Veach: Fisher Projected as a Mid-August Return
 

This was from Veach's zoom presser this morning in response to Sam Mellinger following up on a previous response by Veach where he said Mahomes, Schwartz and Fisher were all expected back by August.

When asked, Veach referred again to his notes from Rick (Burkholder) that stated Fisher is projected as a "mid-August return".

Veach then went on to clarify that there's obviously other variables that could impact that but as far as the information he had in front of him from Rick and the medical staff, mid-August is the projection.

LINK (question is asked at 20:25 mark): https://fb.watch/3Z3FNr0fc7/

Now, Fisher will probably be put on PUP list to start the season but still, this is phenomenal news considering many were expecting Fisher to miss the 2021-22 season entirely.

Yeah I dont see how this is gonna be a mid Aug return.

I mean obviously they know more about it than me or anyone here, but tbh that seems like wishful thinking.

He may be ok to workout and do light stuff perhaps, but I doubt we see Fisher on field til at least Oct/Nov at the earliest.

Veach: I'll draft who ever the **** I want.

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I'd guess return to light practice and not to the field.

No pressure in the draft. I'll trust Veach to do the right thing. Just please no more project/tweener DE's and linebackers. Pick a player that's able to play the position right away.

To be fair, Sneed was a Safety and probably considered a "tweener," so there's that.

Get him outta here.

Start fresh at both tackle postions.

Don't get your hopes up. They're both coming back.

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That’s interesting and all but falls out of the DE linebacker qualifications.

I was listening on the radio today and they basically said that the chiefs will likely either need to cut one of the tackles or restructure their contracts to get under the cap. It will be interesting if the chiefs decide to move on from Schwartz or Fisher.

Did he say anything about Schwartz?

False.

Sneed was a CB in college but switched to Safety his senior season because the team needed a starting safety.

His versatility was the reason for his selection by the Chiefs.

How are we going to afford that, AND get talent better than these guys? We lock so much money up in the top skill players...

Yep. Had a disc procedure. Expected back by camp as well.

I’ll be very surprised if he plays before mid October

I think if they're both healthy that's fantastic.

maybe it wasn't a complete tear? Like not severed? And so it's a repair as opposed to a reconstruction?

If we really get Schwartz and Fisher back and Tardiff returns and Niang is a guard for this year, would be draft a center? Or maybe draft another guard to tackle conversion like we are planning with Niang?

Or just keep with our strategy of Olinement on day 3... man I cant wait for the draft.

They're almost certainly going to restructure Fisher to get his cap hit down. I wouldn't be surprised if it extends him long-term as well.

If we really had both tackles we could just add more firepower as well as OL and DL depth.

Then again, we were already listed as the Super Bowl favorites for next year before this news.

Personally, I think both of them being fully healthy is pretty unlikely but if the Chiefs think they'll be ready, I can accept that.

This is my thinking and why their projection. But I will say this again, you can't protect your Lamborghini QB with a carport.;)

You don't need 2 garages for just one car, either.

And Chris Brown, who lived up the street from me for years, parked both of his Lambo's in his driveway.

That home does not have a car port.

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I think we definitely do because our Lamborghini is Mahomes:D But I get your point.;)

Protect the investment. **** the injury projections. Get younger at the tackle position and plan for worst-case scenario. If they don’t, they learned nothing from the Superbowl beatdown.

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What do you think Lucas Niang is? The Chiefs are years ahead of you. They couldn’t project Covid.

Carl-level offseason blunder.

You’re an idiot.

Pure unadulterated panic.

Not a way to run a football team at all.

Welcome to Chiefsplanet!

Top 10 tackles dont grow on trees you idiot

Why doesn't anyone think Fisher will be healthy? Do you all remember Derrick Johnson? That dude ruptured his achilles in December and was back starting opening day and played 100% of the defensive snaps week 1 and 2 as a 35 year old. Fisher will only be 30 and probably heal faster than a 35 year old.

Hell Terrell Suggs tore one of his in 2012 and ruptured the other one a few years later in 2015. In 2012 he tore it in April and played just 5 months later and since then the advancements in the surgery and recovery have improved tremendously

Herniated disc's. Yeah.. extremely painful. Had to deal with that this fall. Was going to have it operated on but with the covid and the OR's shut down due to covid and restricted to emergencys only it kept getting put off. Finally last x-ray the Dr decided he didn't need to operate on it. :thumb: Said it was shrinking back into place and looked a 1000% better. Schwartz probably had a couple of small rods inserted and screwed into place. Two month recovery my Dr told me. But yeah I can see why he missed most of the season. :(

If the SB OL is what you’re worried about, why would you want to replace Fisher AND Schwartz in one offseason?

If anything, you should want to bring them back and add depth (some of which is already coming via opt outs).

If we try to replace both T’s in one offseason, there’s a good possibility that our depth is even worse in 2021.

If the team feels that Fisher and Schwartz are both going to be okay, then this is the best possible scenario.

LDT is an upgrade over Wylie.

Both OT's are good to great.

Alegretti was serviceable at LG.

We need a Center. We need some depth. That's not so bad.

Osemele maybe returns on a cheap deal. Niang. Rankin.

It all looks a lot better with Fisher AND Schwartz.

The Kiper Walker Little slotting to the Chiefs is interesting, and a Reid favored prototype

He'll be PUP'd to start the season to celebrate his newly restructured deal. (Or maybe that new IR designation? Whichever.)

Schwartz is an unknown at this point, which makes me understand what Clay is saying when he says cut them both. That said, I'd take those two coming off of injury if the Chiefs think they are full go than rookies or rookie/FA at those spots.

If they can come back at a somewhat high level we could have one of the best lines in football.

Can we just clone our 2003-5 O-Line and use them? I mean come on, it's the 21st Century. Where are my flying cars and serviceable football player clones?

Panic?

A dislocated knee, turf toe and debateable concussion are already on Patrick’s body mileage.

- Who has guaranteed Fisher returns to form and when?
- Great that Schwartz looks to be back, but for how long? He was regressing pre-injury and backs are finicky.
- Niang won’t have played football in almost two calendar years. You think he just slides in and will be great?
- LDT: overrated and overpaid. A year removed from football.
- Reiter likely walks in FA.

It’s not panic, it is reality. The Chiefs have to build the line back up again for both the short term and the future.

I couldn't imagine the insanity of this offense if we could have that line replace this one. Schwartz in his prime to play RT and I don't think we would lose a game. Pat would have 60 TDs a year.

Dislocated knee: QB sneak, not related to o-line play
Concusion/stun: Designed run, not related to o-line play

Sorry, you're going to have to do better than his turf toe injury to justify throwing pretty much every available resource we have at a potentially very small problem.

- nobody, and until they do or don't, there's no need to panic and replace him with anybody we can get our hands on.
- If they say he'll be ready and he says he'll be ready, who are you to say he won't be?
- So since he's never played, we should replace him with someone who's never played? I NEVER said he'd be great. In fact, I never said Niang would be ANYTHING. But until he actually plays, you can't either. He's an unknown, just like EVERY ONE of these guys people want to draft because we need to "fix the line".
- LDT is certainly not overpaid compared to the market. As for overrated, that's fine, but then again, it seems you want to replace EVERYONE, which is just absolutely ****ing laughable.
- Nope, not likely. We have no idea.

Not based in reality at all. At all.

They said Fisher and Schwartz will be back. You obviously have trust issues with a team and front office that won us a Super Bowl - the first one in FIFTY YEARS - 2 years ago and has us right back again this past season. That's the real problem here, not the offensive line.

If we had that line, we wouldn't probably have Mahomes, or Tyreek, or even a decent defense.

You simply can't invest in one unit like that a build a balanced team.

If we look at the situation realistically, this is actually pretty accurate. We need to pump as much into the O-line as we can.

It's not realistic at all.

He's essentially saying everyone needs replaced.

How in the ****ing ****ety **** **** is that realistic?

IF The team feels confident that both Fisher and Schwartz will return to form then the OT situation is in good shape with Niang and possibly Wanegho in the wings. I'd still like a veteran swing guy.

Interior line gets an upgrade with LDT over Wylie. Alegretti is serviceable, he's not a guy you have to help anyway. Osemele is a cheap vet option to back-up/push for a spot depending on his health. Rankin is a G. Durant has potential at G.

We need a Center. Reiter isn't good enough. Maybe a vet on a prove it deal like Britt? Or a draftee like Humphrey/Myers/Meinerz. I'd prefer to do both.

That would appear to upgrade not only the starting 5 over the last half of the season, but also improve the quality of depth.

Yep.

Chiefs need a quality swing Tackle.

Who played corner most of his college years, right?

As much as I'd like to burn them both and start over, we can't do so unless we work out an injury settlement. We're probably stuck with them next year no matter what.

That line wasn’t due to over investment.

We traded a 4th fir Roaf.
Waters was an UDFA
Weigman was a FA
Shields was a third
Tait was a first

We have more invested in our current line, by far.

Here’s why it’s not just panic to bolster the current OL. The offense is built by timing and opening things up outside the framework of the play. If we give Pat an elite OL, he will not only take less punishment...he will have time to dissect defenses.

There are advanced stats that show Pat is basically unstoppable with average amount of time. With above average amount of time, what would be opposing defenses way to attack our offense when we can just pound them when they drop 7?

This is what I was getting at during the Super Bowl. He was running for life from a 4-man rush. At least one ready to start OL thrown into the mix from the draft giving PMII an extra second for guys to get open and for him to see them might be the difference in getting another ring or not.

They traded a 4th for Roaf and then gave him a top 5 LT contract. Shields was one of the highest paid OL in football. Tait was on his 2nd contract after being a first round pick. Wiegmann got paid, too.

That unit was by far the most expensive part of that team. So yes, it was absolutely over investment.

You can upgrade the line without going ****ing crazy. Fortunately, that's exactly what the Chiefs will do. They don't panic like people here do.

So if they don't get a starting OL in the draft, they're not going to get another ring?

ROFL

This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about.

I dont get the desire to replace 5 guys on the line. The guards are gonna be looking decent with a room of wylie, Allegretti, and LDT coming back and the possibility of osmele coming back, we need a center. The tackles are both said to be expected back, with Niang, a high pick and solid college player. So we need a center a swing tackle and developmental guys. JFC. People are over reacting like a mother ****er around here.

Day to day. . .:shake:

Everyone uses the day to day thing but that turned out to be Berry not feeling it, not the medicals or the staff.

Yeah, they left it up to Berry...who literally played the exact minimal number of snaps to meet some stupid roster incentive, and then got repeatedly face-raped by Gronk in the AFCCG.

****ing hobo-spirit. Ought to send John Dorsey a "thank you" card every Christmas. Or Dorsey and Hobo should send The Clarks a pic of the two of them (Dorsey and Berry) using a flaming hundred dollar bill lighting a cigar in one hand while flipping the camera the bird with the other...

That’s pretty much where I am at this point. Get a quality OC and a quality swing OT as contingency for EF and MS.

Fish will be day to day until December.

The Chiefs put too much faith in Schwartz eventually returning from his injury last season and it derailed their season in the Super Bowl.

Putting too much faith in Eric Berry being able to return and "fix" the shitty 2018 defense was also a failure.

It's fine for the Chiefs to be optimistic about Schwartz/Fisher being ready for the start of the 2021 season, but they better have a more solid Plan B than Remmers at LT and Wylie at RT.

Plan B is Lucas Niang and that’s a pretty excellent 3rd tackle compared to the rest of the league

And Remmers was just fine as a plan C at RT. The problem was we lost both T’s. Any team that loses both starting T’s is going to be ****ed.

Veach should’ve had a plan D though!

Niang hasn't played in a football game or participated in an organized football practice since October 2019... but we are now going to project him to be a reliable Plan B option at LT if Fisher isn't ready.

Interesting.

Your post mentioned Schwartz for the most part, but yes our 3rd tackle is probably Lucas Niang, who like LDT and Damien Williams will be going through a full physical when they get back in 2 weeks to see where they are.

Also who cares if Niang hasn’t played since Fall 2019? Are you insinuating he now doesn’t know how to play football anymore? The guy was on video doing off-season training this year. If he checks out medically then what is the problem?

And yes we might get a low cost vet to help cover Fisher. Idk what you people are wanting here unless you draft a tackle early.

Quality left tackles are pretty damn hard to find and good ones cost a shit load of money that we don’t have. So unless we draft someone that’s pretty much what you have.

Look around the league and tell me what team has a 3rd tackle that is even average.

I really can't believe we're counting on a pair of brokedicks in the most pivotal season we're going to have for awhile.

This might be the last season Kelce and Tyreek are at their absolute peak physical potential.

The future of this offense gets dicey if either one of them falls off.

Kelce is like Brady, they get better with age

Emmanuel Sanders had nearly 1,000 yards receiving last year despite being 33 years old.

He's not even half the physical specimen as Ty Hill.

Hill's prime is just beginning. He'll be a guy that plays at a high level until his mid-30's because even if he loses a step, he's still faster 99% of the CB's and Safeties trying to cover him.

What do you want them to do? Sign a high priced free agent?

Don't say anything about the draft because none of those guys have played a down in the NFL, just like Niang.

Drafting a tackle early doesn't really solve anything in 2021. Drafting a tackle would be a 2022 move, if anything.

I am pretty sure that any potential offensive tackle the Chiefs would draft this year will have played in a football game and participated in an organized football practice more recently than October 2019 as is the case with Niang.

Several mocks have us taking Walker Little from Stanford.

He was injured in 2019 and opted out in 2020.

And just FYI, but in Andy Reid's 2 decades of coaching, he's NEVER started a rookie tackle.

Does Fisher not count?

Everything I’ve seen you post since the SB that’s football related has been absolutely moronic.