blatant he was one of the 16 guys they had a 1st round grade on and saw him fall to striking distance..

Dude was rated the third best cornerback prospect behind stingley and Gardner. Everything I read about him sounds like he's good and was supposed to be a top 15 pick but fell due to the wide receiver run. Was a legit no brain to trade up for him apparently there was a drop off after him.

Exactly.

And this move also tells me Johnson wasn’t one of those 16, and they were probably comfortable with him or Karlaftis at 30.

There was a big drop off after him. Beach said they didn’t set a visit with him b/c they didn’t think he’d be available. Also, the draft value of the picks we gave up was 261. The value of the pick we got was 262, so it was pretty much dead even.

So far, this is a great draft.

Bless Vrett Beach.

Can you gouge out In58men eyes out instead? I'd be in favor of that.

I don't like his height, I think that's underrated in a db, but doesn't seem to bother people who know way more about fb than me, so... but yeah, I will feel much better after tomorrow. Kid will be good - I don't know much about either of our picks. You guys seem to be mostly happy, so rock-on.

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The average NFL cornerback is 5-foot-11, 193.4 pounds. The average wide receiver: 6-foot-1. .


Trent McDuffie HEIGHT 5'11" WEIGHT 193lbs

ya I was gonna say, you usually hear about a CB that's over 6 ft. The announcers will be like "damn he's 6'1" that's really tall for a CB" or some shit like that. Seems pretty average height for a CB to me :shrug:

McDuffie will be great. He’s smart and won’t make many rookie mistakes. Solid starter with both picks. Chiefs went for high floor guys that will start. We needed instant starters and got two with our first two picks. It’s not as sexy as what I was hoping for but I’m happy.

not going to pout about it - after all they're players for my favorite football team. Let's do go get Pickens tomorrow though, please.

so now the Chiefs are being reactionary?

I liked it better when we controlled the narrative and teams were trying to catch us. .

did you look at arm lengths...or do u think CB play defense with their foreheads?

I think we as Chiefs fans are a little spoiled too when it comes to how Veach has hit on so many players in the secondary without spending premium assets lately (Sneed, Ward, Fenton etc). In reality that just isn’t viable season after season, cornerback was a weakness and Veach addressed it with a guy they think highly of.

Also we don’t really know how the Chiefs front office views this draft in regards to talent in the 2nd-4th rounds when comparing DB to WR for example. Could potentially have a few guys left on their board at the WR position that they feel like are going to be available and still be huge contributors. Don’t have to go very far in history to see some big name WR’s taken in the 2nd round or later (Metcalfe, Kupp, Mclaren, AJ Brown).

Don’t really have a reason to distrust Veach, evaluate the draft with a bit more critical eye after rounds 2-4.

Also need to draft a replacement for Fenton who will more likely be gone after this season cuz he's on the last year his deal. With our draft history in the late rounds hopefully we can find another late round bloomer.

CB was always a need for KC. We lost Hughes and Ward and didn’t replace them in FA

Unless you wanted to go into the season with just Sneed and Fenton while hoping Baker or Bootle play above their heads.

Much rather use a premium pick on a CB (the first time ever in the Veach era). Tired of relying on 4th rounders to fill out the CB position

Think about it from a different angle....

Ward was a "good" corner....he just got $14 mill per. Veach mentioned talented guys with a profile like their first 2 picks likely pan out because of of their work ethic.

If they both turn out to be just good...they likely saved the Chiefs $30-$40 million a year for the next 5 seasons.. Just having someone to get Clark off the books is a nice move. Not being on the hook for $28-$30 mill for Hill...Chiefs are set to be players in FA again. If a WR isnt there at 50...it's not as dire as it once was. They can go BPA and continue to shave off salary to be used elsewhere...

They still have 3 picks in what BV referred to as the "sweet spot" in this draft.....they could double down on CB/DE or take a safety. I would take the more expensive positions if they have the players rated equal...


Chiefs just scored two important positions...and their OL is relatively cheap for 3 more years. This is the model for sustained success in the NFL..

You hate everything. You are insufferable. Worst poster on the forum.

I still want another edge in round 2.

I'll take a Myjai Sanders, Drake Jackson, or Cam Thomas thank you very much.


Pair that with a Pickens, Watson, Pierce, or Metchie at WR and I'm thrilled.

so draft players..and trade them in their prime when they want to get paid.. and repeat?

this plus getting big name veterans is a model for success in the NFL..

last 3 superbowl winners including the Chiefs won because of huge veteran signings not meaningless end of round 1 picks..

JT Woods may be that man in the 4th...Hill was my draft crush in the 1st, then thought maybe Pitre or Brisker in the 2nd, but wouldn't be surprised if BV pulls the trigger in the 4th w/ a "centerfielder" in the 4th to replace Thornhill and keep Reid in the box.

This is setting us up for 2023 and the future

2022 will be a nice year but 2023 will give us an even better chance at winning the SB

I don't think Spags and Veach want HB's attitude in the secondary room influencing these young guys. When he first came to town he had the perfect attitude to turn our defense around. His mentality has changed dramatically since then. Last season his attitude was crap and his lack of desire to tackle was blatant. I can't imagine he would be any better if no one else wanted him and he had to come back and take less money than he thinks he's worth.

but i dont think u do that..i mean apart from Mahomes having a seizure at halftime of the Bengals game this is a team 3 years in a row making the Superbowl..(we do0nt speak of dee ford)
so now you pump the breaks and start a mini rebuild rebuild with unproven guys and guys who have struggled on other teams (MVS, juju, Reid) ..

I think you need the win now mentality with Travis at the end of his career . .and Mahomes moving backwards ..

Sadly we will turn into Green Bay and the Chiefs will continue to sell tickets because of Mahomes..and they will hang their hat on 2019. .

that 2019 Superbowl was won more because of Frank Clartk and Honey Badger then it was because of Mahomes. . I think 2020 and 2021 showed us that mahomes doesnt dictate this teams direction...nort taking anbything away from PAtrick..hes amazing and I wouldnt want another QB on the team buit hes not as clutch as we hoped

:LOL:

You should probably sit on a shotgun.

At this point, we may be his only option and his value has plummeted.

If we get him for $2-3mil a year, why not :hmmm:

Veach does a lot of damage with scrap picks at cb. He's gotten ward, Fenton, Sneed, breeland for peanuts. A lot of that has to do with spags being particularly great with DBs. So we're not even close to finished. We've got a great nucleus to start with

I wonder if they still do anything with Bradberry.

That would be a nice secondary if you could draft a S and trade for him.

Mahomes looks across the field and thinks, I DO NOT want to become that(Russ Wilson twice a year).

This pick looks to be a good one. He seems highly rated and should thrive here. Spags, with all his faults can coach up a secondary. Look what he has done with CBs drafted much later. He is gonna work wonders with McDuffie.

Most times in the league a WR isn't immediate help. They usually start to make a difference in year 2 or 3. Both our draft picks will be starters in week 1, and the defense is immediately better for it.

This is a ridiculously solid first round. Veach taking advantage of the current NFL landscape. Corners are getting paid, so he got one cost controlled. WR went early so he grabbed a top end corer who slid because of it. Then he patiently waits for a good edge, who slid to us. I know guys wanted Johnson and i did too, but we got a very Trey Hendrickson type guy, someone a lot of us wanted last off season. We raised this d's floor significantly. Now imo we should go after a wr and maybe a high upside DL/DE. Travis Jones, Drake Jackson, Metchie, Tolbert ect. I dont know how anyone could think the sky is falling right now.

Didn’t say anything negative about the player, just wasn’t thrilled about giving up a 3rd and 4th for him. I come here to learn, I wasn’t trying to make it seem like Veach ****ed up or the pick was terrible. Yes, it was a knee-jerk reaction on my part, but everyone is guilty for having one of those at some point or another. He’s growing on me and so is the initial trade.

I think NE probably had multiple offers and we needed to get ahead of Bufallo and Greenbay.

I would rather we got a 5th/6th back but you need to get the player.

We still have 3 day 2 picks.

Really, if we were going to employ the strategy teams used against our offense last year, what would we need to do first? Obviously get better in the secondary.

Losing Ward was a fact of life, but we've filled that hole and upgraded one of the safety spots. Sneed is obviously fine. We're maybe one more mid-round find or free-agent signing away from turning the secondary to a strength in one offseason the way we did the o-line last year.

yep..young safties are always better than young recievers...right?

https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/Q8j1...62425556.0.jpg

Shut up you whiny ****. Jesus Christ.

Interesting to use those two games to argue against improving the secondary

How is that guy not banned yet. He just always takes the negative side to troll threads

And more than likely that picture represents one of our corners getting burnt, which happened the entire game

When young receivers screw up it normally doesn’t lead to touchdowns for the other team

Easier to hide bad players on offense than defense

What a steaming runny puddle of shit that guy is.

Context for bolstering the DBs:

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serious question - has their been any feedback about Cornell Powell? Is he even alive? Is he a certified 'JAG' at this point, should we assume?

I know you can't totally evaluate it this way, but -

11 receptions, 266 yards, 3 TD

Neimann
Runs away from Baker and then everyone (TD)
Fenton
Gay and Mathieu miss tackles
Ward (TD)
Blown coverage by Fenton (TD) - this is the one DT Vietnam posted a pic from
Fenton
designed screen/Hitchens
Sneed
Ward
Ward

None of those matchups will happen this year.

Just ban this #$*&

In the draft every pick a good one until proven other wise. Right now we got stud.

If he was a JAG he would’ve seen playing time

Byron Pringle and Demarcus Robinson are JAGs

Banned from a few threads last night, so yeah probably looking at taking the weekend off if he continues to be so hellbent on spewing diarrhea in every thread.