Andy, please let Mahomes be Mahomes
 

He’s not a pocket passer. Maybe someday he will be but we are 9 games into the season. Mahomes as a pocket passer this year ain’t happening.

You want to waste a prime year of Hill, Kelce and a cheap salary year of Mahomes, keep trying to make him a pocket passer this year.

He saved your ass and the season by being Mahomes and making the game clinching play.

Please for the love of god, and to save our season, let Mahomes be who is really is…. Mahomes.

Mahomes was winning from the pocket his 3rd start in the league.

He just needs to figure out what's going on right now with coverages. His timing and reads are off.

I actually think the reverse needs to happen and Andy needs to hold Mahomes tightly to a scripted gameplan that features quick/short passes and uptempo/no huddle to help him get out of the slump.

It’s no coincidence that the Chiefs offense has looked it’s best the last two games in their first drives with the first 15 scripted plays.

It's called making reads, and he isn't doing it.

The reason why broken plays work and not the pocket plays is not because Mahomes can't throw from the pocket.

Too often the offense is not getting WRs open fast enough.

We need to run more plays with Wrs bunched, close together where space is cleared.

The deep stuff is gone now and the normal RPO plays are gone as well because teams are now keeping their linebackers back, squeezing the RPO passing windows.

We need Reid to bust out his old school West Coast playbook and stop with the spread until we break shell coverage.

I have to agree. I don't know if it is Mahomes just knowing he needs to work on it. Or Reid and Co trying to tell him to stay in the pocket but he isn't a pocket passer right now. He HATES stepping up in the pocket and he drops back so far when he does "stay in the pocket" because he's clearly not comfortable. I don't know if we can run some roll outs or bootlegs or what, but whatever it is with the offense is not working right now.

We need to scheme up some bootlegs, and moving pocket plays where Pat is constantly moving. It's where he's most comfortable, and where he makes his biggest plays.

Some of you are just in flat out denial. Patrick is not a good QB at the moment. He has some good moments but he is missing reads badly and making poor decisions. He chose not to throw to a wide open Kelce today twice and opted to take much higher risk passes that hit the ground.

He has been inaccurate as well. Sure the play calling and dropped passes don't help but he isn't helping himself. We all want Pat to be the Pat that won the Super Bowl but right now, this season, he isn't very good. And that's just the reality of it.

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Hey guys, remember this?

Tom Brady was done. Staring down receivers in Arians offense. The Bucs were 7-5, a complete mess, and Brady was declined and overmatched in the needs of his new offense.

All of this is to say that yes, even the best of quarterbacks go through stretches like this. Patrick and Andy are going to figure this out, everything in their history and pedigree suggest they will. For the start we've had to the season, 5-4 seems awfully okay considering the unexpected offensive and defensive problems we've had to start the season.

Explain the euphoria that shitting on Mahomes provides you. Be as detailed as possible, because I'm never going to talk shit on the best player this franchise has ever had, so I will never experience it for myself.

He made the highlight reel play to win the ****ing football game, in case you ****ing missed it.

Patrick is going to have to learn how to be a QB now. He got away the last 3 seasons playing backyard football. Teams have adjusted defensively. They are not letting guys run deep and forcing Mahomes to make reads and go through his progressions.

If he can't adjust he is done. It's that simple. I think he can do it but he has yet to show it. He keeps trying to make the big play instead of just taking what the defense gives.

It's a cocktail of little things that haven't gone away. The light will come on. The defense has carried us the last two games. It also Andy not putting our best RB out there and getting to cute on short yardage downs.

He's not trusting his Tackles hence the bailing, and Orlando pass blocks differently than Fisher which is the reason why looks awkward and uncomfortable. With the right side Niang isn't Schwartz the best RT in the league when he was healthy

I am not shitting on Mahomes. I am just calling it as it is. Doesn't mean I like it. I don't like it at all. But if you think Mahomes is or has played good football recently then you are just fooling yourself.

He made a highlight reel pass to win the game in a game the other team gave him every chance to run away with. In other words he was a big factor in why he had to make such a play to win the game.

We should have blown this team out 35-0 or worse and you are happy because he made one play when he absolutely had too.

Nobody outside of Kelce and Hill are getting open either.

Why do some get so offended when people criticize Mahomes? He’s playing shitty right now and he’s the first to admit it. Nobody knows what the issue is, but he needs to be better, much better. With his future cap hit he can’t be what he is right now. I think he’ll be better, not sure when.

Mahomes was doing just fine today until Niang went down. Things changed when Wylie went in.

Meh. He hits one of those deep balls and everybody is deep throating the offense again.

Niang went down? Oh snap!

Yeah well he hasn't hit a deep ball since the Washington game. Hasn't even come close.

I don't know how much truth there was to it, but the narrative at the time was the Bucs hadn't completely bought into the offense at that point of the season, and what they did in the SB was basically the final product of protecting Brady with short dump-offs and what not.

And yeah, the only win they could hang their hat on all season was beating the Packers... swept by the Saints and one game was 38-3 (sound familiar?), lost to the Rams, lost to the Chiefs when it was 21-0 in the first quarter.

There is still plenty of time and the AFC in particular looks like a complete shitshow.... as much as I hated the decades of "just get into the playoffs and anything can happen!!!", this is actually a team that could validate that theory.

If he completes that pass to Hardman the place goes bananas and the beast is back.

Tell me that if Hardman had scored a td there, you would be angrily face rolling your keyboard bitching about passing up a wide open shorter pass. Lmmfao it's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

If he connects on the deep shot to hill for a what, 95 yard td, same deal.

You may yearn for the days of Alex Smith throwing dumpoffs. Go watch replays of that shit if that's what you want.

IF IF IF.....

Was arguing this very point in the other Mahomes thread. I encourage anyone to go to youtube and look at his TD's passes last year. Alot of his "pocket" passes were him drifting 10 yds + back and throwing it. We also did alot of designed roll outs down in the red zone.

Not sure if the coaches or Mahomes himself, the tackles or defenses have adjusted and are playing him that way to take away that part of his game. But being a traditional pocket QB isn't his game.

So, if he played better, people would be saying better things? ;)

I do think a lot of people are looking for shreds of optimism, when a couple of throws at the end of a game has people thinking we're seeing the "old" (you know, 5-8 weeks ago) Mahomes.

Yeah. Too bad the game is more than a quarter long. After the first 15 plays, they've looked lost.

Mahomes is done, heard it on CP first.

Disagree. People forget the back half of the 2019 season. Patrick absolutely played from the pocket to the point that this board thought Andy made him into Alex. He has absolutely shown he can play this way before.

Also, again --- ALL QB'S GO THROUGH RUTS LIKE THIS.

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To say that "Patrick needs to learn how to play QB now" is such a stupid statement after what we've seen him accomplish in his first NFL seasons. We've seen him play excellently at the position and to forget all of that after literally the first slump in his career makes me think you need to take a breather, bud.

Problem is there was only one of those deep balls that had more than a hope and a prayer of being completed.

He's too in love with hitting the deep ball. He got addicted to it to start his career and defenses got tired of it. Now he's looking right through a wide open Kelce to throw 50 yards down field to a double covered Hardman of all receivers.

If my aunt had a dick, billay would be her bitch.

Why don't you run along and start "The Official Mahomes won't sniff another Superbowl" thread.

Don't go halfway with your unfathomable stupidity. Go all in.

You are in denial. Patrick is missing reads and is having trouble with accuracy. That brings none of us joy. I think he will be fine and we will get on a role but to deny the obvious makes you a homer.

It's not my fault IF's don't count. You can call me all the names you want. Doesn't change how bad Mahomes has played the last few games 1 iota.

Hey. Go check out 3rd n 10 at the end of the game.

Come back, tell me what happened, and then go play a game of hide and go **** yourself.

Oh gee, 1 play in a game he should have scored so many points that the last play of the game should not have mattered.

So you'll be starting "The Official Mahomes won't sniff another Superbowl" thread?

The only real purpose you serve here Pete is reverse mojo and comic relief.

So. Proceed.

Uh huh......

I could be wrong but that was the only play he moved out of the pocket all game. This isn't who he is.

Hey check this out....

20-37 for 166

GFY

Last I checked, one more point than the opponent wins the game. Yep. Still the rule.

This was a win. You're posting like we lost and he didn't rip their souls out at the end.

Run along and prophesise doom, chicken little. It is kinda your thing after all.

Oh, is that what it is...

So you prefer big numbers over the W.

Gotcha.

KYS.

No it isn't. And we have seen him move outside the pocket several times the last few games and blah.

Pat's problem is he wants to hit the big play and when it isn't there he panics. Seriously. Had he checked down quickly durning the Bills game we might win.

Same with the Titans. The last 2 games he came out hitting the short game and running the ball then went away from it. Both games started good and went to shit, even though we squeaked out wins.

I forgot who it was, it was one of the national talking heads last week that said Patrick is trying to erase the wonky record and wonky start in one play.

We saw it again today where he insisted on not going to a wide open Kelce for a 1st down and trying to hit the big plays that just led to punts.

Cannot play backyard ball forever. Gotta learn for long term career..

Coach Pete: NEVER GO FOR THE BIG PLAY, IT MIGHT FALL INCOMPLETE.

IN ALEXIAN PASSING, WE SHALL OVERCOME.

You are clueless. They are taking anything deep away and the few opportunities where we have had receivers open deep Mahomes has missed them. These are the facts. We love Mahomes, wouldn't trade him for anyone, but realize he is in a funk. The last drive was great, I hope we see more of that going forward.

I don't remember him getting out of the pocket except on the last play but the box score says he had 2 rushes for -2 yds. Don't remember any of that. He didn't run like he normally does though.

No doubt he gets inpatient and wants the big plays. That is who he is though and you don't want to stop that aggressive mindset, just need it tamed. Just like him staying in the pocket like Brady isn't who he is either.

This forum forgets that many posters were very concerned at the end of 2019 because Patrick’s outside the pocket passing had fallen to league average and despite us ending the year on a winning streak, Mahomes looked very “Alex Smithian.” I’m guessing people have forgotten this because of the super heroic things Mahomes did to win against the Texans (though he largely beat the Titans and 49ers from the pocket).

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He’s won as a “pocket QB” before. Hell, he won the Super Bowl as a pocket QB. People just latch onto a narrative and roll with it.

He’s going through a bad slump. Similar to what all QB’s have done before, elite ones too, and I’m sure Elway did as well.

Saying a QB can't be good as a pocket passer isn't a good thing guys.

The fact that you guys are throwing it out there as a defense for Mahomes is mind blowing.

I'd rather think he's in a slump than think he's limited or basically needs a specific playing style to be even mediocre.

We have scored 36 points in the last 3 games......but there is nothing wrong with Mahomes....

To be fair, they made some attempts at big plays today. Mahomes had Tyreek deep on that one drive where they started deep in their end. It should have been a 90 yard TD. Just overthrew him. Teams are playing much safer defense, as we all know... but the Packers took some chances today and we had openings. Offense just didn't hit them.

Since the deep play to DRob against Washington, has he been even close on a deep play since then?

Believe it or not, there is a lot of middle ground between “Nothing is wrong with Mahomes” and “Mahomes needs to learn how to play as an NFL QB.”

I am not saying that at all. We need a mix. That is when he is lethal..

He's missing reads, not throwing from a solid platform, he's lost some talent among his peers, he's making bad decisions. It's all fixable stuff. He just needs to adjust.

Yep... at best, it's an exaggerated narrative, like he was a complete gunslinger/scrambler before... and at worst, it's just dumb.

Where in my post do I say nothing is wrong? Obviously something is wrong and we don't have any answers.

Well we are going to see if Mahomes is a legit NFL QB or a flash in the pan gimmick.

I would think the former but if he can't make the adjustment then it is not good.

Hasn’t shown he can do it? Didn’t he show it for the first month of the season? They were moving the ball exceptionally well with very few big plays.

The narrative may have been a lot different today if not for two dropped passes on third down and Hill’s slip.

All of that I agree with. He did all of those things from the pocket and did so at an exceptional level to lead us to HFA in our Super Bowl winning year — which is why I’m going to push back so hard against the narrative that he “only knows how to play backyard football.”

He’s in a rut, a bad one, but to rewrite his history as an NFL QB as a Chiefs fan is stupid.

Like this. Easily one of the top 3 worst posts I’ve read on this website.

I don’t call being able to make plays like the one that iced the game “limited” myself.

I'll concede he made a few great throws, including the game winning one. But outside of those, he was inaccurate all game and out of sync with his recievers.

I think he'll be fine and figure it all out, he's allowed to have a slump, but its literally fact that he's been struggling the last few weeks. I dont see how you can say otherwise.

Actually we do have an answer an it's a rather simple one. Take what the defense gives you. For example, today the defense gave us Kelce wide open for 1st downs twice and Mahomes chose not to take it.

Now some of that goes on Andy as teams continue to invite him to run the ball consistently and he consistently refuses to do it.

I’m not saying ever. He will in time be a great pocket passer. Just not going to be this year. I’d rather this not be a lost season and a “learning” year.

Other fanbases are laughing hard at posts like this.

Why not?

Yes they are

Which fan bases would that be?

Denver?
Las Vegas?
Los Angeles?
Buffalo?
Baltimore?

I will say this...we have Patrick Mahomes and are in last place...

other fanbases sure as **** are laughing at us.....

For the most part he has been doing that but he has been really inaccurate this year. Not sure what the cause of that is. I am wondering if he just feels more comfortable dropping so far back but can't do that because Brown can't block that. Also obviously the turnovers have had a huge impact on his psyche.

Look it, today was a breakout game for the team overall in the way of they were winning, losing, winning, losing. For the first time this season we won 2 games in a row.

It has not been pretty. Today was the first game I think we had all season with 0 turnovers.

So if we are to look at silver linings it's we won 2 in a row. Our defense held up 2 games in a roe and we didn't turn the ball over at all for the first time this season.

Mahomes and the offense still played like shit but hopefully that's the next show to drop in the form of a turnaround.

Yes. Very Damon Huard-ish playcalling today.

ahhh for **** sakes Pete.

As someone who has staunchly disagreed with you this entire thread this is a good post.

Have you seen the hits he’s taken? Injuries he’s already suffered in his young career?

Actually the opposite. Acknowledge that what we've done in the past doesn't work. When your qb struggles, let your RB do some work and work the clock. Make damn adjustments, and that especially includes trying gore and Gordon out and stop punishing Gordon for every mistake while mecole makes 3. Can't for the life of me understand the logic of leaning into the same strategies that keep on failing us. We keep waiting for that Reid adjustment, but can anyone see any way that we've adjusted? We seem to be stubbornly clinging to the offensive approach thats no longer been successful.

I don't get the play calling. It's like we have Patrick Mahomes so we MUST be a passing team. That's stupid. Teams are playing 6 in the box against us regularly and we are running the ball overall very well.

We run the ball for 8 yards and Andy won't call another running play for another 3 punts.

And some of the play calls like on the 4th and 1 where we lost yards I just don't get. Andy has always had this thing with trying to trick or outguess the other team instead of just lining up and knocking the guy in front of you on his ass. Which is what you do on 4th an 1.

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Oh God.

You really are a first ballot hall of fame dumbass.