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George Karlaftis
I can't stop fixating on this guy in the first round. The more I see him in the early 20's in mocks, the more I want KC to make the deal to go get this kid.
He reminds me of Ryan Kerrigan and Justin Smith. If he's somewhere in between, he'd be well worth a 20-ish pick. I just like his game. Great power in his punch. Good hand usage. Alot of moves but a staggering bull rush. Great feet. Excellent burst off the snap. What he doesn't have is great bend and agility which negates his speed rush. But those traits, the ones involving power and speed-to-power, those win in the NFL. I don't care about his 40 time. He ran faster than the Bosa brothers. It's fine. He has elite vertical and broad jumps and a respectable bench press. I just imagine the day he gets stronger, and he will. If he learns to use better power rush technique, he's going to be very solid. I think a lot of the lack of sacks this past year was the volume of double-teams and no other real threat on Purdue's defense. You watch his games though and he's putting tackles in the dirt. He's getting hits on the QB. He had a solid win rate as a pass rusher. I love this guy as a SDE prospect. I want him to be a Chief. If you can go out and get a Sam Williams in the 2nd to pair with this guy as a bendier, more athletic WDE, I think you'll have an incredible pair of bookends for the foreseeable future. So, am I missing something? Do I not see some fatal flaw? |
He’s Breeland Speaks 2.0. /s
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Why? All his main accolades/success are against lightweight OTs he pushes those guys around, but when that doesn't work he's neutralized very very low ceiling could be good but not a gamewrecker
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Guys with higher floors and lower ceilings get slept on a bit by the draft nerds. I'm as guilty of it as anyone.
But you're spot on in how he'd fit with someone like Williams or even Ojabo long-term. He's a set and forget SDE and a guy who you can just write into the lineup alongside Clark from Day 1. Then as Ojabo or Williams get up to speed, you have a really nice strength/speed pairing. And like I said, I'd go after Jones/Wyatt to complement the whole thing. If you could get Karlaftis/Jones/Williams with the first 3 selections, you'd absolutely murder this draft. But my philosophical opposition to trading up remains pretty strong this year. |
Karlaftis and Ojabo are my dream picks at 29 and 30.
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I'm still torn between Karlaftis and Cam Thomas.
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I was looking for it but left unimpressed if you want a game changer. |
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The thing is, the idea that he only pushed around lighter guys isn't true.
He pushed around EVERYBODY, including some very very good B1G tackles. |
I'd still be a bit shocked if they actually end up with 2 firsts this year. I think they end up moving one of them for some DE or WR prior to the draft.
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They are not trading a 1st round pick for a WR.
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Most of the teams that needed to clear cap have done so and those that haven't don't have those types of guys to trade, unless you think the Titans are trading us AJ Brown or the 49ers are trading us Nick Bosa. |
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And simultaneously that teams can/should trade us superstar players for them. I don't get him sometimes... |
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That's why you use all the picks. Of the 8 picks in the first 4 rounds, if 4 of those guys earn a 2nd contract, you're in REALLY good shape. And hell, if more of them do, you got 4 years of dirt-cheap production out of them and now have trade assets going into year 4 or at least someone that can help you with comp pick calculations. It's not something worth worrying about when you have about 1/2 a roster under contract for the coming season. |
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If we don’t think Ojabo is a good risk/reward, I’d love to see us get Karlaftis, Cam Thomas AND Sam Williams. That sets this teams pass rush up for the forseable future while replacing what used to be “a dog” in Clark to “a dog” in Williams.
Those 3 in rotation staying fresh would be amazing value. |
I don't think they take 3 edge rushers in one draft. That seems a little extreme.
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I like Karlaftis a lot, but I don't think he makes it past the Cardinals or one of the Eagles 1st round picks, so if we want him we better be prepared to move up.
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Throw some competition in there to complete the overhaul of this DL |
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Putting this in here instead of in the first round mock thread...
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Players that can power rush are absolutely the top rushers year-over-year in the NFL, not speed rushers. There are a few speedy standouts, but they are rare commodities. Ideally, you have a guy with power that can bend a bit better but it's hard to get it all in one package. Do I wish Karlaftis could bend better? Yes. I think he can be taught a few things to help him out. The guys behind him though have much more significant overall issues in their games. My next guy would be Sam Williams from a talent perspective but he has some power issues at this stage. I love his potential, but he has to get stronger and develop much more of a power rush for the NFL and he has to set the edge against the run much better (like most coming from college). Cam Thomas is virtually the same guy as Karlaftis. I like him a lot but very much the same issues and less developed hand play. Ebiketie doesn't really fit a 4-3 very well. I see him as a 3-4 OLB. He's a guy I like a ton but I do worry about his ability to set the edge in the NFL in an even front. Mafe is kind of in that group of guys without a lot of bend but I think he has more than Karlaftis and Thomas. That said I don't think he comes with the same power. He's a nice player but very, very inconsistent. I don't like his production overall. If you can get him to be consistent he could turn out to be a better pro. I don't like his age but its' not a complete deal-breaker. I'd be fine with him as the pick, but he comes with some significant bust potential in my eyes. After this group, I think there's a very big drop-off again either in athleticism or development and I'm really not about to talk about them this early. |
Yeah I'm not sure why anyone is still touting Ebiketie here.
He's not an even-front player. At all. And I'm not 100% sure he even has the first step to be a truly good OLB. He's not on my draft board at all if I'm KC and he'd probably draw a late 2nd/early 3rd grade from me if I ran a 3-4. I'm really confused by the folks that still have him going to KC. It just seems lazy. |
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If Karlaftis had good bend and was a speed rusher he'd be going top 5. There's a reason guys are available at the end of the first. You aren't getting a perfect prospect.
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He does remind me a bit of Harold Landry, though. So there is definitely pro potential there. I just don't see it happening here. |
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There's no such thing as a perfect prospect. Holding out for one is a fool's errand. |
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EVERY DE in this draft isn't a perfect prospect. Walker? Needs work on his passrush. Thibodeaux? Effort issues. Hutchinson? Didn't really do dick before this year. You aren't getting a perfect prospect at DE....no matter where you draft one. |
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O.City would’ve been scared to draft Oweh, Phillips, Ojulari, and Rousseau last year too. |
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I don't have a problem getting a guy like that at the end of the 1st. That's what you're gonna get. I was responding to Tribal with his criticism. Guys that don't have issues aren't available there. They go in the top 5. Your Khalil Macks and Myles Garretts |
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Yeah - I think y'all missed O's point.
And for once he actually has one that makes sense. |
I'm so used to O.City saying something dumb....I just kind of went on autopilot. My bad.
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Karlaftis has better hands than many give him credit for. It's just not as pretty when he wins and looks more like he is relying on power. His game is quite ugly in fact...he looks like he belongs in the 60's/70's. I like him.
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Feels like you just can’t see a good football player when they’re right in front of you. |
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Yep, I missed on Bolton and I admitted it. . I don't hide on bad takes I bet we could find a ****ton of bad takes you had too Thus, my point still stands until proven otherwise |
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You clearly get so caught up in upside and athleticism that you can’t see a guy that’s clearly a good football player for what they are. Karlaftis, like Bolton at the end of the 2nd, would be an excellent value at the end of the 1st. Yes, he’s not going to blow everybody away with his upside/athleticism, but when paired with a high upside guy on the right side (Ojabo or Williams for example), he’s a perfect fit at SDE. |
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He can be good, but won't be a gamewrecker all-pro |
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This is exactly the kind of shit you said about Bolton, hence me bringing it up. You’re proving my point. Again, this isn’t about having a bad take. It’s not a personal attack either. It’s an observation. |
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Trading up in the 1st round is what your projecting. OK, I'll get on your ass about bad takes then too |
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Pretty sure kccrow is the one projecting a trade up, and even then, it’s less than 10 spots. Again, if your expectations are All-Pro outside of the top 20, then you’re being unrealistic. If Karlaftis can be a Justin Smith or Ryan Kerrigan type of player, that’s a damn good pick outside of the top 20. |
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For Karlaftis to be productively consistently with his style he'll have to be prime JJ Watt |
If Karlaftis has a chance at becoming Justin Smith, you won’t have anybody complaining if you moved up a few spots to get him. Nothing crazy and hopefully using a third next year to do so.
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I dont think any edge within our striking distance is an elite enough prospect to trade away extra picks. Especially George.
Receivers that are elite prospects on the other hand, are within striking distance. Including ones with elite measurables and production. I know everyone wants to move up for an edge, but im not about moving up for one that has the same skillset and size as someone we could grab at 29. |
Nate Taylor has us using a 3rd to move up from 29 to 21 w/ the Patriots pick.
I can get behind that. For Karlaftis or Williams or whoever. If the guy they want is sitting there at 21 and all it costs them is a 3rd to get there, I'm game. That's the first suggested trade-up that I can stomach. (Then he goes and blows the rest of the mock by taking Boye Mafe at 30, which is just a bad pick, IMO. Still don't know how you take a 24 yr old rookie w/ productivity and polish issues that high) |
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I projected a trade like that for awhile but I believe it will take a 3rd, 4th and likely a later day 3 pick.
But I don’t think Karlaftis or Johnson will be there so I wonder who that would be for? |
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If Karlaftis falls I'd love to take him. Not sure about trading up for him though.
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I like double dipping on DE but Mafe and Drake Jackson aren’t it. He did take your boy Dulcich. |
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Let's say Williams is available. The Packers are one spot away from that pick and would presumably be willing to 'block' us there. IF you're the Patriots and the Chiefs are on the phone offering a 3rd, you call the Packers and say 'hey, I'm moving out of this spot unless you give me a 3rd to move up 1..." And the Packers probably make that deal. If you're the Chiefs, you're likely gonna have to 'lose' the trade by the draft charts to get up there. And that's where I start saying no-dice. I just want the draft to get here already, dammit. I'm tired of jerking off. |
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Those end of the first picks just aren't as valuable as we all want them to be. IF you can package them somehow to go up and get an impact player, do it. |
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I wish I knew who he had on his board around those picks. I just cannot see a scenario where Mafe and Jackson are the 'right' gets there. I will say that he's pretty tuned into what the Chiefs like and so are some of the other podcast guys - they have sources here and there. And to see Mafe and Logan Hall so routinely noted as possible early picks makes me really nervous. I mean I don't hate either of those guys, but those are late 2nd, early 3rd guys to me. And when someone with a finger on the pulse of the organization suggests that they are really strong considerations....man, I hope that's just a media echo chamber where those guys sit around and talk themselves into the same handful of dudes (y'know, kinda like the CP draft forum) and not a line they're getting from the front office. And NOBODY is talking Sam Williams to the Chiefs. And that gives me a sad. |
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I know and understand you draftniks wanna sit tight and make all those picks and hit on all those draft picks.
I don't think the Chiefs will and or feel the same. |
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I dont' think so. So sure, it's a good draft. It's not generational. |
If they draft a RB with a top 50 pick....well thats not good.
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Unless Veach's presser was a complete smokescreen or an outright lie, the Chiefs absolutely do view it the same way.
If it weren't for the COVID year, this would be one of the worst draft classes in a long time, similar to 2013. There's about 15, maybe 20, blue chip prospects in this class. There's about FIFTY players in that second tier, maybe more, and Veach mentioned it explicitly in his press conference. I'd be willing to concede that picks 29 and 30 aren't all that valuable in a normal year if you're willing to concede that this simply isn't a normal year. |
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That’s not smart. There are so many good players that can be had at the end of the first rd. It’s proven every single year |
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It's definitely bigger this year due to the Covid year, absolutely. |
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https://harvardsportsanalysis.wordpr...l-draft-picks/ But it does seem that a lot of the study being done on this suggests that the curves are MUCH flatter than conventionally believed. A top 10 pick isn't actually 3 times more likely to succeed than a pick at 30 or whatever the 'draft charts' say. I think what the 'large numbers' tend to wash out is the value of the QBs taken that high and what they bring to the table over any other position. But when it comes to the other positions? Seems like there's just not much utility in trading way up to attack them. And that if you believe in the flatter curve, trading back from say 29 to 46 for a 3rd rounder is a no brainer. For the TL;DR crowd, here's a chart this guy made based on the actual on-field performance of draft picks over the last 20 years or so: https://harvardsportsanalysis.files..../11/value3.jpg It's just a MUCH tighter gradient. |
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I need to go back and look at his past ones. |
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