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God of Thunder 02-24-2022 12:41 PM

Per 610 Sports [and Schefter]: EB will return to the Chiefs next season.
 
Don't shoot the messenger

https://www.audacy.com/610sports/spo...n-as-chiefs-oc

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Per source, the Chiefs anticipate Eric Bieniemy will return as their offensive coordinator. Contract isn&#39;t signed yet, but belief is it will get done.<br><br>Chiefs supported Bieniemy as he interviewed with Saints among exploring other opportunities, but also want him back. (1/2)</p>&mdash; Matt Verderame (@MattVerderame) <a href="https://twitter.com/MattVerderame/status/1496872756197134338?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 24, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

BWillie 02-24-2022 12:42 PM

****! GOD DAMN SON OF A BITCH

rabblerouser 02-24-2022 12:42 PM

We already know.

Did they say in what capacity?

No one has said "he will return as OC".

The link I saw said he will "return to the Chiefs sidelines"

Bugeater 02-24-2022 12:45 PM

BAN THE MESSENGER

God of Thunder 02-24-2022 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 16161802)
We already know.

Did they say in what capacity?

No one has said "he will return as OC".

The link I saw said he will "return to the Chiefs sidelines"

Tweet above says OC - but who (not me!) knows.

BWillie 02-24-2022 12:45 PM

Hopefully if he does return, he has NO PLAY calling duties at all. Reid calls all plays. All.

TribalElder 02-24-2022 12:46 PM

Wait I thought there was a season long rift between him and mahomes

Someone is wrong on the internet

Jewish Rabbi 02-24-2022 12:46 PM

Great scoop Clay!

ChiTown 02-24-2022 12:46 PM

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-22-2015/SWK3Ji.gif

Hammock Parties 02-24-2022 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16161817)
Hopefully if he does return, he has NO PLAY calling duties at all. Reid calls all plays. All.

This is likely what happened.

God of Thunder 02-24-2022 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TribalElder (Post 16161819)
Wait I thought there was a season long rift between him and mahomes

Someone is wrong on the internet

No see - that can't be correct! :)

TribalElder 02-24-2022 12:49 PM

If he caused the second half bed shitting during the ****ing championship game to go to the Super Bowl how the **** can they bring him back

DO NOT WASTE SEASONS DURING MAHOMES PRIME

AdolfOliverBush 02-24-2022 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16161817)
Hopefully if he does return, he has NO PLAY calling duties at all. Reid calls all plays. All.

Which would mean EB does what on Sundays? Flick his bean?

ChiTown 02-24-2022 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16161827)
This is likely what happened.

LMAO

God of Thunder 02-24-2022 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TribalElder (Post 16161832)
If he caused the second half bed shitting during the ****ing championship game to go to the Super Bowl how the **** can they bring him back

DO NOT WASTE SEASONS DURING MAHOMES PRIME

And frankly - if there was any rift between him and Mahomes, they'd have NOT brought him back. This shows that there is nothing going on there - at least to me.

ToxSocks 02-24-2022 12:51 PM

Lets get ahead of this now.

"EB Is OC in name only"

"EB is a Shadow OC"

"Chiefs stripped him of all his power and retained the OC name because of Optics"

"They wanted to hire Nagy, but Nagy didn't want to work with toxic EB"

"The Chiefs players hashed it out and agreed they could work with EB afterall"

"The Chiefs removed 'playcalling authority' from EB's contract"


What other bullshit excuses do you have to save face?

Red Dawg 02-24-2022 12:54 PM

I am assuming Mahomes said ok to this. he better have because going against his wishes is bullshit.

EB just won't go away.

rabblerouser 02-24-2022 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TribalElder (Post 16161832)
If he caused the second half bed shitting during the ****ing championship game to go to the Super Bowl how the **** can they bring him back

These excruciating playoff losses where the offense crawls into a shell after jumping out to a giant lead are an Andy Reid signature since he got to KC.

He's done it 3 times in the playoffs since he's been here.

He's done it with Alex Smith and Patrick Mahomes at QB.

He's done it with Nagy and EB at OC.

He's done it with Buttons and Spags at DC.

It's Andy Reid.

Always has been.

There's a pattern.

Rasputin 02-24-2022 12:55 PM

So obviously the "monitors" in one particular thread didn't agree with Chiefs Planet plea.

jallmon 02-24-2022 12:55 PM

Contract still isn't done, yet. There's hope that he gets an offer!

rabblerouser 02-24-2022 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rasputin (Post 16161851)
So obviously the "monitors" in one particular thread didn't agree with Chiefs Planet plea.

There's a bigger agenda at play here.

After NO didn't hire EB as HC or OC, it was a foregone conclusion that he would return to the KC sidelines.

Fish 02-24-2022 01:01 PM

https://www.memecreator.org/static/i...es/4858207.jpg

BWillie 02-24-2022 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdolfOliverBush (Post 16161834)
Which would mean EB does what on Sundays? Flick his bean?

I mainly just one once voice in the ear of Mahomes. Mahomes clearly doesn't like the indecisiveness and the multiple voices.

htismaqe 02-24-2022 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16161870)
I mainly just one once voice in the ear of Mahomes. Mahomes clearly doesn't like the indecisiveness and the multiple voices.

Exactly what I just posted in the other thread.

:bravo:

rabblerouser 02-24-2022 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16161874)
Exactly what I just posted in the other thread.

:bravo:

This thread is so unnecessary and should be merged.

comochiefsfan 02-24-2022 01:09 PM

Andy takes care of his buddies. Even at the detriment of his own team.

We've seen it time and time again.

Red Dawg 02-24-2022 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 16161847)
These excruciating playoff losses where the offense crawls into a shell after jumping out to a giant lead are an Andy Reid signature since he got to KC.

He's done it 3 times in the playoffs since he's been here.

He's done it with Alex Smith and Patrick Mahomes at QB.

He's done it with Nagy and EB at OC.

He's done it with Buttons and Spags at DC.

It's Andy Reid.

Always has been.

There's a pattern.

Yup. I wish he would walk because Clark will never fire him unless Mahomes wants a new coach.

BWillie 02-24-2022 01:11 PM

COMING SOONT!!! How a season-long rift between Mahomes and Bieniemy ruined the AFC Championship caused the Chiefs to hire Bienemy to spite their half-a-billion dollar QB

rabblerouser 02-24-2022 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by comochiefsfan (Post 16161893)
Andy takes care of his buddies. Even at the detriment of his own team.

We've seen it time and time again.

Always.

"You're a great Oline coach and one of my best friends...but I really need a defensive coordinator. And since defense doesn't matter, you can just do whatever, and we can hang after practices and games. Plus, you'll get a fat paycheck. Deal?"

Hammock Parties 02-24-2022 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 16161899)
COMING SOONT!!! How a season-long rift between Mahomes and Bieniemy ruined the AFC Championship caused the Chiefs to hire Bienemy to spite their half-a-billion dollar QB

Andy is now walking around with EB's nuts in a jar.

TwistedChief 02-24-2022 01:15 PM

I'm kinda willing to trust Andy Reid on this one. And the players who publicly supported EB.

I think enough nonsense has been thrown around about what allegedly went on behind the scenes that the man has been unnecessarily poisoned in a lot of our eyes.

Somehow the fact that he can't get a head coaching job is a major indictment of his ability to be an OC for this team? Have we just continued to bring him back as a charity case? Do we really trust journalists like Nate Taylor who are in the building less than people like Clay/Marty/Bill?

And most importantly, how desperate are we to create a narrative that allows us to understand what happened in the second half of the AFCCG? And why has it been so convenient for all the blame to fall on EB?

I'll trust the organization that has made four straight AFCCGs that they know what they're doing. These guys weren't concerned with optics when they stood by Hill, traded for Frank Clark with his history, signed Josh Gordon, signed DeAndre Baker, signed Damon Arnette, but somehow NOW they're only bringing EB back because they're afraid of the public blowback? For real?

Hammock Parties 02-24-2022 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 16161909)
I'm kinda willing to trust Andy Reid on this one. And the players who publicly supported EB.

I think enough nonsense has been thrown around about what allegedly went on behind the scenes that the man has been unnecessarily poisoned in a lot of our eyes.

Somehow the fact that he can't get a head coaching job is a major indictment of his ability to be an OC for this team? Have we just continued to bring him back as a charity case? Do we really trust journalists like Nate Taylor who are in the building less than people like Clay/Marty/Bill?

And most importantly, how desperate are we to create a narrative that allows us to understand what happened in the second half of the AFCCG? And why has it been so convenient for all the blame to fall on EB?

I'll trust the organization that has made four straight AFCCGs that they know what they're doing. These guys weren't concerned with optics when they stood by Hill, traded for Frank Clark with his history, signed Josh Gordon, signed DeAndre Baker, signed Damon Arnette, but somehow NOW they're only bringing EB back because they're afraid of the public blowback? For real?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ec632fQU8AAkyiT.jpg

RetiredSeniorChief 02-24-2022 01:18 PM

Can't get rid of the guy, he's like a bad cold sore.

tyecopeland 02-24-2022 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 16161839)
Lets get ahead of this now.

"EB Is OC in name only"

"EB is a Shadow OC"

"Chiefs stripped him of all his power and retained the OC name because of Optics"

"They wanted to hire Nagy, but Nagy didn't want to work with toxic EB"

"The Chiefs players hashed it out and agreed they could work with EB afterall"

"The Chiefs removed 'playcalling authority' from EB's contract"


What other bullshit excuses do you have to save face?

"The nfl ordered the Chiefs to resign him as OC."

The Franchise 02-24-2022 01:22 PM

I’m to believe that the Chiefs have kept EB on for 4 years now so that he could get a HC job….only to bring him back and strip him of his play calling abilities….which would make it almost impossible for him to get a HC job in the future.

Rasputin 02-24-2022 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 16161909)
I'm kinda willing to trust Andy Reid on this one. And the players who publicly supported EB.

I think enough nonsense has been thrown around about what allegedly went on behind the scenes that the man has been unnecessarily poisoned in a lot of our eyes.

Somehow the fact that he can't get a head coaching job is a major indictment of his ability to be an OC for this team? Have we just continued to bring him back as a charity case? Do we really trust journalists like Nate Taylor who are in the building less than people like Clay/Marty/Bill?

And most importantly, how desperate are we to create a narrative that allows us to understand what happened in the second half of the AFCCG? And why has it been so convenient for all the blame to fall on EB?

I'll trust the organization that has made four straight AFCCGs that they know what they're doing. These guys weren't concerned with optics when they stood by Hill, traded for Frank Clark with his history, signed Josh Gordon, signed DeAndre Baker, signed Damon Arnette, but somehow NOW they're only bringing EB back because they're afraid of the public blowback? For real?


We won a Super Bowl with EB we can do it again.

Hammock Parties 02-24-2022 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16161925)
I’m to believe that the Chiefs have kept EB on for 4 years now so that he could get a HC job….only to bring him back and strip him of his play calling abilities….which would make it almost impossible for him to get a HC job in the future.

He doesn't have much choice. He is toxic and incompetent the more authority he gets.

tyecopeland 02-24-2022 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16161925)
I’m to believe that the Chiefs have kept EB on for 4 years now so that he could get a HC job….only to bring him back and strip him of his play calling abilities….which would make it almost impossible for him to get a HC job in the future.

Nobody has to know.

htismaqe 02-24-2022 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 16161909)
I'm kinda willing to trust Andy Reid on this one. And the players who publicly supported EB.

I think enough nonsense has been thrown around about what allegedly went on behind the scenes that the man has been unnecessarily poisoned in a lot of our eyes.

Somehow the fact that he can't get a head coaching job is a major indictment of his ability to be an OC for this team? Have we just continued to bring him back as a charity case? Do we really trust journalists like Nate Taylor who are in the building less than people like Clay/Marty/Bill?

And most importantly, how desperate are we to create a narrative that allows us to understand what happened in the second half of the AFCCG? And why has it been so convenient for all the blame to fall on EB?

I'll trust the organization that has made four straight AFCCGs that they know what they're doing. These guys weren't concerned with optics when they stood by Hill, traded for Frank Clark with his history, signed Josh Gordon, signed DeAndre Baker, signed Damon Arnette, but somehow NOW they're only bringing EB back because they're afraid of the public blowback? For real?

I'm certainly willing to trust Reed but it's primarily because I don't blame EB for dysfunction nor do I need an explanation of what happened in the AFCCG. I literally don't care about any of these "stories" because it's just clap trap.

I want a fresh set of eyes. I don't want EB and I don't really want Nagy either. For me, the one big problem with EB is that nobody else wants him. I don't understand why we want somebody nobody else wants. But that's Andy's business, not mine.

arrwheader 02-24-2022 01:24 PM

Well if true we're stuck with him forever. He will never get a HC job.

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The Franchise 02-24-2022 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16161930)
He doesn't have much choice. He is toxic and incompetent the more authority he gets.

Then answer why they’re bringing him back.

Hammock Parties 02-24-2022 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16161936)
Then answer why they’re bringing him back.

Andy Reid.

wazu 02-24-2022 01:25 PM

Oh no our championship coaching staff is going to stay mostly intact for another year!

The Franchise 02-24-2022 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16161937)
Andy Reid.

Andy Reid, if you’re to be believed, is bringing back a toxic coach who has fought with his most prized players and ****ed up gameplans/play calling…..because? Because he’s loyal.

That’s your genius answer?

Hammock Parties 02-24-2022 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16161941)
Andy Reid, if you’re to be believed, is bringing back a toxic coach who has fought with his most prized players and ****ed up gameplans/play calling…..because? Because he’s loyal.

That’s your genius answer?

Andy Reid's loyalty to bad coaches is a thing.

DaFace 02-24-2022 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wazu (Post 16161938)
Oh no our championship coaching staff is going to stay mostly intact for another year!

ROFL

This is where I'm at. I get that people want a scapegoat for a shitty half of football, but it's not like EB has presided over dark days for the Chiefs offense. We're one of the best offenses in the league, and the players love the guy. It's hard for me to comprehend where the hate is coming from outside of people just refusing to believe that Patrick can play a shitty half of football.

The Franchise 02-24-2022 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16161946)
Andy Reid's loyalty to bad coaches is a thing.

And were any of those coaches that he was loyal to:

Toxic?
Overwrote Reid’s own gameplans and play calling?
Fought with star players during important games?

Hammock Parties 02-24-2022 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16161951)
And were any of those coaches that he was loyal to:

Toxic?
Overwrote Reid’s own gameplans and play calling?
Fought with star players during important games?

It's a delicate situation.

The Franchise 02-24-2022 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16161954)
It's a delicate situation.

So your answer is no. Got it.

htismaqe 02-24-2022 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 16161949)
ROFL

This is where I'm at. I get that people want a scapegoat for a shitty half of football, but it's not like EB has presided over dark days for the Chiefs offense. We're one of the best offenses in the league, and the players love the guy. It's hard for me to comprehend where the hate is coming from outside of people just refusing to believe that Patrick can play a shitty half of football.

It's the nature of fandom.

People wanted Sutton fired after 2017 and he eventually did after 2018.

He still fielded probably the best 3-year stretch of defense the Chiefs had since the early 90's when he had his best players on the field.

AT BEST, assistant coaches are somewhat involved in actual wins and losses. Mostly, they're just there to do detail work that the HC doesn't have time to do. It's delegation.

At the end of the day, you're going to win or lose with the talent on the field. Coaching is icing on the cake.

The Franchise 02-24-2022 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 16161949)
ROFL

This is where I'm at. I get that people want a scapegoat for a shitty half of football, but it's not like EB has presided over dark days for the Chiefs offense. We're one of the best offenses in the league, and the players love the guy. It's hard for me to comprehend where the hate is coming from outside of people just refusing to believe that Patrick can play a shitty half of football.

I think for most of us it was just the idea of fresh minds and new ideas being involved.

Am I upset that he’s back? No. I don’t believe Clay and Marty’s bullshit fan fiction.

Pitt Gorilla 02-24-2022 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 16161909)
I'm kinda willing to trust Andy Reid on this one. And the players who publicly supported EB.

I think enough nonsense has been thrown around about what allegedly went on behind the scenes that the man has been unnecessarily poisoned in a lot of our eyes.

Somehow the fact that he can't get a head coaching job is a major indictment of his ability to be an OC for this team? Have we just continued to bring him back as a charity case? Do we really trust journalists like Nate Taylor who are in the building less than people like Clay/Marty/Bill?

And most importantly, how desperate are we to create a narrative that allows us to understand what happened in the second half of the AFCCG? And why has it been so convenient for all the blame to fall on EB?

I'll trust the organization that has made four straight AFCCGs that they know what they're doing. These guys weren't concerned with optics when they stood by Hill, traded for Frank Clark with his history, signed Josh Gordon, signed DeAndre Baker, signed Damon Arnette, but somehow NOW they're only bringing EB back because they're afraid of the public blowback? For real?

I mean, clearly. For whatever reason, Chief Fan hated Bienemy PRIOR to any of this nonsense. So, it's was pretty easy for many folks to jump on the "get rid of him" bandwagon, even when every player talks about how important he's been in the offense's success.

Chief Fan seemingly irrationally hates him and that's that. Lord knows nobody here is allowed to change their mind.

ROYC75 02-24-2022 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 16161847)
These excruciating playoff losses where the offense crawls into a shell after jumping out to a giant lead are an Andy Reid signature since he got to KC.

He's done it 3 times in the playoffs since he's been here.

He's done it with Alex Smith and Patrick Mahomes at QB.

He's done it with Nagy and EB at OC.

He's done it with Buttons and Spags at DC.

It's Andy Reid.

Always has been.

There's a pattern.

This!

I LOL when the article came out! Now all of the conspiracy theorist are looking like idiots and crying about it!

Hammock Parties 02-24-2022 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16161956)
So your answer is no. Got it.

You seem driven.

The Franchise 02-24-2022 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16161967)
You seem driven.

You seem lost with where to take your trolling.

Hammock Parties 02-24-2022 01:35 PM

Oh boy. Tony Dungy is going on 610 to talk about EB this afternoon LMAO

TwistedChief 02-24-2022 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16161933)
I don't understand why we want somebody nobody else wants. But that's Andy's business, not mine.

Well, the Chiefs don't want EB as a head coach either.

Do you really think he couldn't get an OC position elsewhere? That's the relevant question.

Hammock Parties 02-24-2022 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16161970)
You seem lost with where to take your trolling.

As long as there are irrational, unfettered troglodytes in need of anger management, there will be trolling.

Abba-Dabba 02-24-2022 01:37 PM

Welcome back to the best football team in the world, coach!

PAChiefsGuy 02-24-2022 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaFace (Post 16161949)
ROFL

This is where I'm at. I get that people want a scapegoat for a shitty half of football, but it's not like EB has presided over dark days for the Chiefs offense. We're one of the best offenses in the league, and the players love the guy. It's hard for me to comprehend where the hate is coming from outside of people just refusing to believe that Patrick can play a shitty half of football.

I think you nailed it. Chief fans, especially Clay who dominates this forum, simply don't want to blame Mahomes so they are looking for a scapegoat.

htismaqe 02-24-2022 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 16161974)
Well, the Chiefs don't want EB as a head coach either.

Do you really think he couldn't get an OC position elsewhere? That's the relevant question.

Did they let him try?

We'll never know.

htismaqe 02-24-2022 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16161959)
I think for most of us it was just the idea of fresh minds and new ideas being involved.

Am I upset that he’s back? No. I don’t believe Clay and Marty’s bullshit fan fiction.

This.

dirk digler 02-24-2022 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16161982)
Did they let him try?

We'll never know.

He is not under contract so he could go do what he wants.

LongSufferingToady 02-24-2022 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by God of Thunder (Post 16161798)
Don't shoot the messenger

https://www.audacy.com/610sports/spo...n-as-chiefs-oc

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Per source, the Chiefs anticipate Eric Bieniemy will return as their offensive coordinator. Contract isn&#39;t signed yet, but belief is it will get done.<br><br>Chiefs supported Bieniemy as he interviewed with Saints among exploring other opportunities, but also want him back. (1/2)</p>&mdash; Matt Verderame (@MattVerderame) <a href="https://twitter.com/MattVerderame/status/1496872756197134338?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 24, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Too funny. Andy's a wuss. EB is going to cause more problems, and the offense is phooked.

KCUnited 02-24-2022 01:41 PM

May as well bring back Demarcus Robinson as well.

LongSufferingToady 02-24-2022 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties (Post 16161827)
This is likely what happened.

Your credibility is in the toilet at this point, and so are all your pals.

And I was hoping you were right.

Oh well.

Raiderhater 02-24-2022 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCUnited (Post 16161995)
May as well bring back Demarcus Robinson as well.

Let's not get carried away now.

htismaqe 02-24-2022 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirk digler (Post 16161993)
He is not under contract so he could go do what he wants.

Then we can safely assume that nobody offered him a job and that's why he's coming back. Gotcha.

Pitt Gorilla 02-24-2022 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Franchise (Post 16161959)
I think for most of us it was just the idea of fresh minds and new ideas being involved.

Am I upset that he’s back? No. I don’t believe Clay and Marty’s bullshit fan fiction.

Kafka is being replaced. Doesn't that = fresh minds, new ideas?

LongSufferingToady 02-24-2022 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 16161891)
This thread is so unnecessary and should be merged.

Actually it shouldn't be merged. This thread is based upon a more reliable sports journalist, not a gossip-monger.

tyecopeland 02-24-2022 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16161958)
It's the nature of fandom.

People wanted Sutton fired after 2017 and he eventually did after 2018.

He still fielded probably the best 3-year stretch of defense the Chiefs had since the early 90's when he had his best players on the field.

AT BEST, assistant coaches are somewhat involved in actual wins and losses. Mostly, they're just there to do detail work that the HC doesn't have time to do. It's delegation.

At the end of the day, you're going to win or lose with the talent on the field whenever the league allows you to. Coaching is icing on the cake.

FTFY.

The Franchise 02-24-2022 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 16162014)
Kafka is being replaced. Doesn't that = fresh minds, new ideas?

Depends on who they bring in to replace him.

TwistedChief 02-24-2022 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16162011)
Then we can safely assume that nobody offered him a job and that's why he's coming back. Gotcha.

I don't think his seeking out a lateral job offer as an OC away would've been the best career move he could've made.

rabblerouser 02-24-2022 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16161958)
It's the nature of fandom.

People wanted Sutton fired after 2017 and he eventually did after 2018.

He still fielded probably the best 3-year stretch of defense the Chiefs had since the early 90's when he had his best players on the field.

AT BEST, assistant coaches are somewhat involved in actual wins and losses. Mostly, they're just there to do detail work that the HC doesn't have time to do. It's delegation.

At the end of the day, you're going to win or lose with the talent on the field. Coaching is icing on the cake.

Other than lining up 4 down lineman instead of 3, there's really not a whole lot of difference in the way this defense plays as opposed to Sutton's 3-4.

I mean, it's Honey Badger instead of Eric Berry yelling at the players to get into position before the ball is snapped...but there's a lot of the same disorganized chaos, players out of position, making shit reads, not turning their head for the ball...

But...honestly, Dee Ford lines up correctly and we win a Super Bowl with Sutton's defense...so...I think you're on to something.

htismaqe 02-24-2022 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 16162021)
I don't think his seeking out a lateral job offer as an OC away would've been the best career move he could've made.

Probably not.

Which takes me back to "we'll never know".

The simple fact is, we know nobody wants him for a HC but we have no idea if anybody other than the Chiefs would hire him to be an OC. That's just the way it is.

rabblerouser 02-24-2022 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TwistedChief (Post 16162021)
I don't think his seeking out a lateral job offer as an OC away would've been the best career move he could've made.

The Saints are going to be a shit team with no QB or a rookie QB.

Going there as Dennis Allen's OC would just mean you'll get fired with the rest of that staff in a year or two...

htismaqe 02-24-2022 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 16162014)
Kafka is being replaced. Doesn't that = fresh minds, new ideas?

If they replace him with Matt Nagy, no. That = old, stale ideas. And a guy who, by all accounts, was hated by his own locker room.

htismaqe 02-24-2022 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by rabblerouser (Post 16162029)
The Saints are going to be a shit team with no QB or a rookie QB.

Going there as Dennis Allen's OC would just mean you'll get fired with the rest of that staff in a year or two...

Allen has two guys to fire. They hired co-offensive coordinators yesterday. :D

Rasputin 02-24-2022 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16161958)
It's the nature of fandom.

People wanted Sutton fired after 2017 and he eventually did after 2018.

He still fielded probably the best 3-year stretch of defense the Chiefs had since the early 90's when he had his best players on the field.

AT BEST, assistant coaches are somewhat involved in actual wins and losses. Mostly, they're just there to do detail work that the HC doesn't have time to do. It's delegation.

At the end of the day, you're going to win or lose with the talent on the field. Coaching is icing on the cake.

I don't blame a RB OC to call passing plays an entire half when we were running it with 10 yards a carry up the gut in the first half. I agree coaches call the plays but players have to execute those plays but if a coach refuses to make adjustments to help the players or put them in better position to be successful.

I'm sticking with Andy Reid is the Head Coach and to blame for second half debacle and also Patrick Mahomes for not having his head in the game.

I also give credit to the Bengals as they were better prepared mentally had a better game plan knowing Andy Reid historically living by the passing game.

I remember when we hired Andy in the pressers he talked about passing on first second and third down. If it's third and inches he'd rather call a pass play.

Throwing EB under the bus just looks bad for us fans and makes excuses. Other teams are pointing and laughing at us for blowing a 21-3 lead even though it was 21-10 at half. We didn't capitalize when we had the opportunity to put them away.

rabblerouser 02-24-2022 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 16162030)
If they replace him with Matt Nagy, no. That = old, stale ideas. And a guy who, by all accounts, was hated by his own locker room.

Hated him because he wouldn't dumb his offense down for them.

And by all accounts, no one "hated" him. Everything I've read or heard is that he's extremely likable and bright.


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