2020 NBA Offseason Thread
 

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sources: After turning down an extension offer to become the first $50M a year player in league history, James Harden’s message to Houston is clear: Get me to Brooklyn. Rockets and Nets have been in contact, but there’s been no meaningful dialogue. <a href="https://t.co/qwJOQOxz5U">https://t.co/qwJOQOxz5U</a></p>&mdash; Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) <a href="https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1328514731515273216?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 17, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Houston sports are bursting into flames.

So the Thunder are pretty much the Browns of the NBA right now. They have like 13 first td picks the next 4 years

Man, Nets would be stacked.

Considering the Bucks just traded a ridiculous haul for a mediocre player in Jrue Holiday, I’m interested to see what exactly it would take the Nets or anybody else to make the trade for Harden. You have to think the Raptors would try to make a play after what they did with Kawhi but that price may be too steep.

First thanks for starting this thread I was about to post in one of the other NBA threads

A couple of big trades so far with CP3 going to the Suns and Pelicans sending Jrue Holiday to the Bucks.

Bucks are going all in to keep Giannis. I personally don't think Jrue Holiday is worth half of this but what ever.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Besides the three future first-round picks going to New Orleans, there are also pick swaps included in the deal, per sources. All in all, this is shaping up to be a draft compensation package similar to New Orleans&#39; deal for Anthony Davis with Lakers. <a href="https://t.co/HbnLxzUI96">https://t.co/HbnLxzUI96</a></p>&mdash; Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) <a href="https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1328559229926596608?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 17, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Thots and prayers to the strippers of Houston in these rough times.

Man. Harden wants out of Houston? After they dumped every meaningful player to build whatever that was around him?

I guess they still have Westbrook ROFL

They are probably going to get more too. Just picked up a 1st AND Kelly Oubre, Rubio and some Jags for old man Chris Paul. And I like Chris Paul but thats a great trade for the Thunder. Interesting if they flip Oubre later for picks. Looks like Schroder is going to the Lake Show too

But of course good NBA teams don't give 2 shits about draft picks.

LeMelo Ball #1 overall?

Does this mean we have to keep hearing stupidity from LaVar for the next several years?

:facepalm:

I don't love Holiday, but I'm not sure I'd call him mediocre at all. His numbers last season were really good and he's one of the best defenders at his position.

I hope so. Get Wiseman to the Warriors and profit.

Ball is the next Ricky Rubio. That's about it. Hes actually a really safe pick but teams are overestimated his potential. Great passer, inefficient scorer, avg shooter at best.

Will our new GM, Daryl Morey, be brave enough to trade Ben Simmons for Harden?? Word is my Sixers are on his list along with the Nets. If we get him and pair Harden with Embiid it would be one hell of a show at the Wells Fargo Center next season that's for sure :D

Doesn’t give a shit on D. Don’t forget that.

EDIT.

Nevermind. Didn’t realize Westbrook wants out too. ROFL

Let’s go, boys! Just about game time!

The Bulls offered Wendell Carter Jr and the 4 pick to the Warriors for 2, that seems like a bad trade for the bulls.

Klay Thompson is injured again. Couldn't put weight on it.

Wiseman feature was impressive

****

Bogdan to the Bucks not happening.

Wow. Why?

Guess Bogdan never actually agreed to go to the Bucks.

Apparently Bogdan has no desire to play in Milwaukee.

There are some places on twitter saying Klay blew his achillies.

Wut? Just now?

Klay Thompson's lower right leg injury took place while playing against other current and former NBA players in a gym in downtown Los Angeles, sources said. Source said he needed help walking out of the gym.

I bet Klay tore his ACL. Damn

Well it's his other leg..

Anthony Edwards is an easy guy to root for.

I'd be a bit concerned that he made ba comment about not watching basketball or getting into it. Then he called it a job and something he does because he's good at it.

Golden State still goes with the big man after the Klay news

It was the correct pick either way. Wiseman is a monster.

Obi Toppin seems like a sweetie

So the first overall pick says hes not into basketball another top 5 pick wasnt even a starter for his college team LMAO NBA is a joke

Cole Anthony ball hogged in at UNC gonna drop to #20.

So if the Knicks could put something together to come up for Haliburton to pair with Topping that actually might give the fans hope.

Love Haliburton but he has a slow release. Struggles to get his own shot. AMAZING passer. Toolsy. All around player. Needs to utilize his athleticism better to create his own shot.

Obi bawling his ass off. Hard not to like the kid. Multiple year college player. I always go for those guys, but they usually get passed up by the high potential guys.

Haliburton seems like a sweetie too and his dad seems cool as hell

Pels pick reminds me of ty lawson

****. Initial report is that GS thinks Klay tore his Achilles

Yep. Just saw that. That sucks ass.

Doke!!! Congrats big man!!

Trust the pRosas! Rubio back to Minnesota!

If there’s one thing the Timberwolves love it’s to keep crawling back to their exes.

(Although seriously... amazing trade on Minnesota’s part)

I guess. Pokusevski was one of my favorite players in the draft. Oh well, he'll be fun to watch in OKC as well.

I’ve had worse nights as a Hornets fan.

Nuggets got a steal with the pick for Hampton

We also got back the 25th and 28th overall picks

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">You might not like him, or his mouth, or how he did it, but this man got two sons drafted in the top 3 in the NBA draft. All while wearing BBB slides everywhere. <a href="https://t.co/Fk5Xj26QoR">pic.twitter.com/Fk5Xj26QoR</a></p>&mdash; Michael Lee (@MrMichaelLee) <a href="https://twitter.com/MrMichaelLee/status/1329264736656035840?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Cannot believe Udoka went 1st Rd and Dotson went undrafted. I would have thought it would have been the other way around. Doke did advance and improve soooo much this last year though. I don't know what happened but he automatically learned how to block shots and defend the perimeter. I imagine his conditioning had alot to do with that. But but but I thought Hudy was the god of strength and conditioning coaches? Once she left KU, his transformation started.

20 years ago, Azubuike is a top 5 pick.

Most definitely. I just didn't think NBA teams would covet someone who has no way to score outside of 5 ft from the basket. But they did. I guess they are thinking a Clint Capela type career.

I just think Dotson is underrated. He's like a 3 inches taller Frank Mason. And I love Frank.

Despite playing "at the rim" or just "under the rim" Dotson was super efficient at finishing. If he can get his 3point shot down, diamond in the rough.

Mason shot 47% from 3 as a senior. Dotson shot 31% from 3 last year.

That’s the key difference.

I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of nba guys feel that way

I think it's really only fair to compare them to their sophomore and freshman campaigns. Obviously Dotson would continue to grow as a player should he have stayed 4 years like Frank Mason.

Mason shot upper 30s from three until his senior year. Dotson was a 36% 3FG as a freshman so I think he's better than 31% that was his sophomore year. Dotson is also a better FT shooter than Frank and FT shooting is usually a key indicator of being able to progress as a shooter as you age. Dotson also gets more steals than Mason.

It's official Klay Thompson tore his achillies tendon.

Annnd Oubre gonna go to the Warriors so OKC can have a 99th 1st rd draft pick

Russillo had RJ Hampton on his podcast. Hampton went from High school to the Euro league so he probably would have benefited from workouts. He was saying they basically had no workouts. Just zoom interviews.

Just speculation on my part but I’m guessing measurables guys got drafted, ball players didn’t. Dotson impresses with a ball in his hands not on a measurable sheet.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: The Toronto <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Raptors?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Raptors</a> will open <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NBA?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NBA</a> season with <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Tampa?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Tampa</a> as their temporary homer. <a href="https://twitter.com/TB_Times?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TB_Times</a> story: <a href="https://t.co/kCsmaru1xz">https://t.co/kCsmaru1xz</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TampaBay?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TampaBay</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/WeTheNorth?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#WeTheNorth</a></p>&mdash; Eduardo A. Encina (@EddieInTheYard) <a href="https://twitter.com/EddieInTheYard/status/1329855706460205061?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 20, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Sorry, KC and Sprint Center.

Honestly, I like the deal for both teams. The Warriors suddenly needed a player just like Oubre. The Thunder need to continue to build future assets, even though this one is a late first or two seconds.

Heard on Dan Patrick Show by acuiring Oubre, that puts the Warriors into the luxury cap payment. So they owe him 14 million plus another 52 million for going over the cap. Kelly Oubre is essentially worth 66 million to the Warriors for this season.

I don't think these include the Minnesota and GS trades.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sam Presti is DEALING! <br><br>The Thunder currently have 17 1st round picks through 2026 �� <a href="https://t.co/dt8oGbOpzz">pic.twitter.com/dt8oGbOpzz</a></p>&mdash; NBA on ESPN (@ESPNNBA) <a href="https://twitter.com/ESPNNBA/status/1329198132312363009?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 18, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

It looks like the top end of the NBA will be much better than last. Nets, Clips, Lakers, Suns, Bucks, potentially Warriors all looking good. I'd love to see the Mavs add a bit more.

Presti is playing GM like 2K. I love it, though.

The Warriors look like trash. They aren’t winning anything with that team.

Bucks have rescinded Frank Masons (last years G-League MVP) qualifying offer so hes no longer a restricted FA and now an unrestricted free agent.

Giannis to the Lakers next year?


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Windhorst suspects AD is taking his time to decide what contract he chooses is because of Giannis. If Giannis doesn’t sign supermax he thinks AD will sign a 1+1, both him and Lebron will opt out next offseaon and recruit Giannis to the Lakers</p>&mdash; Ralph Mason (@Ralph_MasonJr) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ralph_MasonJr/status/1330950716433711105?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 23, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Let's hope.

Why?

Kawhi Leonard. Complete diva.



Kawhi Leonard and Paul George's treatment in Los Angeles reportedly rubbed some of their Clippers teammates the wrong way. According to a new report from The Athletic, the privileges granted to the Clippers' A-listers was enough to cause major chemistry issues in the locker room last season, which ended with an unceremonious early exit from the playoffs.

The report states that George and Leonard were allowed to have their own security detail, bodyguards and personal trainers. They also had veto power over the team's practice schedule and travel times and several team members reportedly think Leonard flexed that ability and cancelled several practices over the season.
Adding to that sense of separation, Leonard was allowed to live outside of Los Angeles. As has previously been reported, Leonard resides in San Diego, a full two hours from his home arena. In the report, teammates say that this exception made Leonard frequently late for team events and travel.

For all this, the Clippers didn't even get the perk of having the pair act as public faces of the franchise. They were allowed to postpone their post-game conferences nearly a full hour after the game ended for treatment and workouts. In practice, this left their teammates to explain the game and defend the decisions made on the court.
Perhaps the most damning accusation in the whole report is that Leonard and George were allowed to decide when and if they would play. Teammates believed the pair were allowed to decline playing time, sitting out entire games and even telling coaches in-game that they would not be subbed back in.
“How do you ever build a strong team with that shit going on?” a team source told The Athletic. “I thought from the beginning, ‘We’re doomed. Kawhi wants too much special treatment.’”
On the same day as The Athletic's report, a clip from an upcoming All the Smoke episode featuring Paul George was released, where he talked about what went wrong in Los Angeles last season. He accused former head coach Doc Rivers of scheming incorrectly for his game and not getting the most use out of players.

"Doc was trying to play me as a Ray Allen or a JJ Redick, all pin-downs. I can do it, but that ain't my game," he said. "I need some flow. I need some mixes of pick and rolls. I need some post-ups. Just different touches."
The full All the Smoke episode with George will be released on Dec. 10.

New Clippers head coach Tyronn Lue is looking to fix these issues, and will reportedly deny George and Leonard of these privileges going forward. However, he also plans to make it clear that Leonard is the premier player on the team. The Athletic reports that Lue will "establish a clearer internal hierarchy" and ask the pair to "forgo certain requests or standards to set a better example for their teammates."

https://www.complex.com/sports/2020/...emistry-issues

Westbrook traded to Washington for John Wall

Can Wall move? I honestly don't know.

There has been talk that he is finally healthy but feels like it has been forever since he’s played.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Breaking: Giannis Antetokounmpo says he is signing a contract extension with the Milwaukee Bucks. The two-time MVP will sign a five-year, $228.2 million supermax extension with the franchise, the largest deal in NBA history, sources tell <a href="https://twitter.com/TheAthleticNBA?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@TheAthleticNBA</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Stadium?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Stadium</a>.</p>&mdash; Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1338912082578853888?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 15, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

In this day and age that's nice to see.

That's awesome news.

Good. Maybe now we can stop the giannis to LA bullshit I seem to hear regularly.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">James Olive Harden. <a href="https://t.co/eT2gLZYy66">https://t.co/eT2gLZYy66</a></p>&mdash; Hawk (@Hawk) <a href="https://twitter.com/Hawk/status/1339028366658138114?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 16, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>









ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL

Someone just sign the GLeague MVP Frank Mason already. I guess they had to clear that salary up in Milwaukee to sign Giannis ��